Sunday, October 2, 2022

Man City 3-1 Arsenal – player ratings

Arsenal’s latest trip to the North-West was always going to be difficult.

Manchester City, unbeaten this season, have been playing with a confidence and swagger that has helped them open up a gap at the top of the table. In that respect, a 3-1 defeat doesn’t look so bad on paper.

On a tough afternoon, the most frustrating thing was our inability to keep hold of possession when facing the home side’s pressing tactics. Had we been a bit more composed, we might just have been able to make City pay for their profligacy.

Anyway, here’s how our players rated.

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No bonus for Ramsey pushing Edenson into the goal?

I found that very funny, especially as he celebrated afterwards.

not a great night otherwise. both Özil and Sanchez were extremely dissapointing 🙁


Wenger protects certain players in the sentiment that they will revert their decision to leave when the writing has already been on the wall for quite a while. In truth he should have at very least brought in Mahrez or Pastore for Alexis or Ozil. So regardless if those players want to leave,m we are already working in half of the replacement and adding competition. But we’ve seen it with the Ox. He should have forced him to put pen to paper several seasons past or promoted Gnabry. Instead we lost both. This sentimentality is one of the BIG problems… Read more »


Shocking reality. That would have been a goal in Fifa 2003 !


Ramsey had his luck. In the first half he toyed around with the ball lost it dangerously which would have resulted in us conceding if he were Xhaka and just as I was cursing him and Wenger for always playing him at all costs he assisted and I sat there confused what to make of him. He was poor at his job but so was everyone and he still assisted. But that sums up our team these days. We are now good enough to hope for a result against the big boys. Jus hope. Also Coq had a very very… Read more »


Agree — Coq did a lot to break up play. The above ratings are harsh on him. I felt Xhaka should have come off instead when Laca was brought on.

Billy Dyer

How about Özil (coming off)? Went missing… Again!!!
Or Iwobi that probably touched the ball 5/6 times for the entire game!
It’s not Xhaka’s fault that we have turned into a very static and lazy team. Xhaka’s long range passes are effective if there’s runners off the ball. Our players were literally hiding behind City players, whenever Xhaka, Coq & Co were looking for a pass forward


Sanchez didn’t have the best of games. But many accusing him of not trying is ridiculous. He was left isolated upfront with not much support. He led the press. He lost the ball a lot but he did as much as he could. Ozil getting a higher rating than Sanchez is ABSOLUTELY ridiculous. He did absolutely nothing good in 90 minutes. I honestly cannot remember one good moment Ozil had in the whole game and the only time I noticed he was on the pitch when he was trying to get himself sent off at the end. Coquelin’s distribution I… Read more »


Sanchez was not very good. He took the I don’t pass and try to run around everyone to new heights today I though.


I agree his end product was poor but can you really say he wasn’t trying or he was already mentally not at Arsenal? And can you really even compare him to Ozil (let alone rate him lower than him)? What did Ozil do of note in the whole game today?

Jimbo Jones

Neither did anything of note… Just had a look on whoscored to get an unemotional view and Alexis and Ozil both came out pretty badly and not within our top six players today. Alexis is so wasteful (lost possession 21 times, he lost the ball from an unforced bad touches 4 times, dispossessed 7 times and poor passing stats too.) Also Coquelin who for whatever bat shit crazy reason started in the middle of the back three and was our main conduit for bringing the ball out from the back has worse passing accuracy than anyone else on the pitch… Read more »

Up the Arsenal

Ramsey got dispossessed too many times and his lack of defensive awareness resulted in the first goal.

Jimbo Jones

Does anyone know what’s the deal with Rambo and Sanchez. They clearly don’t like eachother but its got to the point that it looks like they avoid passing to eachother if they can. Sanchez looks like he doesn’t like many of his team mates to be honest but there is a particular issue between him and Ramsey. is it just a sporting issue? Is it something else? A Wayne Bridge/John Terry situation where the welshman has been taking Alexis’ dogs for a walk on the sly? Sneaking them smackos perhaps?

Intrigues if anyone knows what its about?


could it be because Rambo is Arsenal through and through and can’t stand a money grabbing selfish double agent playing more for the opponent than for the team of whose badge he is wearing? Can’t blame him.


Ramsey isn’t half the player Alexis is

Jimbo Jones

No doubt about that when he’s on form and committed. Ramsey is not as bad, or as good for that matter, as some make out but not good for the team when they’re not working together. Wenger needs to address it surely.

Billy Dyer

Right there!!!
That tells the story of how unbiased you are!

Reality check

Rambo has flirted with Barca a few times before.. Don’t think he’ll look back once if he could catch the same train as Song..

