Ramsey situation a mess of the club’s own making

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Earlier we reported on reports that contract talks between Aaron Ramsey and Arsenal had broken down.

Now, the BBC’s David Ornstein has run with the story too, as has Jeremy Wilson of the Telegraph who says that the club were not prepared to meet the Welsh international’s demands.

The BBC report says, “Negotiations have stopped and, barring an unlikely resumption, the 27-year-old will be sold in January or become a free agent next summer.”

Arsenal have made substantial offers, but Ramsey has often spoken about his desire to go play abroad at some point and having a reached a point where a Bosman move is within touching distance, perhaps whatever offer was made was never going to be good enough.

Speaking in 2015, after rumours of interest from Barcelona which he described as flattering, he said, “One day I would like to go over to Spain to play just to see what it’s like and to experience that.”

And while Arsenal may want to cash in in January, unless the deal is absolutely what Ramsey is looking for, then it’s going to be very difficult to do that when he can, quite rightly, see out his contract and move on a free in the summer.

Again, we reiterate that this contractual situation is just the latest example of Arsenal being unable to sort out deals with big players. Mesut Ozil, Alexis Sanchez, Jack Wilshere and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain were allowed to get to the final 12 months of their deals, and only the German remains at the club to this day.

There’s also an ongoing situation with Danny Welbeck, and Petr Cech is also inside the last year of his current deal, so this just the latest example of contract mismanagement, not a one-off.

For all the praise people want to heap on Ivan Gazidis, he was the link between the football side of the club and the boardroom which must sanction and finalise contracts with players. He allowed a culture to develop which is damaging both financially and reputationally, so let’s hope Raul Sanllehi can put things right in the years ahead.

Realistically, Arsenal have left something in the region of £50m+ in today’s market on the table by allowing this to happen, and that’s money that could have been reinvested in the squad.

UPDATE

David Ornstein says that a contract extension was recently agreed between all parties, but then Arsenal withdrew it 😳

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Dodgeza
Dodgeza

Look… 200K a week is a crap ton of money – it’s a good deal – the problem here is Ramsey not the Club, if he wants to go then that’s fine. Maybe we could have cashed in sooner but these negotiations have been going on for a very long time.

Double98
Double98

Well its not just Ramsey – Walcott showed his team mates how to get arsenal over a barrel. But before that Henry and RVP went for a song, If they had been tied down on long term deals they would have raised double or treble what they did.
Now Ozil’s deal has taken all the oxygen out of the room… there is nowhere to go . If we double or treble ramsay’s wages then what do we have to do when the next tranche of renewals come?

Its poor. I think arsenal wanted to keep sanchez and sell ozil but alexis took that out of their hands… they should have offered ozil a modest increase and let him go for free if he didnt take it. But they don’t want to appear to be a small club and we can’t lose our star name so they caved…
Ozil really needs to be playing to his weekly wage and sort out whatever funk he is in.
Ramsay can go – he is not playing at a level that says 300k a week. he is now at his peak and whoever gives him his next contract will be paying those wages as he declines into his 30s…

LEFT08
LEFT08

Us fans have got to realize that paying high wages is the only way to attract the very best players and compete with elite clubs. Having said that, it is a case by case basis and I think we could replace Ramsey with a better player.

Homer
Homer

I don’t think you are blaming Walcott, RVP, Song or Fab, but it sorta sounds like it and that is a bit of sour grapes and a sad swipe at players who were great for Arsenal but left. As all players eventually do.

That said, totally agree that Ramsay isn’t worth what he’s asking for and the club should flog him off to the highest bidder.

Thank you Aaron for the 2 FA cup winners. But this geed and BS is pathetic. Take the train.

Double98
Double98

I am absolutely not blaming Walcott or RVP, or any player – fair play to them, their agents saw the desperation and got their money.
I don’t have a beef with RVP or Nasri for what they did… just how they did it.. but both those players should have been on long term deals and had 60million buyout clauses.
All those players with the exception of Song and Walcott should have finished their careers at arsenal.

Clockendrider
Clockendrider

Walcott and Song were never great.

Alex
Alex

Hey, this story is not going to be Özil’s fault now!!?? Time to go that guy a break!

Double98
Double98

Its not Ozils fault – its the americans – the kroenkes and Gazidas and Dick Law and the “brandocracy” we have have adopted where names and twitter followers are bigger than the club for the people in charge.

Bendtner’s Ego
Bendtner’s Ego

Yea. They didn’t want to risk losing two stars at the same time.

Pedant
Pedant

And don’t blame Gazidis, he was just the CEO, in charge of the whole club, paid £2.6m a year.

Even if he knew about it, what could he do, he had no power?

Some people say…

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

Full list is;

Sanchez
Jack Wilshere
Ox
Van Persie
Nasri
Welbeck
Gnabry
Nelson (though he did sign)
Ozil
Theo
Sagna

Just off the top of my head. Regardless of who stayed, that literally hundreds of millions of value and potential revenue we let walk away. In any other company, the executive team and CEO in particular would get crucified.

My wig smells cheesy
My wig smells cheesy

why Welbeck?

My wig smells cheesy
My wig smells cheesy

and not Cech?

Teryima Adi
Teryima Adi

Football is a different ball game , Bro.

Bendtner’s Ego
Bendtner’s Ego

Not Sagna.

They let him go because they were only offering 1 year deals at his age and he wanted a multi-year deal.

Great, great defender, but not great going forward and many of his crosses would get blocked.

Theo’s situation did get resolved and he was starting to actually play to his potential until Kyle Walker cunted him. He seemed to lose some speed, which was his main thing and was never the same.

With Gnabry, there was some backdoor agreement with Bayern already set up. Not much we could do there.

Ox – similar situation as Gnabry. Liverpool have a history of tapping up. Never had much of an end product, so no big loss.

