Kicker link Thomas Tuchel as Arsene Wenger’s replacement

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According to German outlet kicker, Thomas Tuchel has been lined up as Arsene Wenger’s replacement after it emerged he’d turned down the position of head coach at Bayern Munich.

The 44 year old has formerly managed Mainz, Augsburg and, of course, Borussia Dortmund before he was let go in 2017.

It was widely reported at the time that his relationship with scout/sports scientist, Sven Mislintat was complicated, with friction between the two men, but the kicker report insists that the history between him and the now Head of Recruitment at Arsenal would not be an impediment to him taking the job.

Tuchel has also been strongly linked with PSG and Chelsea who are likely to be in the market for new managers this summer, and this all feels quite speculative, however over the last little while there’s been a lot of Arsenal news coming via German sources.

Whether that’s down to the business we’ve been doing there, via the growing German influence at the club, or if it’s just part and parcel of the media landscape it’s hard to say.

Nevertheless, Tuchel would be an interesting candidate to replace Wenger if the change is made, but while there’s still something to play for this season, don’t expect anything from the Arsenal grapevine on this one.

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Viva la prof
Viva la prof

Sorry but did I miss a meeting, how the fuck is basically becoming Dortmund going to make us better? They got to one champions league final just like us didn’t they.

Atom
Atom

Dortmund did pretty well to win the league a couple of times when you consider the German league is basically Bayern & everyone else. It’s not like the PL where there are several teams who could realistically win it and take points off each other. Yes they won it in years when Bayern was down, but it was still very impressive, particularly considering it was accomplished on a small budget.

Bosscielny
Bosscielny

They won it with Klopp not Tuchel tho.

Atom
Atom

Their model focuses on finding up and coming talent and with good coaching developing those players into stars- that’s continued post Klopp and really was what Wenger succeeded at (he knew the French generation before others did). Since we aren’t going to outspend the Manchester clubs who think nothing of dropping 50-60 m on players who are simply squad options then I think the Dortmund model (but with a bigger budget here) is decent way to go

Jimbo Jones
Jimbo Jones

I would be delighted to get him. He’s got a great track record, seems to do things the right way and would fit into the structure we seem to have put in place. His teams play nice football too.

More importantly he doesn’t come across like a prick a la Mourinho and he’s got something to prove

Gooner Sam
Gooner Sam

And there we have it…thats why we would follow it…small budget, music to Arsenals ears

BobbyPires
BobbyPires

Won’t be my 1st choice but if it means Wenger leaving in the summer; I say Welcome Tuchel

Fabulous
Fabulous

Should we just get Sam Allardyce then just for the sake of it? Bloody hell mate, I think it’s time for a change as well but only if the replacement coming in is better than Arsene Wenger (which if we’re frank is still above average, but still not the world class one we need to push on, not anymore at least).

Not Bono
Not Bono

For the exact reason we were able to nab their star striker in the middle of the season we aren’t going to “become dortmund” anymore than we became Monaco by hiring Wenger and signing Petit

TOGooner
TOGooner

I don’t believe that is how hiring managers works. We don’t actually become the last team he managed. But if it were so, I look forward to the better shirts and some safe-standing, pattern-making, superior home support.

Gooooonnnnnnaaaaaaa
Gooooonnnnnnaaaaaaa

Yeah I don’t understand why “Becoming Dortmund” is an insult. Not that I think that’s our plan but I love Dortmunds model. The club always prioritizes the fans, and that’s evident with the fans’ unconditional support, the atmosphere they create, that close bond you feel between the fans and the players. I’m not a Dortmund fan and I don’t follow every game, but as an outsider it seems like the players are always up for every game and always give 100%. They’ve always brought up youngsters from their youth academy and normally sign young players that they can mould to fit their style of play.

If we can get all of the above at arsenal then I’d be happy. You can’t demand success, but you can demand that the players are always “up for it” and that the right decisions are being made to put our team in the best possible position to succeed. Entering this season for example without signing a commanding CB and DM, having only 1 senior RB and with the uncertainty of several players’ futures is not setting your team up for success, it’s shit business and rookie mistakes.

