Wenger calls for perspective despite Arsenal’s poor 2018 form

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Arsene Wenger has called for more perspective around Arsenal’s recent results, in particular the Carabao Cup final last Sunday and the defeat to Östersunds FK in the Europa League the previous Thursday.

The losses, the 5th and 6th of 2018 so far, have increased the pressure on the Arsenal manager, but when quizzed about them at his press conference on Wednesday, he grew somewhat defensive.

Having dealt with a string of questions about his future, the performance of the team was another bone of contention with him, and he suggested the results needed to be looked at in a wider context.

On the 3-0 loss to City at Wembley, he said, “I felt it was a very tight game until the 2-0. When you look at the end of the game, Man City had three shots on target and we had two.

“They dominate the league at the moment and there is a reason. You have to accept that. I am quite amazed how people analyse that.

“It looks like we have lost against bottom of the league in division five. We have lost against a team that dominates English football at the moment. Yes we are unhappy, yes we are disappointed, yes we are not happy with our performance.

“But we have to take perspective and I think that means sitting back a little bit, analysing it well with a distance and then coming in and committing for the next game.

“I think we lack a little bit of perspective in our analysis.”

While on the defeat to a Swedish side who have yet to even start their league season, he continued, “Again, there is no perspective. We won 3-0 in the first game, what you want in the two legs is to win the game and I accept we had a big disappointment on Sunday.

“But you cannot come out with the game against Östersund because we qualified.”

Some might argue that perspective means you look at a team that has seriously struggled most of the season, and won just four of its last thirteen games and take some conclusions from that.

This just sounds like excuse making.

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Stringer+Bell
Stringer+Bell

Nottingham forest, ostenwhatevetyournamewas, you mean teams like them Arsene

Mein Bergkampf

Please, a bit of perspective. We won the FA cup last season so what’s wrong with crashing out round 3 this season? That’s how sport works. Sometimes you try hard and win things and other times you don’t bother, safe in the knowledge that you did ok a few years ago. Anyway, Wenger had a bunch of job offers back in 2005 so give him a break. God, this man. Borderline autistic when it comes to understanding other people’s emotions.

SharpasFc
SharpasFc

My husband is autistic and he wouldn’t come out with crap like this…I think Wenger has some kind of disassociation disorder personally. I feel sad that his legacy will just be a load of soundbites of him moaning about refs decisions which is strange anyway as he never sees any incidents.

IamaGoober

Perspective has nothing to do with why I left before the final whistle on Sunday…

I know thousands of other Arsenal fans left as well. But speaking for myself here, the reason why I left early on Sunday goes a bit deeper then just apathetic towards the current state of affairs at Arsenal, compounded by City absolutely creaming us on the day.

But for me, it kind of felt more like us having our own ‘hypothetical self,’ rubbed back in our own faces, if that makes sense?

Just to explain my thoughts a little; so City were bought by Sheikh Mansour in 2008, give or take at the same sort of time that Stan Kroenke bought shares in Arsenal, and in that time frame till now; City have won 3 Premier League titles (including when they win it this year); they’ve won the FA Cup once; they’ve won the League Cup 3 times; they’ve blown United out of the water since Ferguson left; and they are on the verge of becoming a genuine European power house if they keep on performing like they have been in the Champions League, and (sadly) I don’t put it past them adding that trophy to their collection in the not too distant future…

What they have achieved since 2008 is what we should’ve done, if our board had any shred of genuine ambition about them.

So when David Silva completely roasted Chambers and lashed home their third goal of the afternoon, as I just saw their fans erupt into celebration, I just found myself stood there thinking ‘That should be us.’

And people use the whole ‘well they have money etc..’ and to a degree they are correct, but at the same time, we’ve had money as well. We might not of had the exact same financial clout as being backed by the Qataris. But we have definitely had the capabilities to of competed a lot more than we actually have done. Yet the decision was made to sit on our hands and do nothing other than rinse the match day going fans dry, with nothing but false promises. Which they knew were never ever going to happen.

So City to me feel like they are living out the ideologies that we were promised by the hierarchy at Arsenal back when we moved from Highbury to the Emirates.

When in reality we are so far removed from being that club now, that it honestly hit home so hard, that we are never ever going to be back at that level again under the current status quo.

And that’s what was most painful for me. And that’s why I left the stadium.

A Different George
A Different George

It’s Abu Dhabi, not Qatar, for City. Qatar is PSG.

IamaGoober

@A Different George

Ah yes – right you are. My apologies.

Midgunner
Midgunner

I can’t really disagree with much of this. I felt pretty much the same on Sunday.

But I do think you’re underestimating the impact of May City’s bazillions.