Michael Ginty
Michael Ginty

Bar sagna I would have let everyone go (and welbz)

Merlin's Panini
Merlin's Panini

You’d let Nelson go? He’s one of the best young talents we’ve had for a while.

Berlingoon
Berlingoon

The problem is that he hasn’t received an offer prior to this summer. The Ox said the same one year ago. They constantly let players enter the last year of the contract because if you resign them earlier, you also have to pay higher wages earlier and the club seem to be reluctant to do that and rather live with the risk that the players don’t feel very valued by the club and rather move. Also, as i said a lot of times before, we shot ourself in the foot with the Özil wages. Why should players accept less than they might earn elsewhere, when they know that the club is capable of paying exorbitant wages if they want to. To blame it all on Ramsey isn‘t fair at all, if you ask me.

Red Arrow
Red Arrow

Absolutely agree that Ozils wages have created a problem for the Club. He is paid so much more that surely other team mates will be wondering what their true worth is.

Ramsey has been a decent player for us but in no way is he irreplaceable. It’s just a shame we won’t get any cash for him.

BODMAS
BODMAS

Because they never really improved. Injuries and form, see Jack at West Ham, his injured already. Ramsey good luck if you think Arsenal is not.the best place for you to be.

clins
clins

i cant really fault ramsey here. he is obviously a talented player , whatever your opinion is about him the club certainly seems to think so . if we want to keep players like that we have to offer something in return . financially we are not able to compete with clubs like city and united. if not that then atleast players should think it will benefit them to play at arsenal. and in that case it is certainly not happening . its been a while since our club actually competed for premier league. and with all that when gazidis or whoever is sitting with players like ramsey and sanchez what are they supposed to say to them. that they will compete for europa league and hope they get in top four. we have to face the reality here arsenal are no longer the top draw , even for the best players that we have right now we are no longer desirable.

you have to look at tottenham , they have some top class players right now, and the only reason they are still with the club is because they really think they will benefit playing under pochettino and finally win something. but even for them one more season of the same thing cracks will start to appear. dembele alderwirald one of the best defender and midfielder in the league still have not signed to stay with them. same thing happened with walker. soon kane and alli will follow. if arsenal dont start winning something we will face the same thing

gooner
gooner

This has been a period of change and personally I was praying the Banega rumors were true because I wanted Ramsey sold. Not so much for the football but for a fresh start and planning/building a new team. Now we have Ozil out of position, playing Ramsey in a role that doesn’t suit him and we could be building from scratch in a new season. Wasting all the progress. Some were even for a player with zero commitment being made captain over Kos Cech and other senior pros who might be here next season.

This has been an era of ruthless change where we lost a man who led us for long and really wanted to be around.

I hope he signs or gets sold in January. If not, freeze him out of the team totally from January onwards. This will make others think about player/agent power twice.

Haldiw
Haldiw

If other players see that this is how Arsenal treats its players by benching or freezing, they will never join.

Michael Ginty
Michael Ginty

Ruthless. Bar the FA cups, what has he won? Think we should stop settling for mediocrity. Bye Rambo

Make Arsenal Great Again
Make Arsenal Great Again

Am I the only one not losing any sleep over this? If he wants to leave, good for him. We’ll find an equally talented player.

Jeff

To me it sounds like the manger wants to get someone else in as Ramsey doesn’t fit his system

para
para

A better player!

GoonerJust
GoonerJust

Ramsey has never been that good, except that 1 season years ago when he scored double figures. We should’ve just sold him last summer. Now that negotiation has stopped, just sell him for any amount of money in Jan window.

Double98
Double98

Swap him for Pogba 🙂

Lord Bendnter
Lord Bendnter

Pleease go n have a look at Pogbas salary

Double98
Double98

Please go an look at Pogba’s cv, age and performance data

afan
afan

just go watch him play

John C
John C

Pogba’s the most overrated player in the premier league by a mile, i wouldn’t want him near our club.

Onenil
Onenil

Pogba won the World Cup and looked totally at home playing with the other stars in that team.
He looks average at ManU because Mourinho has lost it.

John C
John C

He was carried by Kante and Griezmann, take those two out of their team and the French weren’t winning the world cup

Irrational Gunner

We don’t have enough caddies.

kaius
kaius

Whoever buys Pogba will be getting one of the best ever deals.

It’s the kind of deal we like to make – a superstar talent not doing it at his current club. We celebrated Mkhi coming from Utd, but we should look down our noses at Paul Pogba!?

Have you seen our midfield!?

At the WC, Pogba and Kante played as a UNIT. He was disciplined, stayed connected to Kante, and did the dirty work. And Kante started the Final sick and had to be taken out at halftime. France still won with ease.

John C
John C

Who celebrated Mkhi coming to Arsenal?! He’s a squad player and offers considerably less than the player he was swapped for

Billy Bob
Billy Bob

Did Maureen ever have it?

PeteyB
PeteyB

Ha. I’d take that.
I do wonder if, given Ramsey’s style, Emery had earmarked Ramsey as a key player and requested he be kept. Maybe regretting now as he’s struggling to balance him and Ozil.

Really feel that from Emery’s point of view the wrong one is leaving.

Laca-Sead
Laca-Sead

My hunch is Emery wanted to test players before getting rid of them. By now it must have a clear idea of whom he wants to keep.

TeeCee
TeeCee

If Emery has come to the conclusion that Ramsey belongs on the non-essential list, that would neatly explain why an allegedly lucrative contract allegedly in place and allegedly agreed by all parties was suddenly withdrawn (allegedly).
I don’t care who’s on the board, if the coach points out that that player you’re about to lavish 200k a week on isn’t a necessity for him…..!