Jay Salhi

We’ll soon see if Mr. I’d like to play in Spain is Arsenal through and through or not.


of course there is an issue. Sanchez is a world class player and Ramsey is a donkey. what you think there is an issue Sanchez waiting for a through ball from Ramsey?


That ‘donkey’ outclassed Sanchez by a country mile today. 1 for Sanchez. Fuck that guy. Totally done with him unless he grows the fuck up and realizes what it means to be part of a team. Primadonna did nothing but give the damn ball away today.

Up the Arsenal

Ramsey has cost us many chances yesterday with his slow decision making on the counter and his lack of technical ability. There was a chance when Alexis was onside, alone, unmarked and close to Ramsey, but the latter decided to pass the ball to another player wasting a perfect opportunity to draw City.

Dr Whale

I also noticed last season that Sanchez and Ozil hated passing to Walcott in box 18 whenever he has a chance of scoring. This to me reduced Ozil’s assist.


This because they both knew that Walcott will stuff it up, he is a really useless player whom Arsene has given too many chances to.

Billy Dyer

Ramsey was in fantastic position to score inside the box, whilst Sanchez had the ball and chose to take a shot himself from 35 yards.
Absolute total coq-up from Wenger for playing Sanchez instead of Lacazette.
Lessons aren’t learned from Ox situation. How much more deluded can Wenger get??????


Watch the game again, Özil actually had a decent game. Saw him pressing in the final third a fair few times, running the keeper down and even won the ball back in midfield a couple times. Can’t use him as a scapegoat today. On the other hand, you have Sanchez, Coq and a couple others repeatedly giving the ball away and not keeping possession of the ball at all. City are extremely good this season, but giving them the ball at every opportunity just makes it easier. Wenger needs to have a word with Alexis about hogging the ball, otherwise… Read more »


Tell me ONE good incisive pass made by Ozil ? He and Ramsey both stood watching as the ginger manc scored their opener ! He missplaced more than a few passes too ! As a team we were poor today not one player had a good game let alone a stand out one and too many looked at times as if they were auditioning for a keystone cops remake!


Ha ha I loved it as well parts of me was madly hoping the goal would stand when it happened.. but I guess the pendulum only swings one way for ridiculous referee decisions.


The Arsenal missed Danny.. against Chelky,it was all about Danny,Iwobi and Laca I think…

Tommy Gunner

Xhaka and Koscielny standing around like twats in our box with their hands in the air was infuriating and unforgivable.


Granted it was. But it was due to the offside. They should however have known better and played to the whistle.


Granit, Koscielny AND Bellerin all culpable. School boy error. Play to whistle. The problem is Bould and Arsene do not drum it into these players. They are not hard enough on them (nor in truth do we have sufficient back up for these players) Some say Jack can come in for Granit but I don’t think it covers for what the Swiss gives us even if the Swiss has some glaring faults. Nor is Jack sustainable enough to see through entire games. So we are deficient because we have not allowed ourselves sufficient cover to capability particularly in midfield where… Read more »

Up the Arsenal

What does the Swiss give us that Jack doesn’t? Honest question btw.


Less time on the treatment table


Bould was part of one of the most famous ‘arm in the air’ back fours we ever had ! He Adams et al would step forward and raise the arm, exactly as Xhaka did. On the wrong foot then so can’t quickly turn and relying on the Lino to get it right, and as usual in matches against City, the ref and Lino were conveniently looking the other way. Happens far too often.


My old coach always said play to the whistle but ignore you know you have no chance act like it’s a blatant offside sometimes it will turn a 50/50 in our favour

Dan Davies

Said this before and I’ll say it again…

Kos is not an elite CB. Very good but no more.

You’ll never when the title with him as your skipper and Number 1 CB.

Reality check

Yep.. if Kos had any leadership qualities or a bit of character about him, he would’ve been the best defender of his generation. But sadly he typifies Wenger’s post invincible teams.. soft and with questionable professional pride.. he’s a good competitor but not a warrior, competitors win matches but warriors win championships..


ARe you being serious? lol

Jimbo Jones

He’s technically a great centre back but lacks that special something that would make him a true legend. Would he get in the George Graham defence? I cant see it at all. Adams, Bould, Keown all better than him in my eyes and have the trophies to prove it. He will never hold the legendary status of some of our great centre-halves many who’ve captained the side and cannot be spoken about in the same breath as Adams (doubles, leagues, so many cups) McLintock (’71 double), O’Leary (2 titles, 2 cups), Sol Campbell (double, invincible.)

Jimbo Jones

Not saying I don’t like him but its a sign of the times that captain who we have capitulated under so often is seen as an elite centrehalf. I think you perhaps haven’t been supported The Arsenal long enough to know what teh benchmark is.