Gooooonnnnnnaaaaaaa
Gooooonnnnnnaaaaaaa

Thomas Tuschel came into Dortmund in a similar situation as ours. Replaced a manager that exceeded expectations and was a legend but for whatever reason it wasn’t happening for him at the end. He came in and performed right away, and at 44, there’s still so much to come from him. Only reason he left was because of a dispute with the board. He’s a very competent man, plays attractive attacking football but knows how to set his team up to defend as well (something Klopp doesn’t).

First and foremost, I have the utmost respect for what Wengers achieved at arsenal and regardless to what happens this season, I will still have that respect, and still believe we should get a new manager. Having said that, there’s plenty of managers that could do a good job. Tuschel, Allegri, Ancelotti, Simeone, Ralph Hasenhuttl (RB Leibzig), julian nagelsmann. I’d even consider someone like Marco Silva or David Wagner, or even an Arsenal legend such as Patrick Viera.

As long as the stricture around the manager is done right then we shouldn’t be too worried, just let them focus on coaching. I don’t care for the argument of “be careful what you wish for” or that the club isn’t ready. It’s time for a change of voice and approach and it has to happen this summer, even if Wenger wins all the remaining league games and the Europa league.

Personally I’m excited and think of the right appointment is made then we can see I stand rewards because I really believe there’s so much more to come from our players and that we’re bit getting the best out of them. Add 2 or 3 key signings and I don’t see why we can’t compete next season. Obviously it’s unrealistic to expect to win the league next season but at least challenge and not go through the same cycle we’ve gone through for the last couple of years.

Bkamp4ever
Bkamp4ever

With a known history between Sven and Thomas, personally don’t think its a wise move. Will lead to a situation where someone’s​ position becomes untenable

Sean
Sean

I’m not saying Tuchel will happen regardless, but these constant comments about Mislintat are still strange to me. With some of these comments, you’d think they were the bloody gallagher brothers. For one thing, I doubt any of us even know the full extent of what happened, and secondly, is it beyond reason to think things could be patched up between them? In the hypothetical scenario a move’s been given the green light, then you’d assume the club would obviously have considered this and spoken about it with Sven beforehand.

Berlingoon
Berlingoon

It has been made pretty public what the problems between them have been. Tuchel didn’t allow Sven contact to the players and banned him from the training pitch. It’s not like a little argument or something. They genuinely dislike each other.
And if you just signed a new deal with a club and this club is thinking about hiring a guy you don’t like, would you risk losing your job by saying that you’re not willing to work with him or would it be normal that he says he’s a professional and will deal with the clubs decisions?
Nevertheless I think it would be a very unhealthy thing to make the future of AFC dependent on 2 guys getting along that are genuinely disliking each other.
Apart from the fact that I don’t rate Tuchel that much generally. Has managed to lose the Dortmund team within a year. Hasn’t shown that he’s able to handle a big club now.

Nketibag
Nketibag

I predicted this two years ago. He fits the bill completely in terms of age, football philosophy and with all the German foundations being put in place – he even has a economics degree for god’s sake! A la Arsene.
That is until we hired Sven – I just can’t see this working out.

Make Arsenal Great Again
Make Arsenal Great Again

Like most arsenal fans, I think it’s time to make changes at Arsenal. However, I’m not for makings change at manager just for the sake of making a change. I don’t rate Tuchel at all. What exactly has he won? If we’re to make a change, it has to be an upgrade on Arsene

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

I really don’t get the “what has he won?” argument and how that’s any different from “Arsene who?” and “If he’s so good, why was he get fired and managing in Japan?” from 20 odd years ago.

Bosscielny
Bosscielny

Don’t think you can compare the two situations. David Dein’s understanding and equation with Wenger played a hugely important role in hiring Wenger.

Don’t think Sir Chips or Gazidis have that sort of thing with Tuchel. Football landscape has also changed drastically over the last 20 years. From the limited knowledge I have of the bundesliga, Dortmund’s playing style and league positions deteriorated in Tuchel’s time over there.