Irrational Gunner

Yes. This sure looks like Emery has had a major hand in the decision, we have replacement ready for a January buy, or both. I have not heard of the Arsenal ever reneging, yes alleged, on any past agreements or new contracts. Who the team has decided to replace Ramsey is the interesting question going forward.

abhimanyu1989
abhimanyu1989

swap him for Alexis

asda
asda

Hell no!

Double98
Double98

I call him Alexis when i think of him as an arsenal player and sanchez when i think of him as a man utd player (and oddly Alexis Sanchez when i think of him as a Barca player)
But i dont know where we’d fit him into an attack? Lose Auba?

Arsenala Vista Baby
Arsenala Vista Baby

Welbeck already scored more than that guy’s season at MU last year

Anonymarse
Anonymarse

I call him penis

afan
afan

yeah, he would be great in ems team

SB Still
SB Still

Wouldn’t mind it I think. Raiola is his agent as well. So we’ll have to sell Pogba in a couple of yrs to Real.

Bendtner’s Ego
Bendtner’s Ego

Good chance of that. But Real at least give you fair market value for the player.

Irrational Gunner

Two years? LA Galaxy.

afan
afan

Pogba is shite

Public Elneny
Public Elneny

No he’s just playing for a shite manager

karl
karl

What a shame they didn’t sell in the summer. It is hard to imagine paying Ramsey £200k + on his performances this season. I would have been up for it if there was ever a sign of the 2013 form though.

Greg
Greg

You dont need to imagine paying ozil 350k a week for the dross he’s delivering as we are

Ozenal
Ozenal

Just shows how one manager change can make such a vast difference to players. But then I look at Manu and laugh.

Modusho
Modusho

I think this is a new reality. Players would hold clubs to ransom. Look at Sterling and City and the fact that Can left Livepool and the Mancs would have probably bent backwards to keep hold of Fellaini.
I blame the club also but i also believe that these players do not really want to sign and as the contract to Mesut shows, once you start acceding the these kinds of request, it would only escalate.
If Ramsey wants to leave, fine. I have loved and berated him in probably equal measure as he can delight and exasperate in almost equal measures. It might even help the team get more balance in the midfield and fully accommodate the person and talent of Mesut. I would sell in January and move on. If his commitment to the team cause wavers before then, remove him from the squad. My two cents.

Homer
Homer

Great comment. Spot on.

Lucas Sam
Lucas Sam

I think Wenger once commented that he expect alot more players to move on a free, because the wages are becoming overwhelmingly expensive. The only way for clubs to afford is to have sugar a daddy or sign players on a free.

TJDetweiler
TJDetweiler

See this is the absolute facts. Take away the fact they are footballers and replace their professions as businessmen or CEOs being offered bigger wage packets and the like, who would turn that down? This is a job after all, I can’t be mad that players dont love Arsenal like fans do.

The power goes to those who have the leverage and in this case Ramsey does. Yeah the club is to blame somewhat but if you know and believe you’re good at what you do, why would you ever settle for less?

Ordnance Dave
Ordnance Dave

Unless wage caps are introduced, this will be more and more common (players running down their contracts). You can’t blame the players, they only wan’t the best contracts they can possibly get (their careers are short and can be ended tomorrow by injury). Player loyalty just isn’t a thing anymore and let’s not forget clubs aren’t exactly loyal to players either. Arsenal was loyal to Ramsey when he was injured because he still had a long contract and the club needed to protect their investment. If he had come back a worse player, the club would have left him in the reserves and moved him on.

Michael Bolton Wanderers
Michael Bolton Wanderers

We gotta stop this bs with contracts. We’re making a joke of our selves

rellends
rellends

Sell him in January.

Sean
Sean

Ramsey is NOT, quote, a “big player.” Yes, fully aware he scored in 2 FA Cup Finals but he is nowhere near the level of player we should have in our starting 11. Guendouzi has come in and already looks twice the player Ramsey is. Same with Torreira. I honestly don’t understand this obsession with Ramsey. Maybe it’s the leg break incident but we need to be honest and look at this objectively, we can do a lot better in the centre of the pitch than Aaron Ramsey

Canador
Canador

I can not agree with you more. However bitter it is for Ramsey supporter, we can do better with another player.

Sean il liba
Sean il liba

The problem is Ramsey is not appreciated and he’s going and he has every right to.People don’t want to see him as a good player because it suits your agenda.Guendouzi is never going to be a box to box player like Ramsey is but arsenal fans want to act like they know it all(what a surprise!!!)now he’ll leave become a proper star because hell be appreciated and then everyone will come out blaming the club as per usual.If barcelona are interested in him that he’s fucking good stop acting li you know it all.

Gus Caesar
Gus Caesar

What an odd comment. People are entitled to their opinion on a player. I don’t see that any genuine fan of the club has an agenda other than wanting to see the very best for the club. What is frustrating is people launching into people for having an opinion just because it doesn’t suit their own.

I’ve never been a big fan of Ramsey and I agree with Sean that he’s not top level. If Barcelona think that he is then good luck to them but that’s also no reliable measure of the player – they signed Alex Song for Christ sake!

Sean il liba
Sean il liba

Every club makes mistakes so what.Even Real Madrid have made completely stupid transfers so what.I agree everyone is entitled to his opinion but your opinions are crap why? Because Ramsey is a good player who has suffered mutliple stupid injuries usually because of late tackles .I would have expected this to be obvious as well.This whole ramsey has never matched up to anything is a childish argument.So Barcelona wants him , emery wants him to stay but you’re getting offended because I’m calling your bullshit out???That’s very odd.

DBMÖ10
DBMÖ10

First of all Barca are in for Pogba or Rabiot, neither of the big English clubs look interested and the only concrete interest comes from Italy. Sadly as much as it might hurt you , Ramsey isn’t the player that we all thought we’d get 5 years back and certainly not the world beater no. 8 that you’re imagining. Also Ramsey’s skill set can be replaced pretty easily by getting a proper young no. 8 a d leaving the goal scoring to our forwards.