There’s an old chinese proverb a bloke in work told me about “the frog who lives in the well cannot imagine how wonderful the ocean is.”

jack jack jack

Difficult to compare him to one of the best backlines to play in English football. He’s been brilliant for us. And I don’t think you can criticise Arsene on this one – think about the level Koscielny was at when he first arrived compared to now. Lightyears apart.

Crash Fistfight

Wouldn’t a frog die in the ocean?

Jimbo Jones



The proverb, really “jing di zhi wa”, is more describing the view of the sky that a frog has – limited to what he can see that passes by the well, a little circle of light.

Due to that limited viewpoint, he is unaware of anything else that happens outside – this is his world.

So, accurate use of the proverb, even if the bloke in work probably explained it a little wrong!

Kostas Greek Gooner

You are more offside than Silva

Reality check

Two of the most important qualities of an Elite defender is communication and bottle, sadly Kos lacks both.. we are are talking about a guy who doesn’t even stands up for himself let alone his team. If Kos was an elite defender he’d been playing for one of the elites.. we are not elite. Funny thing is.. none of the big clubs have ever come in for him, he couldn’t even hold down a regular place in a shi*y french defence.. even Sakho was preffered over him.. he’s ours and that’s why we believe he’s special but ain’t.. he’s decent,… Read more »

Jimbo Jones

We’ve got to realise his communication is lacking so much so that he is not even made our official club captain by Wenger. Not being derogatory but its just simple facts.

Reality check

Jimbo Jones
Exactly, you’ll never see him organising the defensive lines or rallying the troops when needed. He’s just too nice on this pitch to be an elite defender, just doesn’t have that nasty competitive ego that champs have..


His fitness is the problem currently imo. He has reached that stage where it becomes near impossible for him to complete 90 min continuously for a stretch of games without the fear of injury. Your assumption is a bit too extreme but there is no doubt Kos is on the decline and he is no longer as good as he was 1-2 seasons ago. As a skipper, i don’t have a problem with him. He isn’t vocal by any means but he has good organisation and I think the shouting part is done pretty well by Nacho and Xhaka to… Read more »

Mesut O\'Neill

Ozil doesn’t need to worry about not receiving any offers come January as he has options career wise.

He would make a fantastic magician, he can make himself disappear for 90 minutes.

Ozil is a cancer that needs to leave the club. The snarling disdain he showed towards one of our defenders after he fucked up & someone had the cheek to tell him.

He is an asshole that has way too much leeway from fans who seem to think he is the messiah. Arshavin 2.0


Totally, totally agree. He has been instrumental in the demolition of Ludogorets and Everton. What a star !! Big games show he has nothing to offer mentally. Get rid if we can find anybody stupid enough to make an offer. Two years too late. There is an argument that buying a player if his type was the start of a terminal decline for the Club. I have a simple edict these days, if we are now able to buy somebody off a top club, what is wrong with them ?

Billy Dyer

And Sanchez

Petit\'s Handbag

“Seemed to make a point of not passing to Alexis who looked very fucked off with the Welshman as a result.” Yet this player, who refuses to pass to a better placed team mate gets a higher rating than most. Ramsey was very poor today, lost it time and time again himself. Maybe some teammates should think before passing to him.


Utterly laughable….. Ramsey the highest mark for outfield starters?!? Lemme be clear this is not a witchhunt. Ramsey is perfect for certain games… Not against high pressing teams who exploit the space you’ve just vacated. Not against midfielders who’ll exploit your dilly dallying on the ball. An assist shouldn’t masks his obvious mistakes. Watch him against the Spurs. Yes he wasn’t the only one. Sanchez was atrocious, and Ozil was very annoying as well. But this blind spot for Ramsey is just ridiculous!


i thought ramsey was average at best today, but other than lacazette (7), who would you rate higher?


It’s not the point. He was just as bad as the rest. The point is, you cannot play TWO midfielders who cannot give you and outlet because neither can relieve pressure by carrying the ball. Ramsey leaves Xhaka overexposed


To be fair, Xhaka leaves Xhaka overexposed too. He’s not exactly a model of positional discipline himself, is he? Truth is we don’t have two DMs to play that formation effectively if we’re put under pressure in the middle. As for Ramsey, maybe his rating is too high but I can’t think of an outfield starter that had a better game either


This completely misses the point I’m making. Of course you re right about Xhaka, no doubt about it. But it’s not about who played better than Ramsey, it’s about the strengths and weaknesses of his game against high energy, high pressing teams. He doesn’t have the close control nor the quick precise passing to get him out of trouble and his insistence on bombing forward leaves us over exposed in the middle of the park. against deeper lying teams and lower table teams, this positional freedom he enjoys is brilliant. He is just not technically good enough against the very… Read more »

Crash Fistfight

Your point was that Ramsey shouldn’t have received a higher rating than any of the other outfield players. The responses were that the posters thought he was better than any of the other outfield players.