“We might not of had the exact same financial clout as being backed by the Qataris.”

We are absolutely nowhere near them in terms of financial spending power. Ok we’ve bought two expensive signings recently but we’ve had to sell about six players to do it.

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

What’s the justification for Spurs being better than us whilst spending so much less?

Midgunner
Midgunner

Could be they have a better manager than we do and a world class striker.

Even so, they’ve still won fuck all.

IamaGoober
IamaGoober

Unfortunately I’m not @Midgunner

This is the thing that’s really bothered me about this current Arsenal regime. They’ve managed to convince the fan base we are broke. When we aren’t infact the complete opposite.

People often forget we have two billionaires on the board at Arsenal. Usmanov is the most affluent billionaire outside of the Arabs that own City. Then in second place its Abramovich at Chelsea. Then in third place it’s Kroenke. And we haven’t event taken Arsenal’s finances into consideration at this stage.

All Arsenal have done, is portrayed that we’re living this self sustaining business model as the correct way to run a football club. Where in reality that’s just the excuse being peddled to hide the fact that Kroenke is just using our club as a cash reserve, whilst he builds his business portfolio stateside.

Wenger and the board have completely ignored Usmanov even though he attempted on countless occasions to offer his financial muscle to buy players. He even offered to buy out the stadiums debt. But still the board and Arsene said no.

Whilst all that bullshit was going on. We reared a crop of extremely young talented players and willingly sold them off, often to rivals just to further line our bank account with Mr Kroenkes pocket being our number one interest, not football.

We’ve slept on our prestige and Wengers own accomplishments for what? For absolutely nothing other than greed. In the meantime we’ve allowed a complete shit show club, City, to rise out of nowhere to take our place as the new soon to be super club to blow United away. When that should’ve been us.

SG_Gooner
SG_Gooner

well said dude. well said.

i remembered usmanov mentioning that he wanted to raise a rights issue so that shareholders (him and stan) can actually contribute money into the club, but there was no response

what stan did was to make the previous custodian shareholders very rich, david dein, nina bracewell, hillwood etc…and meanwhile, this “owner” had actually contributed $0.00 into the club

caligunner
caligunner

How do you run a club without going into debt?

There is nothing wrong with self sustaining model for a club or business. Its unfortunate that in the PL there are clubs that don’t care about the debt or have inflated commercial deals to mask the debt.

I’m not sure about Usmanov offering what he offered but did he offer that without any strings?

IamaGoober
IamaGoober

That’s the point. It’s a sham. Because we aren’t a self sustaining club. The emphasis is on putting money into the bank, not back into the squad. We don’t actually spend any of the money we have. It just sits there accumulating interest for Kroenke. That’s why we are where we are. We never ever invest in the team properly, we just sell our players and then replace them. We never actually use our own finances to build a proper team. It’s all total nonsense.

Take this year as a prime example, our finances are still in the green, even though we’ve purchased Aubameyang and Lacazette.

The whole time while this is going on you’ve got Wenger sat there saying we don’t have the finances to sign Jonny Evans. When we have two billionaires shareholders; one of them offering to help but he’s frozen out; the other one saying nothing whilst he literally takes money out of the club without putting anything back in, It’s fucking ludicrous.

And to answer your question the only thing Usmanov ever wanted in return for his investment was an actual seat on the board.

Nick

We did NOT have to sell anyone to bring players in apart from making room in the squad ! Have you not.seen the profits we’ve made ? Up on last year despite no CL football ! Most if not all businesses run at an operating loss at some point because they invest or shall we say speculate to accumulate ! We have cash reserves that most clubs would die for but we are too shortsighted to take a risk of USING those reserves to help us become a top club again which in turn would generate income far and above of what we would spend ! Providing we don’t go absolutely bonkers with it there is no chance we’d do a Leeds etc our circumstances are vastly different! We follow Kronkes business lead which has never been one interested in the fortunes of its sporting acquisitions apart from what income they generate for said Kronkes!

John C
John C

Wenger has made a virtue over the last 10 years of not investing in the team.