Sean
Sean

Tenuous link with Barca about 3yrs ago and it’s “Barcelona want him” I will happily bet £20 with everyone on this thread that Ramsey DOES NOT go to Barcelona. Not in Jan, not in the summer, not EVER. Who wants the bet?

Superanderslimpar
Superanderslimpar

Alex Hleb as well…..

Gus Caesar
Gus Caesar

Hey, I liked Hleb! Massively underrated! Let’s use Vermaelen instead.

afan
afan

massively OVERATED

Superanderslimpar
Superanderslimpar

I did too. The most playground footballer we’ve had.

But I read he actually scored ZERO goals for Barca….

Public Elneny
Public Elneny

Ramsey’s not a box-to-box player these days, he’s an opposition-box-to-half-way-line midfielder

Uba Ngenegbo
Uba Ngenegbo

He is now in the last year of his contract and Barcelona have still not firmed up that “interest “
Go have a lie down.

Absolut
Absolut

Maybe Ramsey has always been envious of Bale and his global standing. Not the worldclass player he imagines he is. Of course had that great season, but average since. Sorry for Ramsey’s injuries, but Ozil can be more effective, without Ramsey in the way. Cheers, Arron, but time to move on.

superanderslimpar
superanderslimpar

Guendozi is not “twice the player Aaron Ramsey is.” That is the daftest thing I have read on here in a long time.

IMHO, Ramsay & Ozil don’t seem to function together, especially as as we are also trying to shoehorn Laca & Aubamayang into the same XI. It’s been said a lot, but the Ozil wage is an issue, but if he hadn’t paid him & he & Sanchez leave in the same year, & I think that’s equally damaging. And Mesut & his agents knew that.

I love Rambo, & always have thought he gets a rough ride. But we have to operate with a finite amount of money, & if him leaving frees up some dough to buy a strong Centre Half/tricky winger, that’s all right by me.

Berlingoon
Berlingoon

Ramsey had his best season when Özil arrived. And Özil was as good in that season as he hasn’t been after. So to say they don’t fit together is evidently wrong. Ramsey‘s runs need someone who can spot them and pass him the ball in dangerous positions and Özil needs runners from midfield to create space. They can fit together perfectly. They just need a formation that suits them.

Superanderslimpar
Superanderslimpar

2013/14. 5 seasons ago. In a team with Giroud & Sanchez. This team is not that team, & you only to watch the games to see it doesn’t really gel. And hasn’t for a while.

Since Euro 2016, Rambo thinks he’s a 10. He isn’t.

Berlingoon
Berlingoon

Maybe that’s because he was voted number 10 of the tournament in these Euros. Something Özil hasn’t managed yet as far as I know. Although he has a bit better supporting cast at Germany than Rambo has at Wales.

Berlingoon
Berlingoon

Sanchez wasn’t there in Özil‘s first season.

Arsenala Vista Baby
Arsenala Vista Baby

Ramsey needs to up his game..he has been down in the pecking order now..

loose_cannon
loose_cannon

“Guendouzi has come in and already looks twice the player Ramsey is.”

Disliked for this. Fair enough you don’t fancy Ramsey as a player but this is frankly ridiculous.

Public Elneny
Public Elneny

I’d like to see Guendouzi given a chance in Ramsey’s position. His skillset seems more suited to an attacking position, with his excellent first touch, awareness and incisive passing, and frankly he can’t defend. But really, that central attacking midfield position should be Ozil’s.

Bydeen
Bydeen

On the bright side, the coach can now concentrate on balancing the squad as against courting Ramsey at all cost due to his contract situation at the expense of the team balance.

Iwobi or Mkhitaryan for Ramsey looks the easiest solution to the currents imbalances up top at the moment.

eternalflamini
eternalflamini

Miki for me as he has better end product, but Iwobi is fast moving up that list. Relieved if this means we’re not going to shoe-horn Ramsey into a system that doesn’t suit him.

Laca-Sead
Laca-Sead

I’m advocating for Guendouzi -Torreira (Pitbull) – Xhaka. Guendouzi is a box to box and proved yesterday he can play a more advance role. Wenger had an idea of a double pivot. Unai has a triple pivot on his hand, allowing more movement in midfield, being less predictable as all three are ball players and can receive/distribute the balls in between the lines.

Judas Mangogola

Ramsey is a good player but if he feels like going, Arsenal should let him go and look for a replacement in January

Gus Caesar
Gus Caesar

In may ways the club is dammed if it does and dammed if it doesn’t, so I have a little sympathy with these types of scenarios. When is the point at which a club should sell a player, particularly a very good player whose sale would get many fans up in arms? Personally, I would have a 1-year deadline on contracts and, if they won’t sign then you sell regardless. But I can see why the club might not do that. Ozil is a very good example of getting a deal done when there is less than a year left, it happens often at other clubs too. Would people really have been happy if we’d have sold Ozil to Man Utd and Mourinho in the summer of 2017 or even in 2016? Would they balls. The club would have been accused of mismanagement in the same way that they are now. Can they ever win if media outlets are always going to present the narrative of Arsenal being incompetent?

Don’t get me wrong, the club can and should be criticised. If it really did have a £50m offer for Ramsey in the summer then i’d have snapped it up. And maybe they were played beautifully by the agents in the summer – “of yes, if course Aaron will sign in the Autumn, Ivan”. But I can completely understand why the club might have let the matter drag on if Emery really wanted the club to keep Ramsey and he’s indicated a willingness to explore a new deal in the Autumn. If it was as clear cut as Ramsey only wanting to play abroad then I think it’s very unlikely we’d have let it get to this situation.