Also it is worth noting that he has been out of that job for an year now and no other big club has seriously considered him.

And he not only had fractious relationship with Sven but also players like Subotic, Weidenfeler, Blazckyzowski and also the Dortmund CEO at that time. Imo having problems getting along with so many people isn’t really ideal.

I don’t think he is the right man for Arsenal but that is just my opinion.

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

If anyone is making the choice it’s Sehnlini (or whatever) who’s now playing the Dein role, and I’m sure he knows a thing or two about football and finding the right managers.

The deterioration of Dortmund is due to them selling their best players (to Bayern no less) which grated Tuschel and one of the reasons of his issues with the board. He also went 40 games at home unbeaten, and won them a trophy.

“No other big club has seriously considered him” Err, did you read the report? Bayern have been actively pursuing him. Their DoF has been publicly praising him in the media.

Make Arsenal Great Again
Make Arsenal Great Again

Wenger won the League at Monaco

Nketibag
Nketibag

Clearly you’re as narrow-minded as your name suggests.

SharpasFc
SharpasFc

Who is an upgrade on Arsene? My biggest issue with Arsene is that he has become a bit lazy and complacent in my opinion. I said this recently, probably after the AC Milan victory. If his job is on the line he can become a tactical “genius” and also get the players playing for him.

Why not
Why not

DFB Pokal

Make Arsenal Great Again
Make Arsenal Great Again

Really? You’re comparing DFB Pokal to 1 League 1, 1 coupe de France, 3 Premeir Leauges, 7 FA Cups? If a manager hasn’t won much in a major European leauge or a major European competition, or the World Cup, I don’t want him. This is FUCKING Arsenal. Act like it

tammrak
tammrak

Kicker has been surprisingly bold and said Tuchel is coming this summer to replace Arsène. They are probably the most reliable German publication on transfers. Of course, nothing is ever certain until Ornstein tweets it and it’s announced on the Arsenal website.

Here’s the Kicker article: http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/intligen/startseite/720202/artikel_bayern-absage_tuchel-wechselt-zum-fc-arsenal.html

I don’t really know how to feel about this. Purely from a footballing perspective, though, I’d be incredibly excited for next season.

Why not
Why not

Reading this the article they seem very sure but also mention ‘insiders have said he’s been talking to psg’.

Eric Blair
Eric Blair

I find this story a little suspicious. In Germany you don’t turn down Bayern unless you or your club have a personal enmity with them, and even that didn’t stop Neuer moving from Schalke because he knew the truth; Bayern is a level above almost everyone (perhaps only Madrid and Barcelona are above them) and that is where you go to win trophies.

Why would Tuchel turn them down? They probably wouldn’t come back for him again after being refused, and he could always go there now and coach abroad in the future.

Anyway, my tuppence worth; if he were to come to Arsenal I think it could be a match made in heaven.

Sab
Sab

I’m not sure about this. We need a manager who can defensively improve us like Simeone or Allegri. Even Ancelotti or Sarri for that matter. What did Tuchel do before getting the sack? Anyone is better than Wenger atm but trophies should be the priority.

oleg luzhny
oleg luzhny

david moyes would be prudent

TeeCee
TeeCee

You need to update your thesaurus. “Prudent” is not a synonym for “crap”.

Jimbo Jones
Jimbo Jones

I can’t help it but I have a feeling simeone would be wrong for us. No matter how good at his particular niche in the game he might be. I don’t think our squad would respond to the style of play, it’s literally the polar opposite of what they are used to and the type of players they intrinsically are. I have to say too that what i miss most right now is the football we played in the early Wenger years, or the Graham vintage years with Limpar in his pomp and i cant say in my lifetime ive ever seen football as conservative in style as Simeone, it’s very Morinhoesque. I know some football hipsters might tell me I don’t get it but ive watched Athletico say half a dozen times and I’ve had to turn it off for wanting to slit my wrists. It’s that dull. It would be such a massive departure for the club that I just don’t imagine the board would take the risk and I for one want the change in manager to be an evolution, a refresh of Arsenal not to lose our identity totally

RosickyLegend7
RosickyLegend7

If the board are going behind AW’s back and looking for a replacement without notifying the Boss or the fans I think it’s sad. Whether it may or not be time for him to leave but the way the club are handling the situation is a disgrace. If they are looking to relieve AW they should at least tell the man himself but also the fans so we can all rally on and give him the respect/send-off he deserves. I know I could be wrong and way off the mark but the situation is being handled wrongly, in my opinion.