Superanderslimpar
Superanderslimpar

Errr, not exactly paupers are we

John C
John C

If you learn to read thats not what i said, Wenger has chosen not to spend despite having money because he hasn’t wanted to amongst other things “Kill Denilson”

Superfrog
Superfrog

I share your pain …we all would have liked Arsenal to win the trophy … however perspective also demands that we acknowledge facts :

4 teams in the PL at least spend more on players wages and transfers as we do— biggest factors in the results a team gets

In Europe Arsenal are probably 12th …. 20 years of CL is a good return

There will be the odd season of underperformance — yet the season is not yet over and EL is a target

Being 6th so far is a slight underperformance …5th should be more what you can realistically expect based on players wages and transfer budgets

Why football is so enthralling is that results can go against you when you play well ( e.g. Vs Man U , Stoke , Bournemouth , Watford etc ) and sometimes you have plain bad performances ( e.g. Ostersunds , spurs away and Man City ) … which is why you have also to look again at the end of the season …

over 20 years … 10 trophies ,( not counting Community shield ) 20 years of CL , invincible season , FA cup record haul , 4 finals in 4 years , great stadium almost paid for , usually attractive attacking football —
How many teams in England can claim that ? —-so I think , painful though it is to lose a final against the richest English club , while the season is still in progress , it is frankly counter productive and destabilising to put even more pressure on the manager and the team …

Now is the time for the Arsenal supporters to rally and help the team and the manager pull out some great performances on the pitch .. not time to hound the manger and the team

John C
John C

Sorry Superfrog you’re wrong.

Wenger has made a virtue of not investing in the team and this is the long term effects of that policy.

Arsenal have always had money to spend but Wenger has chosen not to spend for idealogical reasons such as not wanting to “kill Denilson/Diaby/etc etc”, and implementing a hugely damaging and uncompetitive “socialist wage structure”.

Along with personal pet projects like “Project Youth” and “British Core” the slow erosion of quality has culminated in what we see today, an uncompetitive team thats going to take massive investment to start challenging again.

He has also regularly put players needs above that of the team.

Had he focused on doing what was right for the club and not his youth projects, social experiments, not wanting to damage x,y,z’s career all of this could have been avoided.

Superanderslimpar
Superanderslimpar

He’s invested a fuckton of money. Just not where we need it

Nick

Tottenham are nowhere near us with financial clout and have a far lower wage bill ,so what’s the excuse for being worse than them ? What about Leicester ? Their one off season just shows what can be done if you organise and motivate what you have ! Which Wenger consistently FAILS to do whether he spends or NOT !

Charles Orji
Charles Orji

I share in your pain, sense of helplessness and despair bro. We all do.. The difference is that some are in denial or lives in illusion, while others accept the reality and and facts staring us in the face.

Superanderslimpar
Superanderslimpar

Us having not as much money as Man City is not the reason we didn’t win at West Brom. Or Swansea. Or Bournemouth. Or Watford. Despite leading in all of those games….

Win those games, & have a chance of going 2nd tomorrow. Is that enough perspective for you Gaffer?

Mein Bergkampf

Sorry, no offence meant.

The Loon Ranger
The Loon Ranger

With perspective our performance isn’t so dire, so where do I need to be standing to have this view? Narnia?
#ya gunnersya

Superfrog
Superfrog

Yes , losses with a B team , ostersunds needed to score 4 to qualify , the team is 6th and that is the lowest it is likely to finish , they are still in the last 16 of EL , that is what a sense of perspective means

Deano

The problem with the B team losing, was the manner in which they lost. A serious lack of motivation, not much idea or focus of the job at hand, and an error strewn performance. Remarkably similar to Sunday.

Gio
Gio

Infuriating. He is so deluded it’s unreal. There’s no way this man is gonna leave – he needs to be pushed out.

Homer
Homer

What on earth do you (or anyone else) expect him to say?

AW: Well, we played poorly Sunday and lost to the runaway league leaders.
AW: Why? Well, because our club, Arsenal, is run by a pack of spineless bean counters who care nothing for football. Our club is shit. That is it. I say Man City and Pep forever.
AW: Yes, we accept criticism in our job. The fans all say, Pep is the best. By the way, I have changed my name to Pep Wengeriola. There is a motion before the English FA that all active managers changer their names to “Pep.” And have a billionaire uncle die immediately. How will it go, who knows? But I am optimistic.

AW: Who will play Thursday? A good question. My players are all shit. Xhaka … what a waste of money. Jack, he smokes too much. Ospina – he smokes too little. Auba needs a haircut. Mhtdari… however one pronounces that boy’s name, he’s too timid. And timid … Mesut. Sacre blur … that lad, he creates too much and runs too little. Does he not know by now that English football supporters demand blood and guts, not brains and goals. And please, football journalists, give me your honest opinions of Mustafi … a weakling, yes?
AW: Well yes I’m serious. The fans in today’s world, they are all spoilt shits. To a man. They want the truth always. Well, the truth is my squad is shit. I care not for the mind set of my players, the reputation of my club, the self respect of Arsenal supporters the world over, or the board’s views. There, good day. I’m going to play football manager, like the rest of the useless twats in the world.