If it’s true that we’re now at the end point then the positive thing is that we no longer have to try and accommodate both Ozil and Ramsey in the same team. Limit Ramsey to the cups now and let’s go with Ozil central where he’s at his best.

thw14
thw14

You can’t sell regardless, that’s the problem. I think we’d have moved him on earlier if we could.

Anyway, I’m fine with Ramsey leaving. He’s a very good player but he’s in the one club that has a ridiculous oversupply of central/attacking midfielders.

As for the aside about Gazidis in the main piece – I think he’s very much responsible, but we wouldn’t have been held over a barrel by our good players if the team’s overall performances were generally better. A combination of bad transfer strategy and team management ensured we were negotiating with these guys having finished outside the top 4 twice. So, que sera sera.

Canador
Canador

I will be glad we sell and cash in. He has never been the greatest player in Arsenal. His form is always up and down. I do not see why Ramsey should get more than £80.000 a week.

Sean il liba
Sean il liba

It’s because he’s injury prone would’ve thought that was obvious.

Zenithreptile
Zenithreptile

To be fair mate, I sit outside ASDA playing a trumpet with my bum and singing Rule Britannia with the lyrics changed to “you’re all gonna burn in hell, you scum sucking fatbergs” and I still pull in more than £80 a week.

Zenithreptile
Zenithreptile

And I don’t work weekends

Bren
Bren

“His form is always up and down.” You just summed up every players career in those seven words. In fact, every human being.

We are all good sometimes and St other times we fuck up, it’s called life.

Trez
Trez

Love Ramsey and all, but I’m sorry he doesn’t deserve over 200k a week. Sad it’s come to this, but let him leave. Club were foolish not to sell him in the summer.
No way Ramsey should be looking to earn as much as Ozil. Ozil Is a bigger brand and isn’t as injury prone.
Sad he has to leave but it is what it is. Get a winger and an AM (the type Emery prefers) to replace him and then we can move on.

Donald's Trump
Donald's Trump

Having a laugh? Ozil is sick every other week.

Petit's Handbag
Petit's Handbag

He’s not very good. I’ve hoped for a long time he would be but he’s not. I’ll be sad that he never developed into what I hoped he would but won’t be sad too much to see him go unfortunately.

Sean il liba
Sean il liba

Just because he doesn’t suit your criteria of a great player doesn’t mean he’snot good.there’s a reason Barcelona are interested in him but I’m sure Barcelona are monitoring this chat to see what know it alls think of him.

Cyprus The Immortal Gooner
Cyprus The Immortal Gooner

Barcelona also signed Song from us…

jax
jax

Why go crying onto Positively Arsenal over your Ramsey crush?

Man Manny
Man Manny

Losing Walcott, Ox, Alexis and Ramsey, and later, Arsene within a season would have been too much change for the club in such a short period.
Now that a new manager has come, and we have all seen that Ramsey is no longer an integral part of how he wants Arsenal to play, I think the timing of the divorce is about right.
I think this is all on Ramsey’s camp wanting more money, and the club realising he is not the future.
I won’t be surprised if a replacement has already been found. We’d rather pay a new player a fraction of that money than give four years to someone who’s value is dropping by the day.
If he opts to go free in the summer rather than January, so be it.
A 50m hit won’t make Kronke – it is all his now, remember – go burst.

ninja toenail
ninja toenail

Chelsea were apparently interested in Ramsey, Fabregas also in the last year of his deal. Could we see a swap between those 2? would be better than letting both go for free…

LEFT08
LEFT08

I don’t want to see Fabregas back at Arsenal.

ninja toenail
ninja toenail

Id have no problem with it personally, most players have no club loyalty these days so i dont really care that he plays for chelsea, n I think he would offer more to this team than Ramsey is currently

Irrational Gunner

We should have signed Fabregas back from Barca when we had the opportunity just to keep him out of of Chelski’s hands. In hindsight, the perfect replacement for Santi. Of course, who would of knew of that circumstance.

Laudgunner
Laudgunner

Really mate??? Fabregas at this time!! Some fans

Anonymarse
Anonymarse

Fabregas and Ozil could be interesting.

Viv
Viv

He plays for the shirt no doubt,but I’ve felt that he has this problem of shooting when he should be passing and vice versa.also felt not slick enough on fast attacks…won’t lose sleep if he leaves….I believe we can replace him quite easily…good player tho

LEFT08
LEFT08

I wonder if Emery has been consulted before the offer was taken off the table. It appeared as if he wanted to build the whole team around Ramsey. I’m also curious to see if the stories on us going in for Banega have anything to do with this news.

Bren
Bren

I don’t remember this situation occurring, if it did it was rare, before Silent Stan and his wonderful company rode in on David Diens borrowed horse to rescue the club from directors who had some, some, passion for the club.

Why people wish to get Dien back after the way he sold us out for his own ends puzzles me. He was great with Arsène in the early years working hard and bringing in some wonderful players. Indeed, it was he that brought Arsène to the attention of the board and fought hard to bring him in as manager. For that I will always be grateful.

Maybe his importance and big headedness rather than greed took over, I shall be kind, but he is the main reason why we now find ourselves a toy of a man who’s main interest in sport is the cash it generates especially the cash it generates for himself and his company.

Does he care about his franchises, no, does he care more for his Arsenal franchise more than the others, yes because we bring in more money.

What happens if and when he finds another?

John
John

Ornestein is probably right but he is a jerk , with his pathetic reports he is ruining the image of the club , Arsenal should stop giving him information.

As for Ramsey , he has always been an average player , when he leaves the club we can finally get the winger we need , we already have 2 players that can play number 10 there is no need for Ramsey.

Bob Flannigon
Bob Flannigon

I disagree that it’s the club being “unable to sort out deals with big players”, that implies that you would expect the club to pay any demands for players that they want to keep.
I think most fans would want Ramsey to stay but not at any cost, so I don’t see why the club- whose money it actually is- should feel differently.