Not sure how that has got anything to do with your comments about what types of teams Ramsey is good or bad against. Just seems like you have a pre-conceived idea that Ramsey should be bad against Man City, so therefore his personal rating should be lower, which makes no sense. That is rating the manager’s decision.


Read the post again, it may help you grasp my point. I said he was just as bad as the others and didn’t deserve to be the highest rated outfield player! I then went on to elucidate why so, for your benefit, i’ll elaborate again so it may seep in to your entrenched biases. It’s not whether people play better or worse than Ramsey. For example, Monreal is usually very steady and dependable, but he may have the odd bad game. Ramsey does the same thing OVER AND OVER AGAIN, so the propensity for him to play a good game… Read more »


YES !! At last somebody who understands !! Xhaka is carrying the can for Ramsey’s indiscipline week after week. He is forced into long hopeful passes because he has nobody available to give the ball to other than backwards. He should be called Granit Colonel Custer Xhaka. He is not playing well now because his confidence is shot to pieces. Wenger may have ruined a really good player by his insistence on Ramsey in that position, when he should be viewed as the Ozil alternative, if viewed at all, that is.

Stringer Bell

It is subjective but I agree it’s embarrassing to give Ramsey highest mark for starting players. His lack of technical ability and decision making is terrible. A few breaks we had where he just doesn’t do what game demands.

jack jack jack

He didn’t have a great game but he’s criminally underrated by Arsenal fans. If you take him out of that team we get absolutely demolished.


Ramsey can fuck right off for all I care and can take half the team with him.


The spu*s ?? Down vote for that alone


Some people just lack basic personal hygiene….


Ramsey can do no wrong!! it wss his usual nothing performance though. still he will be first name on the sheet next week. please no comments “he won us 2 FA cups”

VfB Talheim

Probably u a Xhaka fan …. Ramsey > Jack > Coq >Elneny> Willock >>>>>..and to miles behind is Xhaka !!!! Wenger take your Xhaka Sanchez and Özil and look elsewhere for a new opportunity …

Glen Helders Left Foot

Xhaka and Ramsey really are a horrendous combination I midfield ,Jack really should start now….think city will think twice about Sanchez now and not many top teams will be after ozil, we really need change so badly it’s fucking depressing

Matt P

Ozil once again does not step up against the big boys. He has played well in about 25% of games in the last 18 months. I am just waiting now for the usual bagging now from the Ozil lovers…
Having said that, collectively we aren’t good enough.


Xhaka is just the type of player AFC seems to be able to get. No real big player or player with real potential wants to join us anymore. Why should they??


Apart from lacazette


Yes, I agree. I like Lacazette. In a better team he could be a world class player

Billy Dyer

And Wenger sits him on the bench v Liverpool & City

Billy Dyer

City won’t think twice about buying Sanchez.
Pep ain’t Wenger! He wasn’t scared to sit on the bench
Wenger insanely, starts against Man City, the very player we are about to sell to them in 2 months time…
It’s driving my nuts, trying to find a sensible reason to why Wenger keeps repeating the same mistakes.
I hope he drops Sanchez on the bench v [email protected]


cant help but notice that Ramsey’s got the biggest rating variance with user..just sayin

is it possible that Cech goes thru his entire Arsenal career without saving a penalty? does anyone have any idea what’s his pk record with Chelski?


Blogs can’t see Ramsey’s bad game when he’s all over his nutz. Get off his balls blogs!!!


It’s not blogs, it’s the News Hound who did the ratings, so give him a break and don’t get upset about it.


Who had a good game though? Alexis started way too many counter attacks for City with lose passes from left. Ozil was absent. Iwobi did not look comfortable position-wise. Granit was ball watching instead should have played to whistle. Kolasinac let Sterling in on a number of ocassions including for their penalty. Koscielny also guilty of ball watching instead of playing to whistle. Monreal struggled and conceded the penalty when he should have got close but entrusted his keeper. Cech could have done better for the De Bruyne effort. In that context Coquelin and Ramsey did OK with their endeavor… Read more »

jack jack jack

Ramsey isn’t technical or creative enough to play in the no 10 role. He’s a classic box-to-box midfielder – what he needs is the protection to set him free, in the same way that Pogba is provided that by Matic.

Alexis didn’t have a great game but I personally thought he worked his hole off and did as well as he could considering the circumstances – especially in the first half when he was almost completely isolated up front.