Chris
Chris

Yea but he built this team and the team doesn’t have what it takes to succeed. I wish he would come out and criticize players who are garbage and then drop them from the first 11. There is no real incentive for playing well or punishment for playing poorly. I don’t think a lot of boards would have let this play out for so long. I really think he’ll get the sack if we go out to AC Milan.

KanoGooner

Just look at what Mourinho did to Pogba, one of their best players this season. He didn’t perform well and then he was dropped.

Wenger does not have balls to do that. How many of such performances did Xhaka have and how many should he put in the future before he can be dropped?

clins
clins

you and wenger are in your own world . take a look at what other managers tells in press conference. conte mourinho pochettino pep talks nothing like this . they never gives justification to 3-0 mauling like that or oesterfuckingwhatever defeat. they talk the truth , when the team performs badly they say it was bad . accepting the truth is the forst step towards success and then rectifying. there is no way wenger would reach anywhere close to the league in future. because he doesnt accept his mistakes and does nothing to prevent them either.

Mootilated
Mootilated

Piss off. Fed up of this perspective bullcrap. We’ve lost 6 games this year alone. What perspective do you need?

Blind old man.

John C
John C

12 loses out of 41 played so far this season.

What perspective do you think he’d like us to take?

Mootilated
Mootilated

Well, considering that we’re 27 points off the league leaders and 9 points off 4th place, I’d like him to take the perspective of the people who feel we are not doing good enough considering our capabilities.

Also, you’re happy with 12 losses in a season?

Ok then. No wonder we stick with Wenger.

John C
John C

Well obviously i don’t have access to Wenger’s super secret “very mathematical” formula that he uses to analyse success so i’m just going to have to take his word for it aren’t I?!?!

You and I are far to stupid to full appreciate Wenger’s scientific method.

(sarcasm!)

P.S. We’re 10 points behind fourth not 9!

Danish Gooner
Danish Gooner

For a man that used to say that every defeat was like a dagger to his heart he is very laid back with recent results.

Gudaffiduck
Gudaffiduck

They often say a team reflects the energy of a manager. Arsene doesn’t care anymore probably due to something that’s happened behind closed doors with the higher ups, this is reflected in the team. Pochettino is a cunt who condones diving, that’s reflected in the little shit’s team also.

Nee manager is needed desperately.

Gudaffiduck
Gudaffiduck

Btw mention of the scum was to prove a kind of point, apologies in advance

Victor
Victor

That’s because he never meant it.

Briggsyeee
Briggsyeee

Wenger would swear blind blue was black. A lucrative career in politics awaits should we ever manage to get rid of him!

Laj
Laj

Anyone else feel like punching the screen when you hear Wenger’s post match comments these days?

ramgooner
ramgooner

I don’t. I feel like punching the journos. Say what you want but that’s not how you treat a manager who is a legend in the game. He is still doing a fantastic job with what he’s been given and he’s much better than the Klopps Pochettinos of this world.

I don’t give much importance to Wenger in or Wenger out debate.
The one thing about the club that irritates me the most is the way they treat fans who turn up for matches week in week out. I have never been to a match but the sums our fans pay to watch Arsenal is ridiculous.

I know that the demand is unlimited but a club of our size should be looking to make more commercial revenues rather than depend on gate receipts and cash in on fans loyalty. That’s cheap mentality. Then you have Bayern fans protesting on our behalf at the Emirates last season. Can’t get worse than that.
I blame the board and those who run the club like a business. Talking about Wenger is a waste of time. More questions should be asked on net spend and ticket prices.

Briggsyeee
Briggsyeee

You can’t blame the journalists… they get paid to sell papers. The last 5 years Wenger must be a dream to them. Even legends have to be accountable at some point.

ramgooner
ramgooner

I have watched every press conference to date and i can’t blame Wenger. Journos keep asking the same question every time until Wenger says something like ‘i have been in the job for 21 years. I deserve some respect’. Then they take it out of context and make it sound like Wenger is being arrogant when in reality the man is working day in day out for this club and hardly does anything for himself with the 10 million pounds he earns.

Wenger’s attitude towards the game is one of those things that is good about football. Just let him finish his contract and leave on a high. In the mean time my only criticism about the club is the ‘ticket prices’.
If you are not going to spend big money and bring in world class players then better be honest about it and reduce the ticket prices.

Obasang
Obasang

Just as deluded as the man himself

John C
John C

Probably the thing that most winds me up about Wenger is his attempt to portray criticism as irrational and him as the voice of rationale and reason.

He constantly alludes to some scientific method of analysis that proceeds every match.

Even after Sunday match he talked about analysing the game in a “very mathematical way”, obviously far too complicated for the plebs and critics to understand, but will undoubtably confirm he is a genius who performed a minor miracle to achieve the result he did.