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

How will that work then?
“Hey Arsene, are you okay with us potentially finding a replacement for you? Hope you’re well?”

Or would you like us to first let him go THEN look for someone? Because that’s not exactly brilliant leadership and planning is it?

SharpasFc
SharpasFc

Arsene would have to be stupid not to realise that the board are actively looking to replace him. If he cares about the club as much as he claims then he should understand that forward planning is essential…look at what happened to Man Utd! I know they ended up with Moyes on SAF’s suggestion/orders, but that worked out how almost everyone expected it to.

I do agree to an extent that it feels a little uncomfortable for all these stories to be leaked to the press and I do wonder how much it will influence the way the players respond for the rest of the season.

Yagunnersya
Yagunnersya

1) The big guns in Dortmund claimed they were worn out by Tuchel.
2) Tuchel had some beef with mr. Misteltoe
3) not sure about this one, but I think I remember yet another beef with Auba.

If this proves true in a time where stability is the key object I just can’t see Tuchel as the right guy for the job.

Big Cheese
Big Cheese

I like Tuchel but those are all good points. On the other hand, you’d hope Gazidis would speak with Auba, Sven, or anyone else who has worked with Tuchel, before committing on the guy and making him manager of Arsenal. I would have liked to seen Vieira come in as our next manager.

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

Tuschel was my number 1 pick before Jardim, and the only reason why I let go of it was because of the Sven connection.

He’s exactly what we need, especially seeing as he’s Klopp 2.0 (my dynamic, defends as a unit better) and we’re seeing what Klopp is doing now.

But I think Kicker or downplaying that issue with Sven somewhat. It was quite a big falling out, and stories are they didn’t even talk to each other directly, instead sending messages via other staff. Can’t see how that can be forgotten, especially as now Sven’s role is even bigger here.

Yagunnersya
Yagunnersya

But isn’t Sven just another scout at Arsenal? Wenger didn’t exactly praise the guy either. He was rather arrogant and belittled Sven when talking about talents in football.

Yagunnersya
Yagunnersya

“We know the players,” said the Arsenal boss. “We knew every single player in Europe before Sven arrived.

“Sometimes in a little club in Germany he might know somebody that we might ignore.”

Michael Bolton Wanderers
Michael Bolton Wanderers

Seems like such a bitter comment to make regarding a new staff member at the club

Deano

They were entertaining going forward under Tuchal, but defensively clean sheets were rare and few and far between. Has a reputation for falling out with people too, most notably Sven.

loose_cannon
loose_cannon

Hmm for all of Tuchel’s qualities he compares unfavourably with Klopp if we’re being honest

Buzzy Gurlha
Buzzy Gurlha

Tuchel with a decent budget and the German Sven – ozil -Tuchel influence.p.s Now I know why Ozil signed the new contract. And Micki and Auba too .Don’t u fellas get it.Its all falling into place.
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Bosscielny
Bosscielny

I don’t know why people rate Tuchel so highly. Didn’t pull up any trees with the Dortmund team or with Mainz earlier. He hasn’t won a major trophy as a manager in his career.

I would prefer someone with a proven track record like Allegri, Enrique or even Jardim.

Robins Boost
Robins Boost

If we see the value of Sven, and brought him n specifically to do certain things (like identifying good talent before they get full bloom), and if he’s starting to provd with us with these acquusitions of micky and auba, and the young prospect defender, then we should get someone who can with him, and eho can work with micky and Auba (2 very important players to us).
If theres friction between tuchel and sven, and auba, (and if anyone has an issue with auba, hes not gonna be micky’s bestie either), then we should logically look for someone else.

ramgooner
ramgooner

Tuchel would be the perfect No.2 for Wenger for next season.