Billy Dyer

Are you Michael McIntyre in disguise?
Made laugh, your second paragraph about Alexis

Coquelin in the new Beckenbauer

I actually think koscielny deserved a higher rating, the amount of times he was left 2 on 1 and he was positioned perfectly to cut out or force a bad pass (sterling first half). Scoreline would have been a lot worse without him.

Stringer Bell

Watching Fàbregas against united, outstanding. To think we didn’t bring him back and field Ramsey and xhaka, the worse midfield in top half of premiership without a shadow of doubt.


Sadly, even with Cesc, we would have lost today.

Agree though, we should have brought him home.


He didn’t want to come back! Annoyingly matches like today show why. He does love Arsene but he just doesn’t believe in him anymore.


Is that the daily mail columnist?


He did but arsene said we have santi jack and Ramsey so no room for him….


This was my understanding of the situation also.


Cesc also wanted the sort of money that only the Mancs or Chavs can afford to pay. It’s all spin, he behaved like a cunt to go to Barca and when they didn’t want him anymore he came up with this sob story of how we wouldn’t give him a new contract. He knew where the money was all the time.


He has openly said he wanted to come back. We didn’t offer him a contract so he went to Chelski


We used to play like City do now. How times have changed.

Jimbo Jones

We sound like a bunch of mid table fans these days complaining about big club bias and if only the linesman had flagged we could have nicked a point. Remember when we were a big club, behaved like a big club, did business like a big club and got results like a big club. The manager and Board talk about our values but i never hear them explicitly state what they are. Just that we have them. Well perhaps they should start with ‘competing’ and ‘winning’ but I suspect they get confused and just think value is what they can… Read more »

Billy Dyer

LOL to “used to”


That hug he gave Guardiola. ?? We should have gotten a point on the way we played. The referee was atrocious, not just on the penalty and offside, but also on the sheer volume of yellows he gave to the Arsenal side. I believe we had 5-6 vs 1 to City. Even so, there weren’t too many positives from the match which is a worry for the Spurs match. Fun interlull to look forward to…? As an aside, De Bruyne is bloody amazing. Some of his close control was world class and if we are going to sell Sanchez, he’s… Read more »


You think we were good enough to deserve a point away against by far the best team in the league but don’t think that’s a positive?


de bruyne had some impressive cazorla-esque control today. he’s certainly at the top of his game this season.

Fireman Sam

De Bruyne is one of the best players in the world and I’d love to have him at Arsenal but there’s no way they’d swap him in a Sanchez deal

Jimbo Jones

That’s a statement of the bloody obvious 😉

NaiBoi Gunner.

Man when we want to we can be bad. Arsenal as a a club is in need of new ideas. From top to bottom.

NaiBoi Gunner.

And for some reason, not as pissed of about this loss as I was in previous seasons..infact, been getting less and less pissed off about these kinds of losses for a while now. Wow, is this how fans of smaller clubs feel?

Matt P

Yeah I am not shitty about this result. Totally expected, there is a huge gulf in class in the squads.


For years now, Wenger has needed a Carlos Quieroz type to complement his acumen in market.

This was since Pat Rice days.

Bould can’t even seem to tackle the defensive side concentration.


Thought u cudda commented on the brilliant Jack cameo…… Different class.

However, the reality is, that s

Fireman Sam

Jack was great when he came on. As he has been in general recently. On this sesson’s form I’d prefer to have Jack rather than Özil any day.


Don’t get so easily fooled.

yes Jack looked decent but his issue is sustainability.

In truth we have poor balance in midfield that has not been addressed since Santi has gone injured.

Jiminy Jim

I’m more aggrieved I didn’t put money on the game as I predicted 3-1 and the order of the goals. We’re a good side but not at City’s level and I felt the most we could do would be to scrape a draw. We don’t have the athletics qualities in midfield to press and scrap. I won’t miss Sanchez when he goes. He’d done brilliant things for us but he’ll always take 7 touches when 1 will do. He’s what at school we called a hogger. The guy no one wants to pass to because he hogs the ball every… Read more »

Titans Arse

I thought Ramsey was one of the few who really wanted to make something happen. Unfortunately I’m really looking forward to Ozil and Sanchez going now. I feel like both sides just need to move on. There is a niggling feeling that things are passed to Sanchez at the detriment to the rest of the team and gameplay. I feel like he is holding us back a bit now. Please don’t get me wrong I still love him and think that he is a fantastic player. Just feel like maybe we are holding each other back. It’s a shame. Blogs… Read more »


However the reality is that some insignificant cunt like paddy McNair will fuck him over soon.
That, my friends, is the reality of this Bollox of a league.