He’s unbearably patronising and the quicker he fucks off the better!

Tanzanian Gooner
Tanzanian Gooner

Couldn’t put it any better myself. Nowdays Wenger is more of a philosopher than a coach.

John C
John C

He’s an idiot as far as i’m concerned!

Jimmy jump
Jimmy jump

He loves to trot out the “We’ve been the best team over the calendar year” or another time period, not realizing how actually damning that is, because it’s actually has been true, numerous times since 2006. And yet we haven’t won the league. All it really means is that we’re flat track bullies and are terrible against decent teams and absolutely horrible when the pressure is on. Spineless. No winning mentality. A reflection of the manager

John C
John C

As you say it’s completely meaningless, everyone knows what the competitions are and the criteria for winning.

Being good in the second half of one season and the first half of another doesn’t mean anything, what’s the point of even saying it?

Alexit Micki Aubarsenal
Alexit Micki Aubarsenal

His analysis is only for the past one game & focus on the next one. Always. Those poor performance for the last few years are not worth to analyse according to Wenger. That is why he always have things to say or give excuse.

HYL
HYL

Perspective: There are many better managers available out there and Arsenal doesn’t have to stick with you.

Yellow Ribbon
Yellow Ribbon

Not many were so infuriated that we lost to City but by the fact they couldn’t see a fight in that team. It is ok to loose but there was no desire to win to start off with. You know Arsene this season there has been zero cohesion and no mental strength at all. Owning up to his mistakes has never been Arsene’s thing.

ronnie
ronnie

Alright then, what’s the perspective on defeats to Nottingham forest, Swansea and Bournemouth? Which league are they dominating that a team of arsenal’s calibre cannot match them in just this year alone.

He’s frighteningly starting to sound like an old man trying to cling onto any little thing to avoid actually facing the reality that the game has now past him by.

Voldermort
Voldermort

Everything he’s says now just winds me up. He has no accountabilty.
We lost to city most fans could accept that they are a better team than us it’s the manner of these types of defeat that fans are complaining about.
It’s just never his fault. The arrogance is just so hard to take. Never wanted to dislike the man. He’s done far to much for this club but he’s just not giving me any choice no more.
So sad it’s come to this. The man is now lacking class the very thing that set him apart from most other managers.

Zakgooner
Zakgooner

Perspective? PERSECTIVE?? Perspective is that we have gone backward in the past 10 years, perspective is his ability to manage this club and get the best out of the team has diminished. Perspective is this club has continued to make profit and rather than being proactive to ensure success, they have been reactive. Perspective is for what ever reason you wish to cite, the players are no longer motivated and this club has sailed to mediocrity. Perspective is this club is placid from the top down. Perspective is that we have not challenged at the top (that does not include the FA cup, while the out record is impressive it isn’t not a top honour and has only served to distract attention away from our consistent decline) whilst paying the most in world football for the privilege. Perspective is we have sat back and watched this gulf in class develop between us and the majority of clubs above us (which at this rate will soon include Sp*rs, how many more times must they finish above us before this shift in power is confirmed) and now we are so far behind we can’t even maintain top 4, let alone challenge. Perspective is we are well and truly fucked this season and should someone inherit the reigns next season they also inherit this mess. Managing a new club is an enormity of a task for any manager, taking on our current position and appeasing the fans will border on impossible. Perspective is that we are in a rutt and this has the potential to get a lot worse before it gets better. Incompetent decision making has gone unchallenged at this club for too long, this reactive approach will take a long time to repair the damage already done.

Perspecitve Wenger, your perspective is so detached from the reality of this situation that it is genuinely worrying. An assessment of your perception of reality is needed because fuck me there aren’t many if any who would share a similar perspective on what’s happened this season.

BigGuns
BigGuns

Here’s some perspective – we are 10 points behind the top four and are falling further behind the pack every year.

Also a bit of perspective on your “I turned the whole world down” shtick – no top club in Europe would go near you now.

Possession
Possession

Arsene……the fans sitting in the stands had more passion than the 11 out on the pitch who fucking strolled about for large parts of the game and we were mostly silent !
Ok, 10 because Jack showed some but ffs , get real.
I hate that prick Neville but he was right and I was there watching it and cringing.
Get it into perspective ?
We all pay good money to watch and that shit show wasn’t good enough and it hasn’t been for ages.

Rant over.

Emily
Emily

This is starting to get painfully embarrassing. I will always respect him for what he has done for the club but the man is really damaging his legacy now.
After the 2014 FA cup final, a part of me wanted him to stay and win the league and champions league with us before he calls it a day but I really wish he had walked away after that FA cup win.