Twatsloch
Twatsloch

I want Wenger replaced sooner rather than later but I hope this isn’t true. He didn’t do particularly well at Dortmund and not only with footballing results but also managing to fall out with lots of people.

Dreamer
Dreamer

I want Diego Simeone!!!!

GunnerdareMKD
GunnerdareMKD

I don’t as I don’t want to see another murinho with bus tactics when we play the big teams and when leading with the smaller ones i want to kill teams and set up great tactic with the big teams as alegri does with juve with is not defending in their own 16m and not going full throttle atack.

LuisBoaMuerte
LuisBoaMuerte

Please no. He’s the sort of appointment you make if you intend to remain in the Europa League.

Won’t sort out the defence, will fight with our head scout, minimal champions league experience, total trophies won = 1 DFB Pokal, terrible record with injuries. Just fucking why.

Russ99
Russ99

Kicker is a very reputable source in Germany, this one could have validity.

Fletcher
Fletcher

Too speculative to be remotely true….let’s focus on finishing our season on high.

Jean Ralphio
Jean Ralphio

Didn’t he have a major fallout with Sven?

Big Cheese
Big Cheese

I like Tuchel, hope it’s true. He can get the best from our veterans and our younger guys. He’ll play Nelson and Nketiah when he can, while making the first team dangerous once again.

Double98
Double98

No better buachaill than Thomas tuchal.

Has a ring to it Irish styleee

loose_cannon
loose_cannon

Would prefer Jardim or Allegri or even Ancelloti, though that’s not a perfect fit.

GunnerdareMKD
GunnerdareMKD

Sorry but this guy is not an improvement on wenger. He had similar problems at Dortmund with their awful defending as we have at Arsenal which is our main problem that need to be improved with a new coach. He can set great attacking play but defending is his weak point and it is the same we have know. Alegri or Jardim for me.

Mo974
Mo974

Reading here that Tuchel is not that. strange when he is so highly rated in germany to the point that bayern were ready to offer him one of the top job in europe. tuchel did well in dortmund . the side he got had some major players gone ( gotze, kagawa, hummels last season, mihki, etc..) he had some very young players and play offensive football. He is a bit like Guardiola , he demands a lot to his players, some cant respond to that kind of high intensity game. He fell out with the board after a very serious affair: the terrorist attack of the team bus. He thought the board would stand with him and not on Uefa’s side and wanted for the game to be postponed. Tuchel is young , has desire to prove , can fit with the german squad contingent , he is not expensive. So a very good choice. Let’s not fool ourselves with the board we have , they will not go for a superstar manager a la Allegri , Simeone, Ancelloti.

Vonnie
Vonnie

I honestly don’t want anyone who’s going to be divisive. We’ve had years of Wenger in and Wenger out, why would we employ somebody who already has an issue with a member of the Arsenal team who seems to be doing a very good job for us? A huge no from me.

believe me
believe me

well, he cant be any worse than wenger, can he ?

89 was fine
89 was fine

It’s international week so we get plenty of rumours to help us through this difficult time.

Chidi
Chidi

And the German plot thickens.. ….

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

Just a couple of points for those writing of Tuchel…

“His team was bad defensively at Dortmund”
It must be said that a large factor for his split with Sven and their defensive performance is mainly because the core of Dortmund’s team was totally gutted out, and this was a major part of the friction. This is also the same team largely (even better) that is currently floundering in Europa and out of it.

“He falls out with people”.
The Sven thing is a major one and I’m not sure how to solve that. However the idea that he fell out with management is completely his fault isn’t accurate, as one of the issues was them selling off their best players and asking him to perform miracles. He also had a huge falling out with how the management scheduled the team to play so soon after a terrorist attack, and on that front, I don’t blame him. He never had any issues at Mainz.

“He falls out with players”
Reports of him and Aubem, yet first acknowledge some bias on our side. Prior to coming to us, it was Aubem that had the reports of bad behaviour; skipping sessions, going on holiday without clearance, and forcing a move to China.