Our midfield is sh*t and it was a huge mistake to start Alexis up top. Their defence is their weakness and we started with 0 strikers on the pitch.. Also, how many more bad away matches does Xhaka have to play to get dropped? We lack energy, technicality and pace in midfield. It was kind of frustrating to see how well Wilshere while on the ball dealt with their pressing when he came on. We haven’t seen that since Cazorla got injured, and we have been poor since as everyone just presses our CB/Xhaka until they miss a pass. The… Read more »


Bonus rating:
Ederson’s neck tattoo: Sterling’s sideburns/10

Fireman Sam

Sterling is an overrated numpty. If he’d been a better footballer we would have shipped another couple of goals today.

Godfrey Twatsloch

Yes but Wozfe’s comments were on his sideburns. And they aren’t all that either.


Xhaka lowkey wasn’t that bad. Ramsey did well but messed up alot of moves. Ozil started off well but faded after the goal. We should’ve gone with a real 4-3-3 with Coquelin anchoring. Iwobi wasn’t bad as well. Alexis was the worst out of the front 4.
I’m not too surprised/disappointed with this result. We all saw it coming. Spurs will come in and beat us too.
Wilshere needs to start the next game. PLAY A 4-3-3.


Arteta at City makes me sad. He is good enough for Pep so he must be good enough for us. We need better coaches


Mikel Arteta is the only player that’s upset me when he went to city. I can understand why he went, and it makes me sad. If Sanchez goes to city then Mikel Arteta will still be the only one who upsets me that he went there.


Hope he comes back soon. Also never ‘carried on’ when citeh scored. Absolute class.


Doubt he would come back while Wenger’s in charge, why would you?

Adams Jnr

I kind of like it – hope he learns as much as possible from Guadiola and then comes back to Arsenal as our manager


I thought Coquelin did OK. Strange selection and set up by Wenger. Far better IMO to keep Granit in the middle and have Le Coq and Iwobi on either side tracking runners. Alexis put in his usual shift but seem a ridiculous task to put him up top on his own. Gave the ball back to City with poor cut backs or corner from the left side at least 4 times. Maybe he’s already seeing sky blue. Ozil was a waste of space but remains protected for inexplicable reason. Iwobi tried but was given IMO poor directive and the whole… Read more »


I agree with just about everything you said, I watch on a poor stream but we were lucky that the score was not worse. Sanchez has given up, there is no other way to read his game, Ozil not much better, more frustrated than anything else. The whole team did not seem to know the game plan if there was one. Cech in goal is not the same guy 5 years ago, still a great goalie but we have to start to think of the future. Bellerin is not the same since his injury but do we have someone better,… Read more »


This was better than a lot of our other big games the past few years even if the result was the same. We’re a cup team at this point – not good enough on the whole but can win one off games.


Arsenal fan here until the end…..
However, I’m NOT surprised or shocked by any means we lost to City.


We really miss a ball control midfielder. I dream of a healthy santi and wilshere in the center of the park. I know. That will never happen. Same old story. We just don’t have enough great players. And our best, Sanchez, just wants to leave. We’ve staeted ozil, Sanchez and lacca in only two matches??? We are a 5th or 6th place team that belongs in the Europa league. For the past 10 years we’ve exited in the final 16 in champs league and finished top 4. We’re not even good enough to do that. Those days are over unless… Read more »


We have missed Santi for 3 seasons now. Wenger has neglected the issue only partially replacing his capability with Granit’s long range distribution but the ball control skills have been missing to help keep the ball for us. I think it isn’t an issue of Granit or Jack but more one of Jack and Granit as a workable partnership but that entials Jack can sustain for long duration which remains a big IF. Which is why another player coming in like Pastore (who would have also been able to push Ozil for that matter Ramsey) could have been a master… Read more »


You could argue arsenal has a better squad than city. It’s just this who stupid mentality and tactic rubbish going on


10/10 : when Xhaka hit Ramsey with the ball coz he was being selfish and indisciplined


Have watched City a lot this season, and regretfully for us they were beatable today. Sterling did his best to keep us in the match in the first half. But, frankly, the starting lineup today was beyond curious.
And what exactly does Xhaka do to continue to claim a starting spot?


I didn’t think Ramsey was too bad, but I think Wenger should have started with Jack and Laca in place of Xhaka and Iwobi but Jack had just played in Europa. Once Jack came on, he was able to wriggle free from under pressure with his skill. Coq was supposed to provide the defensive cover for ramsey bombing forward but it didn’t work. We were unlucky to concede twice but we also have to understand that we get unlucky too many times bcoz we find ourselves in such situations too many times – one on ones and deep within the… Read more »


A top level player is consistently good, reliable. Ramsey far from it, making him an average player with stints of brilliance, but not one you can count on.
We could have got a point if it wasn’t for the idiot refs. I might stop watching football until they start using video technology properly. It’s beyond ridiculous at this point. Like insisting on using a typewriter when the rest of the world uses email


Seems like it’s no Premier League football for you then.