To preempt any comments regarding selling him before he enters the final year of his contract is ignorant to the fact that the club want to keep him and are hopeful of getting him to sign a new contract. They may feel that his performances would improve if he wants a new deal or wants a new club, and that represents value-for-money versus selling him with 1 year left.

I don’t think we should only see this as a failing of the club (not least as we don’t have all the information about how the discussions went or were going, say, over last summer’s transfer window).

Robstar
Robstar

Well said!
Again I will point people in the direction of players who are in the last year of their contracts, Man Utd could lose their whole defence including David De Gea next year for free.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/endendevertraege/wettbewerb/GB1

This is the way football is going, players are running down their contracts. Blaming clubs is football fan logic, ill thought out and kneejerk. We need to look at the bigger picture, is this the work of agents and players looking for a big pay day? Should agents be regulated and made to pay a slice of the fee back to the FA?

John C
John C

There’s no evidence with the link you’ve provided that that’s the way football’s going, only that United are letting a large number of mostly ageing and fringe players run down their contracts. With the exception of De Gea i don’t think any of the players on that list they’re in a rush to keep. If Martial and Shaw up their performances then i would include them too but the rest i don’t think they’ll miss or care about leaving.

Only at Arsenal have a large number of players in their peak years run down their contracts, nowhere else.

Runzac
Runzac

So far this season I haven´t seen anything from Ramsey that would suggest that he´s a top level player. He´s close but still not up there. If he really wanted to stay he´d accepted the offer. If not – thank you for your service. Bring in some physical steel to the midfield. Torreira is OK but he´s 168cm and 130 lbs.

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

The best DM is Kante.

Greg
Greg

So who is everyone going to blame when ozil still doesn’t perform when Aaron isn’t getting in his way?

Ali
Ali

Ramsey used to be a good, conventional box-to-box midfielder, with an knack of scoring goals. He is NOT a good attacking player further up the pitch. His first touch is poor, he lacks pace, and often slows down or completely deteriorates attacks. Somehow, after that great season he had back in 2013, the player and a number of fans have deluded themselves into thinking he’s a potent attacking threat. I would gladly sell him or let him go for free, and give natural attacking players such as Mkhi, Iwobi and Welbeck and opportunity. Hopefully this situation will allow that, as he is honestly an eye-sore in this team.

Laca-Sead
Laca-Sead

I won’t miss him. Apart from the half season he walked on water the welsh Jesus looked far away from resurrection. He looks average on his first touch, linger too long on the ball and doesn’t bang them in, I’d be surprised if a big Spanish team signed him up. If Ozil would follow suit I would be delighted, China loves poster boys, seems right for him.

Jack but
Jack but

Bad decision

DBMÖ10
DBMÖ10

Sadly the only box to box action that Ramsey has offered us these past few years is the opposition D to the opposition 6 yard box. At time he graciously came back to the half line maximum. I really feel that the goal glut season was detrimental for Ramsey as he truly left his basics behind and tried to be a pure goal threat.

santori
santori

He does more work than Ozil and came up with two assists last game.

Sadly many have their heads clouded by knee jerk sentiment.

DBMÖ10
DBMÖ10

Yeah a player who’s supposed to be an all action no. 8 does more work than a pure no. 10. Surprise. Surprise. Also as much as I like our players getting their individual stats buffed , one was a simple pass for Laca to stamp it into the top corner , the other was a scuffed shot that fell to Auba, after a break initiated by … Özil.
Don’t even know why a conversation about Ramsey , the player, should always involve Özil.

Laudgunner
Laudgunner

Really dont know why we kept him. If he wasnt going to sign, we should have let him go. There is no way he could that salary Ozil squeezed out of us. Hope just count our losses and take the cut-price. As for Welbeck, hope we give him the contract and sell him if possible.

Hantal
Hantal

I said the same about ozil and Sanchez last year.
In hindsight that alleged big offer from city on deadline day would have been pretty nice to have available

santori
santori

Ozil’s salary is even higher and for an older player not much more productive.

Happy
Happy

Some of these players feel bigger than their worth. Those that made name playing for Arsenal and turned round to be bigger than the club have been on the downward trend in their carrier. Ask them or check them out of they are better where they are now – Ox and Sanchez on my mind.

santori
santori

Not really.

Ox we should have forced to put pen to paper when Gnabry was itching for a start. Instead we lost both.

In the case of Ramsey, we have leverage as Ozila nd Mhki play the same function.

BUT when you look at how much Ozil is on, confirming Ramsey and selling the German on may be the better deal for us.

loose_cannon
loose_cannon

Well I think Ox is pretty happy where he is tbf, if not for his injury he’d have been playing in a CL final and a WC in his favoured position!

nakata
nakata

Swap him for Santi

afan
afan

looks like he is off then, shame, but you cant blame him

punter
punter

i am surprised by the amount of hate Ramsey gets from Arsenal fan..while everyone was sad and hopeful Jack Wilshere could blossom into something of a player, a lot of fans continue to doubt what Ramsey is about. We most certainly need to hold on to Ramsey, one of my favourite Arsenal players of the late Wenger era. One doesnt score two FA cup winning goals by luck. One of those goals alone means he has done more at Arsenal than Wilshere did.

santori
santori

Absolutely.

He is one of our more productive players.

When you consider how much Ozil is on, Ramsey at 27yrs is a better long term bet.

santori
santori

So…not much has changed.

All the rubbish about Mslintat/Sanheli bringing in a new era, instead we have same issues, pandering to players and not buying to dictate of squad needs rather ex Dortmund contacts.

We shold have sold Alexis to City. Instead we sold him to the one remaining bidder in United and lay ourseves prey to the agent Raiola. We were backed into a corner then to take Mhkitaryan, a decent player BUT not what the squad needed.