“Didn’t win anything”
Who does at the Bundesliga? Also note that Bayern have been chasing him to make him their new manager, and they don’t do badly with management choices (would’ve also guaranteed titles, titles people claim he hasn’t won). Even with Dortmund, still led them to a German Cup win and progress in the CL.

Laudgunner
Laudgunner

The desperation to simply REPLACE Wenger with anyone is scary. Tuchel has only won the Germany cup (equivalent to FA cup) and he had to compete with Bayern only. In England, he has Pep, Mourinho, Klopp etc. to compete. We need a PROVEN manager not an experiment. The hype about Tuchel is not worth it cos he is not better than Wenger, only younger. Allegri, Ancetolli, Conte, Jardim and Simeone are ones we should look out for.

Gereoma
Gereoma

Allegri et al are not better than Wenger either. You seem not to understand what is going on. Wenger is past his time and no longer super hungry for success. Who was Gaudiola before he stepped into the huge shoes of Riccard. In modern football you don’t need to have achieved much to take up the mantle, Zidane, a clear example. All you need is passion and descipline, with a prior knowledge of the game at a very decent level. Borrusia, is much more than a decent level. So, Tuchel is not just anyone. Don’t be scared.

Gereoma
Gereoma

What we need at the emirates right now is a Conte or a Tuchel ( impatience, bluntness,divisive).We’ve had our own share of years of caressing, over pampering, and indiscipline. Arsenal under Wenger is the peace of a graveyard; a quite storm where things decay underneath. Even the invisibles did not really have great defence. What we had then was an attacking force that could bring down strongholds and restrain the opposition from attacking them, hence the saying that ‘when you score the Arsenal you were in trouble’. Tuchel’s attacking force is a beauty to behold. With more funds, he’ll touch the defence here and there. City’s defence is also frail, it is their midfield that would just not allow the opposition to penetrate. Something tells me that Tuchel is a commensurate response to City’s Gaudiola.

Valentin
Valentin

I do not understand the appeal of hiring a coach who failed at his only big club experience, falling out with staff and players.

Also trying to replicate that high energy, high intensity way of playing will not work in the EPL. Unless you have a budget for two competitive team and have the luck of no serious injury to your main players, you will always finish short.

That is exactly what happened to Dortmund (one year exception when a very bad Bayern did not win the league) in Germany. Same thing with Athletico Madrid in Spain.

Now there are rumours that Tuchel is trying to get the PSG or the Chelsea gig. That makes a lot more sense. Conte going to PSG and Tuchel to Chelsea. Both club would not have to pay compensation (Chelsea would be so happy to get rid of him, they would wave any fee) and should be in the Champion’s league. Conte would have a bottomless rich club. Tuchel will be encouraged to make use of the youth team and reduce overall expenditure while maintaining a dynamic style of play.

Munich Gun

According to SZ.de, which is about as reliable as it gets, Tuchel is not coaching at Arsenal next year (the article says about Tuchel’s next job: “It seems to be a club that definitely does not sound like an emergency solution. According to SZ information it is by no means the reflexively summoned FC Arsenal, where Arsène Wengers future is still unclear. A clearer track leads to Paris St. Germain, with less likely destinations such as Chelsea, Tottenham Hotspur and Real Madrid also a possibility. Tuchel, it is said, will take over a club that could win the Champions League any year.”)

santori
santori

There will be plenty of speculation.

We are obviously a club that is on the look out for a new manager.

Meanwhile these managers too have agents who will want to promote their cause.

Noise.

santori
santori

Be the sort of young manager that Gazidis and Mslintat feel they can control.

I’d be wary of this sort of appointment.

I was not impressed with the shennanigans behind the Aubameyang/Mhkitaryan deals. Good players they are but maybe not the best options out there for team balance and strategic outlook. Rather it was pandering to personal contacts with the super agent and ex-Dortmund links.

In this case, Tuchel has a mix record at Dortmund at best.

I think we need someone with a bit more experience and stature. Whoever comes in must stamp some personality on the club, particularly the executives and the DoF.

Hopefully Wenger will have a strong say on his successor.

Gereoma
Gereoma

As the highly rated Vaan gaal stamped some personality on United?