Imagine all the things I’ll be able to do in my life. Stress free. Anger free.

Jean Ralphio

Thought Cech had a decent game. Can’t expect them to save all. We were poor going forward. We are lacking balance. This team is screaming out for a Veratti.


yeah it’s a bit weird to mock Cech for failing to save a well-struck penalty that went in off the post


For god sake when is someone at Arsenal going to grow a pair of bollocks and bring an end to this shambles? I keep asking what is Wenger is judged upon because its not team performances and winning games. Every single big game that we need to get a result or performance from you can be guaranteed that he and his spineless bunch of foreign mercenary garbage will fuck up. Every single game. And yet… The bastard is still in a job when so many are losing theirs. Arsenal are in a real bad shape when you get people joking… Read more »


We are not that shit.

We are around where Liverpool, Chelski, Spurs and maybe United are (barely)

We are just not where City are at the moment.


Not true. Spurs have been consistently better than is for 3 seasons. Chelsea won the league last year. Don’t see how you can say that


We’re pretty much level with the rest of them par city.


Think xhaka has to do more. Was decent at the end of last season but these days he doesnt really provide much to the team. Also thought we looked better with 4 at the back.


City are off and running. Our invincibles record may truly be at risk. Shockingly, despite the loss, we are still within 4 points of United level with Liverpool. So we are in the mix for a top 4 finish but we do not exhibit the mental consistency to finish as title winners yet again. I think our change of system today may not have helped some of the players. The relationship between Kolasinac and Alexis was effectively negated. Iwobi looked lost as to what he is suppose to do. Ramsey’s most effective role destroying through the middle was also not… Read more »

Paul Smith

I thought Iwobi did alright. He did his defensive work and wasn’t as bad in the ball as most were today. Preparation for the game was again poor. What was the plan first half? Sit deep? Press? We did a bit of both and just made it easy for them. Either press or sit deep but you have to commit to one of them. Poor…and for the love of my sanity please start Lacazette!! He’s a natural finisher…play him!!


No mention of our genius manager leaving our best striker on the bench in a big match AGAIN? Yeah, let’s keep supporting this helpless manager and wish for another contract extension, come on…

Olivje Ziru

I think those ratings are a little harsh. 1) Cech was amazing today. He kept us in the game with two close finish saves. He should get credit more often. 2)Our back 5 did okay. Bellerin looked lively today, Coq made some good tackles and interceptions (I think we shouldn’t sub him – would steal some balls when City were on counter attack). 3)Xhaka made some good long passes and played better than previous games imo. Also he was the one who always pressed high the opposition. 4)Ramsey impressed me with his disciplined today and Ozil was great defensively for… Read more »

Jiminy Jim

I’m more aggrieved I didn’t put money on the game as I predicted 3-1 and the order of the goals. We’re a good side but not at City’s level and I felt the most we could do would be to scrape a draw. We don’t have the athletics qualities in midfield to press and scrap. I won’t miss Sanchez when he goes. He’d done brilliant things for us but he’ll always take 7 touches when 1 will do. He’s what at school we called a hogger. The guy no one wants to pass to because he hogs the ball every… Read more »


What’s even the point talking about players when we have been doing the same thing for 10 years now. He’s helpless, devoid of ideas and refuses to any help or change. The players come and go, we’re still the same. Nothing about today was surprising. And it’s only going to get worse before it gets better.


Lacazette going the same way as Lucas Perez, the manager doesn’t play him. Arsene does it with Oli, even when the game is suited to him he only brings him on for ten or fifteen minutes. He used to do it with Rosicky, and Bergkamp before that. Arsene takes against players. What sort of team selection was this again? Our players have to battle the opposition, the referees and their own manager, it’s lunacy.

Chris Siple

Sometimes the other guys are just better than our guys. Today was an example. We played some good football out there and made a real game out of it. What bugs me is that we’ll probably play Bournemouth or Newcastle and play like crap and drop points. I’d rather we looked terrible against the likes of City and played like this against the teams below us. I thought Kos had a very good game. Sead can’t be 100% or he’d have been more mobile. Ramsey was told to get up high; unfortunately, he’s not a top finisher, because he gets… Read more »


Coquelin “upped his game from midweek” but he still can’t pass.


Here’s the deal…if you have any notion of beating the big spenders you have to do one of two things. Either spend as much as them or outsmart them with thrifty player signings and out coach them and sadly we do neither. Our showing today is sadly probably the best we had to give.