Had we sold Alexis to City, the Mancs would not have need for Mahrez. We should have spent the money on him (Prob would not have been as much as price quoted to City)

At present, IF Ramsey continues to avoid contract, we have Ozil and Mhki able to do similar job. Frankly it would have been better to have kept the younger player and sold Ozil. Pound for pound on salary, his output does not match money spent.

But if Ramsey continues to be an issue, we should sell him and get in a wide player.

Thauvin at Marseille is a good pick and is not cup tied. prob cheaper but cup tied -Hiving Lozano at PSV is another (albeit left sided) or Stephen Bergwijn at similar club. There’s also Carrasco in China (still only 24yrs but again left sided inverted), Fekir still available but Lyon a difficult club to deal with and cup tied. Plenty of options to balance the team better in January.

Ozenal
Ozenal

The only way Arsenal as a club can be seen as coming out of this ahead. Is if they have already negotiated a deal with another prestige player also in last year of contract.

I believe this type of exchange may become more common. But really plays into the hands of agents, especially super agents.

Uefa really needs to regulate agents for the good of the game.

santori
santori

Which is why all the criticism against Wenger/Law falls flat.

As mentioned repeatedly, a lot of control is outside the club.

It takes 3 to Tango, the club, the player and now more so than ever the agents.

Sadly most people have poor understanding of how this works never mind the intricacies of the market.

They prefer to pay heed to pundits who have never worked in the market or managed top teams/players. Go figure.

Empty vessels…

loose_cannon
loose_cannon

A lot of bitter and hyperbolic nonsense on here as usual when one of ours is about to move on. Personally I think it’s a shame but like with the majority of our ex-players I wish him the best when he goes (hopefully abroad).

Having said that, we now have to do our upmost to make sure this doesn’t happen again. For all the talk of financial prudence we are arguably one of the most wasteful clubs in Europe. Time and time again we’ve let ourselves be held over a barrel, either selling to a rival, letting valuable players leave for nothing (or next to) or paying extortionate wages *cough*Ozil*cough* or some combination of the above. We’re just pissing value away and it has to end now if we’re to have any hope of getting back to the top.

santori
santori

Again we pull the trigger late.

I feel part of the Mhkitaryan issue was a hedge on Ozil not signing the extension. That was complicated by the Alexis departure.

The other issue of course is who would pay for Ozil?

Truthfully this last summer was the correct time to off load and extend Ramsey. But a lack of buyers for the German meant there will always be two players vying for similar role even if we conspire to fit both in at detriment to squad balance currently.

loose_cannon
loose_cannon

This will be an unpopular opinion on here but I now think that, with things as they are, the best case scenario would be that we sell Ramsey AND Ozil in January, ideally abroad. But I can’t see Ramsey leaving then unless he got an unbelievable offer and I can’t see anyone matching Ozil’s wages or his price tag.

asda
asda

If he really goes for free, why should I wish him well? Just cause 200k pw is not enough for him? This is not a zero-sum game, he could have got 200k. He also could have got 200k and a move wherever he wanted and the club would get 50m. It’s not like if he gets Bosman he will get 5 year contract worth 400,000 per week and so he had chosen an option which is in total worse.

loose_cannon
loose_cannon

If he goes for free then that’s on us, we’ve had every chance to sell him but we haven’t because we couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery!

asda
asda

Just tell me how we had every chance to sell him if he didn’t want to?

craszy gunner
craszy gunner

I remember in the summer I was praying that the club sold Ramsey and used the money to buy a fast tricky winger maybe a Pavon or someone bright and upcoming

But it would seem no one was genuinely willing to pay good bucks for him…or maybe he led them on to believe he would sign under certain conditions and changed tune when the window closed…in other words the ozil technique

Why don’t we ever get decent offers for our star player I don’t fcuking understand…they always want to nick them for free..Even a world class player like Ozil FFS! did not have anyone willing to stump us any cash…Meanwhile Liverpool were able to sell Danny Ings for 24m…He is their 3rd choice striker FFS!..

The Ramsey boat has sailed we should only bother to discuss his replacement or how we can balance the squad..

santori
santori

Wages comparative to who else is available in market is the factor likely.

That coupled with performance of said player to wages they are on.

As example, Jenkinson, not that expensive but hardly a player you won’t say whose capability could be exceeded by someone-else from a cheaper league.

Ditto Elneny.

Then when you consider Ozil’s wages to output, its difficult to see a buyer.

Its a market so it is also incumbent on what alternatives the buyer has.

Having said that, yes a lot of mediocre players from other teams have been sold for more.

You suspect though that higher asking price may mean a slightly smaller wage package. Its front end loaded.

Where if our players are already on higher wages, that is more difficult to negotiate downwards.

santori
santori

The other issue is the Wenger era British core seems to be eroding.

To be clear there are sufficient homegrown when you consider Iwobi, Bellerin.

I suppose Holding, Smith Rowe, Nelson, AMN all have potential near term first team futures still.

Chambers and Welbeck a little more up in the air.

Anonymarse
Anonymarse

I don’t understand why we agreed a deal and then pulled out. V strange.

Vonnie
Vonnie

He was an Arsene favourite, I think Unai has probably looked at him and realised we can do a lot better, and we can. Ramsey is not nearly as good as he thinks he is. In the Premier League he it has taken him 434 shots to score just 36 goals, that’s pathetic. i’ll be really pleased if we sell him in January, and I don’t care where to. He’s like Sanchez and Wilshere, he’s not going to improve a top team.