Don
Don

The perspective i’m seeing is a club in 6th cast adrift from the top 5 who’ve all had to play CL whilst we rest. A club who’s attack is impotent as ever, who’s defence is as shocking as it was 8 years ago. A club who’s tactics and mentally never change. A club not a team because it’s just a disorganised group of players having a kick about. Perspective is why it’s not just a 3-0 defeat to City Arsene

SurreyGooner
SurreyGooner

The problem is he’s not going to say anything else because to do so would be admitting he’s fucked up.
Once we’ve failed to win the Europa league – and we will fail – he should be give a send off fitting for someone who has given Arsenal and the English game so much and the new Manager brought in to assess the squad and what he needs for next season. The rebuilding of our squad and reputation needs to start before the summer break.

Greg
Greg

I feel ridiculous now thinking that losing at home and being played off our own pitch by ostersunds was a new low. It’s all okay because we won the leg

Limparrr
Limparrr

Boycott the stadium and don’t renew season tickets. Will sort everything out.

Prawn sandwich brigade out.

Zakgooner
Zakgooner

You’ve only got to look at the sensible comments being thumbed down to tell you there are a lot of people with a similar mindset to the manager or even still in support of how things are run (fuck knows why because while everyone sits behind their computers or smart phone hitting the little thumbs down button to anti Wenger comments, they fail to provide any credible responses to refute
the argument). I agree with the boycott, but we need true fans to renew season tickets, the amount of neutral supporters in the ground is at an all time high, I for one could never give up my season ticket because of the state of affairs, I’ll be there through thick and thin. But the ground has lost its value and atmosphere, for what ever reason you may cite it is a direct consequence of how this club is run.

Limparrr
Limparrr

Don’t expect anything to change then, supporting Arsenal has become so boring.

I wouldn’t get a season ticket even if they were half price.

Zakgooner
Zakgooner

The thing is there are too many who do not agree, too many who are happy.

Protests against the regime are faced with ridicule and even violence from other fans.

When there are protests it’s a select few, those who are not happy are merely out voiced.

If you do not renew there is a a 10 year list of people waiting to take your place (and not renewing is not an option ever IMO regardless of how bad things get).

There needs to be a committed approach, there are too many fan fans with misguided loyalty to make that happen.

Antony
Antony

The ten year waiting list dried up years ago!

Zakgooner
Zakgooner

If it’s not ten years it’s certainly still a substantial period of time. You can’t just rock up and get a season ticket for the following season.

Jimmy jump
Jimmy jump

The downside of being a London team. Every single true fan could give up their tickets and the ground would still be full because tourists would buy up the tickets.

Superfrog
Superfrog

We all would like the team to win every game and trophy they compete for but as An arsenal supporter and season ticket holder( at great financial sacrifice but out of choice ) , I will turn up for every match through thick and thin to watch my team , support them — win or lose — always want to win but have also to deal with the losses … some seasons will be great , others not do good ,,, but always behind your team ….life is not always fair , and sometimes we have to deal with defeat …. if you can deal with defeat , then you are able to win…..

LooRollMessi
LooRollMessi

It’s the fans that have put me off after almost 40 years of going to Arsenal. So negative, it is no surprise the team isn’t functioning in such an environment.

Keownbitmeref
Keownbitmeref

This ground has never had any atmosphere. And frankly Highbury wasn’t great either (library?) in terms of noise, although it did have a special atmosphere.

I suppose this is a country-wide phenomenon since ticket prices reached obscene levels and the Premier League became a tourist attraction. It’s not just us, but Arsenal is located in a relatively affluent part of London and most of the people who can afford it are not in the business of singing chants.

You’re living in the past. “True fans” probably don’t even exist in the Premier League anymore. Even the rubbish clubs get booed off if they’re losing!

In short we are where we are. Either jump on the bandwaggon and crave success above all else or go support a team in the lower leagues.

Zakgooner
Zakgooner

In comparison to other clubs we were seen to have little atmosphere. But making a comparison of Highbury to the Emirates we have lost what we used to have, the special atmosphere your referred to. It has returned at times, Barcelona at home a good few years ago, United at home two seasons ago, it is there! But it has and will continue to be diluted with the current state of affairs.

Jimbo Jones
Jimbo Jones

Agree with you. There’s a few types of Arsenal fan to my mind:

1) proper fans (match going or would be if they could afford it , lived in the northern hemisphere, didnt work weekends, hadn’t given up their season ticket out of numbness.) Always expect the club to challenge at the highest level and understand there was a club before Wenger
2) Glory fans, buy the kits, wind up their mates and support the team if we’re successful. Last seen in significant numbers in about 2006. Have migrated to Manchester
3) Wenger loyalists, believe supporting the manager is supporting the club. The fans they hate most are other arsenal fans. Secretly subscribe to their guilty pleasure AFTV and get aroused by DT when hes goes on a rant
4) flip floppers, fandom has been reduced to Wenger in/out depending on the last result, thumbs up/down, and deep internal shame that they’re not real fans having never been to a game.