Starting with 5 at the back and four in midfield with one up front – it was obvious we were going to lose. City’s only flaw is their defense and I think Wenger missed an opportunity to exploit that with Sanchez, Ozil and Laccazette upfront. I would’ve liked to see Jack and Ramsey behind them with the Coq protecting the midfield and defense. Shame Wenger lost his balls.


Bonus rating: 0/10 for Wenger’s tactical inflexibility and baffling player selection. We were gassed when we thought we’re were going with 3 in midfield, like the last time we beat City at the Etihad. Give the midfield the reinforcement it desperately needs, and put City under pressure in the middle of the park. But nope! Instead he plays Coquelin at CB and persists with a formation which frankly has been found out. He’s been poor all season, and that didn’t change today, but I felt a bit sorry for him – he’s been done by the manager. And the less… Read more »

Another Sam

little point in playing Ozil when he doesn’t play Lacazette (or anyone up front) and Sanchez is playing so poorly.
I’d give them all 4, except maybe a 5 for Cech and Monreal. They look as if they can’t be bothered, the lot of them. All terribly stale. Bizarre choosing Coquelin at CB. I bet it surprised Pep for about 5 seconds.


We need danny boy n mustafi back against spurs……wilshere should be ahead of ozil….wats the point of keep playing players whose heart are no longer red n white…lets bench alexis n ozil. Lets built a team of players who want to play for us…..


Against spurs…cech
Musta kozzer nachoman
Bella coq rambo kolas
Jack laca welbeck


Urgh…I dread the thought. At current form, we will get beat by them too and there will be all these odious Spurds going on about minding the gap.


I still haven’t been able to watch anything of the game, and yet I keep asking myself 3 questions
1. Why Coquelin?
2. Why didn’t Lacazette start?
3. Given questions 1 and 2, is ‘Arsenal’ post-modern experiential art ironically mocking the nature of the human struggle?


Coquelin didn’t do too bad. You should be asking yourself why Ozil.


For the fifteen millionth time: Coquelin can’t pass under pressure to save his life; he made some great tackles but should never have been put in central defense.


Cech should of saved that Debruyne shot. Ramsey scores on the halftime and different game. But it wasnt and Arsenal really didnt deserve a point even. The difference for me… Mancity make 3 passes and they then look to play an attacking move, Arsenal held ball too long and slowed it down to much.
This teams players are decent but as a unit they are underprerforming to much.

Olivije Zirud

How on Earth he should have saved that? The ball went between the Koscielny’s legs so firstly he didn’t see it and secondly it was a superb finish.


He got a weak hand on it mate. A smidgrn of strwngth in his floppy wrist and that ball deflects wide. He did well enough to get down in first place but his hand let him down. He should of done better. It was a top shot. And he did all the hard work to get down and get a hand on it. Cech for me has been showing his age a bit this season… reflexes and movement just a smidgen off. Still top keeper. But he saves that shot 2 years ago .


The reasons why Özil never performs against big teams are actually quite simple. As one of the best players in this team, he’s always tightly marked. He’s not a player who can dibble his way out of trouble, and when he has less time to be creative, he needs movement, clear positioning (both comes down to tactics), and others’ perfect first touches from less perfect passes. We have none of those luxuries against big teams, and since Özil can’t defend, his flaws become very evident. Now when Sanchez doesn’t perform that’s another matter. We’ve seen how good he can be… Read more »


I don’t remember Ozil performing against anyone.
For some reason the auto spell on my computer keeps changing Ozil into Oil
I can think of a better and more fitting word…


Wenger – Every season the refereeing gets worse.
No it does not.
Every season Arsenal gets worse largely as a result of poor management.
Don’t believe me?
Look at the table – fighting for sixth place…


Do you think finishing 6th or lower will get Wenger out? Methinks not! You could swap the entire City squad for ours & Wenger would ruin them & make them losers.


Some very average players in our team.Will never win the league with them.

Diego someone

Expected result and could have been much worse. Referee was shit but so was our team selection. Jack should have started so should have lacazette. How can such a once great team be so tactically inept! I’m so sick of this.

Dr Whale

I thought arsenal are shit without Alexis and Ozil. Contrary to what Santi on this forum always say about Alexis unpredictability, I think he is the most predictable player in Arsenal. Team has figured out how he play, who he like to pass to, his ” me first ” attitude and so easily mark him or frustrate him to play nonsense. Ozil to me will suit our formation in second half when the Grade A opposing team started tiring out. These days, he seems to be a liability starting big matches. I also have the feeling that Mohammed E, Wilshere… Read more »

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