Lula
Lula

The bigger picture, Arsene. You’re using the same rhetorical tricks as dictators. It is getting really really troubling.

The fans aren’t mad because we lost to City.

loose_cannon
loose_cannon

Well from my perspective the jedi are evil….

Vlad
Vlad

Big time AKB here but the man has lost the plot. I always liked the fact that he doesn’t throw the players under the bus but he also stopped taking responsibility himself. Man up, Arsene, and admit it that you’re in the wrong. This whole “father figure” thing is getting old. Players don’t need to be cuddled, they need to be motivated, and I think he can’t do it anymore.

215Arse
215Arse

Perspective? We’ve had the same issues for over a decade and the squad has gaping holes getting bigger. Pissing me the fuck off at this point. Slagging off the fans while he lives in his own isolated world.

ritabhash
ritabhash

The game has outgrown you. And that’s nothing to be ashamed of, Arsene.
Great managers like Clough faced the same problem.
For Arsenal’s sake, quit after this season and let somebody else take charge.

Another season of this and we’ll probably become the Liverpool of the late 2000s and early 2010s.

And as much as I hate to see it, another season of Tottenham finishing above us is just intolerable.

ritabhash
ritabhash

And anybody can illuminate me as to why Laurent Blanc doesn’t seem to be considered for managerial positions by any top club? He was a pretty good manager last I recall and in my humble opinion, would do fine as a manager at London Colney.

Shank

Tell that to the little boy crying on the television on Sunday.

Thesoulofpdavis
Thesoulofpdavis

I don’t need perspective. I had that under George Graham.

Fatgooner
Fatgooner

To be fair to Wenger he’s right about the defeat to Östersunds. That game was effectively the second half of a 180-minute football match which we eventually won 4-2. In cup football all that matters is that you get through – and we did get through.

But he’s talking bollocks about Sunday.

Sunday’s display was the most inept, clueless, passionless, uncaring performance that I’ve ever seen form an Arsenal side in a major cup final. So many Arsenal fans whom I’ve spoken to since the the game have been, like me, just outraged by the total lack of desire from Wenger’s players. Their attitude seemed to be the exact opposite of the brilliant mentality which enabled Wigan to pull off that marvellous win against City only a few days earlier. It looked like we just didn’t care. And that’s what hurts so much. City are a great side and it’s no shame to lose them. But it was the manner of the defeat which was so galling.

It’s so sad watching this man, who was once the best club manager in the world, desperately clinging on to a job which has become far to big for him. In terms of tactics, team selection, man management and player motivation, Wenger just can’t cut it at one of the biggest clubs in the world any more. The only person who can’t see this seems to be the Frenchman himself.

But we shouldn’t be in this position. No first-team manager should effectively be his own boss – which is what Wenger is. If Arsenal were a properly structured and managed business then Le Prof would have been handed his P45 a long time ago. Only the the sheer lunacy and idiocy of the Kroenke family is allowing this farce to continue. The only question left to answer is when should Wenger go. For me, he should go now. Top four is gone, and wining the Europa League is extremely unlikely given the current form of this side. So rebuilding should start now. Removal of the the toxic Wenger influence might just provide an improvement in form. Steve Bould couldn’t do any worse.

By the way: does anybody else think that snapping up Antonio Conte in the summer when he leaves Chelsea would be a really smart move? He’s precisely the type of manager we need right now. And he’s proven that he can win the title.

Jimbo Jones
Jimbo Jones

Wenger apologist!

Jimbo Jones
Jimbo Jones

Im joking by the way FG

Jimmy jump
Jimmy jump

Sad? I guess. I’m more angry. And I have zero sympathy for Wenger. He’s making a fortune, and if he truly cared about the club, truly cared about the fans, truly cared about winning, he would have left the club ten years ago. But he’s simply a power mad dictator who is drunk on power and terrified of life after football. I don’t care if you’re scared arsene. Get lost. Seek help if you have nothing to live for besides managing a perrenially underperforming football team.

Alan

This man can’t accept that he hasn’t got it anymore..the game has moved on from when he became boss. A whole new shake-up is needed and now. The new stadium was ment as a bastion to bring us to a new level, competing with the elite clubs in Europe. Instead we are 10 years behind them now and can’t see anything happening for the greater good in the next 10. We could be a mid table team soon and Spurs be a regular CL competitor. Changes needed big-time.

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

What’s the perspective on the last 3-4 years?

santori
santori

To put things in perspective, we’ve also beaten Chelsea recently and we have beaten City to FA cup last season.

BUT…we also lost to Nottingham Forest.

And we are further away than before recapturing the ‘minimum standard set of 4th place or better.

There is the Europa which we now bank our hopes (partially) on Welbeck because of our January transfer (unnecessary) dealings.

Merlin\'s Panini
Merlin\'s Panini

Here’s some perspective.
Arsene Wenger wins the double in his first full season in charge (97-98)
Finishes 2nd three years on the bounce
Wins another double 2001-2
Finishes 2nd and wins the FA Cup 2002-3
Invincible league title win 2003-4
Finishes 2nd and wins the FA Cup 2004-5
Finishes 4th and gets to Champions league final 2005-6
Finishes either 4th or 3rd every season for the next nine years and wins the FA Cup twice in the last two years
Finishes 2nd to a hardworking but technically inferior Leicester City 2015-16
Finishes 5th 2016-17 and wins the FA Cup.
In 6th far from the top four as it stands 2017-18.

The decline has been steady but noticeable and results this season have been awful for a club with a minimum target of top four. The Europa league is now our only hope of Champions League qualification and looks increasingly a tall order.
Yes, we are lucky to be in the position that 6th in the top league in the country is not deemed acceptable, but this is now a worse position than we were in when he joined. Progress has come and gone.

santori
santori

To take recent game into perspective, unless you are a muppet following the media pundits vacuous train of thought… we were not out played through 90 minutes.

In fact, but for the error leading to the first goal, we were competitive in the first half.

We dropped after another rousing half time talk and cuppa chamomile tea by the gaffer.

And that is an issue we have to look into. The midfield’s ability to sustain both effort and concentration through 90 minutes is a problem. Whether its fitness or otherwise, if we can compete at same level in the first half, we were actually causing City some issues and they misplaced a number of passes themselves.

Then defensively, we need to be (of course) more aware but the back 3 has to be tighter.

It was always a disaster waiting to happen with the fullbacks/wingbacks pushed too high up and the other two Cbacks standing too far off Mustafi trying to cover Sane and Silva.

Granted Mustafi made an error positonally but the systemic issue is the Cbacks needed to be closer AND the fullbacks were too slow to fall back.

Now if we want to learn from our mistakes, these are key issues but we should also remember to be brave enough to go forward in midfield.

Dropping deep after the half was always (literarily) an invitation to trouble. If the defense is put under so much duress (particularly ours) we will fold.

How the midfield works is critical and I think we dropped effort around Jack harrying them higher up.

But lets have some perspective, we had a decent first half and what we did do right in that half is what we want to take into Thursday.

Charles Orji
Charles Orji

Defensive excuses.

stephen
stephen

Wenger. Troll level 1000.

Nijjy
Nijjy

For a man known for his erudition and knowledge and his overall personality, it’s really sad and dare i say pathetic to see him groveling in the dark and struggling with words to defend himself. Everything comes to an end. He’s no different.

ado
ado

Wenger knows his fucked, but he the epitome of professionalism. He doesnt show panic or troubled. He protects the players, the squad, he tries to maintain harmony in the worst times.

Wenger is not stupid, I remember a few years ago he mentioned this. Alex does it too. One thing for sure, he hasnt lost the dressing rooms just the fans.

COYG1001
COYG1001

The only thing worse than the results (and possibly the manager’s sense of timing), are the click-bait driven fans. A veritable cesspool of negativity, self-rightiousness, and entitlement. Fans support. Haters “goona” hate.

Espen
Espen

It was a tight game until 2-0, Jesus Wenger. People or fans analyse the whole match on performance not just until a certain time frame.

kentmonkey
kentmonkey

“It looks like we have lost against bottom of the league in division five”…

Going by very recent performances, and the inept attitude shown by many playing and working for the club this season, that would be a very distinct possibility had that fixture taken place.

It’s not like we have only lost to decent opposition this season.

It definitely feels like he’s clutching at more straws than the Nesquik bunny

Nick

Perspective? OK let’s do that then let’s put it into the perspective of being worse this term than last or steadily worse for the last 12 years league and CL wise! !!

Riku
Riku

PERspective .if wenger was sacked he would be paid offs . 8.5 million. That’s money would come out of next years transfer budget. The owner kronke says we will want to balance the book. They probably sells – lacezette for 45 million. Minus 8.5 m ( wenger pay off. ) giving the new manager 35 million to make a title winning team. ! Good luck. When Manchester city asnd utd spends 250 million again. This is what people wants . Perspective.