Anonymarse
Anonymarse

He can be amazing but he’s pretty inconsistent

Pradeep Kachhala
Pradeep Kachhala

Could be a number of reasons
– deemed too expensive
– many similar players in the squad so is it money well spent ?
– does he have an injury which our hi tech medical team have discovered which means long term we will never get value from him ?
– has he annoyed arsenal during the negotiations?
– has the departure of gazidis left him without supporters for a new deal?
– has emery had a look and thought that he can do more with the likes of smitt Rowe or iwobi or ozil or mhitk?
– do we need players elsewhere in other positions to readdress the squad imbalance hence we need to free up wages ?

gendouziremindsmeofdiabysortof
gendouziremindsmeofdiabysortof

I will assume Arsenal withdrew the offer after Gazidis left for Milan. Wenger loved Ramsey, and evidently had convinced Gazidis of the same, but with him gone I believe the new group of decision-makers has decided to take another route…
I’m disappointed because I love Rambo, but such is the business..

santori
santori

Whatever we do in selling him in January hopefully, we need to reinforce Rwing.

Uba Ngenegbo
Uba Ngenegbo

Will say it until I am blue in the face; ramsey is rank average, will always be!

We should have moved him on last summer; he will end up in a mid-table club even as a free agent.

Richie

Sell Ramsey in the January transfer window and replace immediately. Could Sven pull Reus from Dortmund?!
I doubt we would get more than 20m-25m for Ramsey, but that’s what happens when you allow a player to run down a contract.
In England I could only see Chelsea or Everton realistically going for him. Maybe gazidis will take him to Milan. Now we know why he wasn’t in the Vorskla match day squad – so he wouldn’t be Europa cup tied if Chelsea, Milan, Sevilla came in for him, keeping his value higher.

Teryima Adi
Teryima Adi

Ramsey is not a player to lose sleep over. End of story.

George
George

I like Ramsey, but he is injury-prone and Ozil would be better back in the middle.

Futsboller
Futsboller

What worries me in all of this is Ornstein’s claim that a four-year deal was in place, but that Arsenal withdrew the offer recently before a final contract was signed. That’s quite different from the narrative that suggests Ramsey and his agent are the ones calling the shots. Is this a worrying sign that Kroenke’s new total control equates to a new ceiling on player salaries? Looking at the competition, this does not bode well.

George
George

Odd how perceptions can differ.

When I read that, I actually thought it a show of strength from the club. Admittedly without knowing any details.

Futsboller
Futsboller

Indeed.
Before I read Ornstein’s article, I thought this was laudable stance by the club not bending to a player/agent’s demands, but what froze me after reading it is that the four-year deal was in place (i.e., mostly agreed), and then the club withdrew it. The timing there is what worries me …

The Far Post
The Far Post

Somehow I don’t think so. Mainly because: contract negotiations had not been transparent prior to the 100% ownership anyway.

Futsboller
Futsboller

I do hope my suspicions of tightening purse strings effectively ending the Ramsey deal are unfounded and paranoid, and that instead there is good reason the club decided to pull out of a deal that was nearing completion. We will know in good time!

Billy Bob
Billy Bob

Tim Stillman’s article is interesting but I think the situation with Aaron Ramsey has made Emery’s life easier!!! If I were a betting man and a second attacking player was dispensed with, I’d guess it would be selling Ozil to a team in China!!! I don’t think that will happen but Ramsey is definitely on his way out – preferably in January!!!

King Kolo
King Kolo

I know what Blogs means by this situation being a mess… but even if it is I feel like that within days of Gazidis announcing departure, a contract offer being withdrawn for a great player who hasn’t played consistently well for about 4 years is a welcome bit of news.

Even if they get it wrong and he proves to be decent in someone else’s team we’ll replace him. A bit of decisiveness is necessary at this club. I wouldn’t be averse to Ozil being sold off (to China?) next summer either.

These players are good but I want Arsenal to be as good as Liverpool and City and I don’t think either player will commit to the kind of system that the very best teams demand their players believe in.

They are solo artists and we need a well tuned orchestra.

Point Percy at the porcelain
Point Percy at the porcelain

All this bollox is down to that departed fucking clown Gazidis. Not content with doing sod all on the commercial side to raise revenue in his tenure he lets the contracts of Sanchez/Wilshire/Van Persie/Chamberlain and now Ramsey run right down. That’s at least £100m we missed out on as well as letting Ozil get away with his extortionate demands to sign a new contract. And remember Walcott holding the club to ransom. Gazidis was an absolute fucking liability!!! A CEO should show leadership!
And now he’s gone to AC Milan and guess where Ramsey is linkjed to – yup AC Milan!!
Gazidis = Cunt

Guendozit!
Guendozit!

All I’m thinking about is another swap deal with that moron at old Trafford. Hell I’ll throw in Ozil as well for Pogba.

gwaza999
gwaza999

Move him on and get someone who is suited to the system. Rafinha from Barcelona is very handy against the press, creative and hardworking. He’s not getting much game time so should be pretty cheap too.

Arseluvr
Arseluvr

Let me add another perspective. Full disclosure: i am not from the UK, so i couldn’t care less about where Ramsey is from, but i do think that homegrown fact influences Board decisions waaaaay too much (eg, Wilshere and Theo).

Look, Ramsey has had some decent value as a player, especially before he had that criminal leg break. But at a time when the game’s popularity has been taking off internationally, his true value for the Board has been on the business expansion side – he is the Arsenal marketing team’s dream boy. He’s pretty like Justin Timberlake, has just enough skill, and adds a bit of UK pride in a league where the best players are from elsewhere. Even when he misses the net every game, (and oh yes, he does that very well), he puts on that adorable “aww shucks” grin. Sigh. Oh Aaron, score next time! Swoon! You know who didn’t swoon? Alexis Sanchez. Ask him if he enjoyed playing with Ramsey.

Having said that, i couldn’t wait to see the back of selfish, me-me-me Sanchez. its beautiful to see him and Mourinho nauseating the United faithful, LOL.

Back to Ramsey. Get rid of him. Let him see what he is worth to clubs in other countries. There are lots of other great players out there we can get who can take over his critical starting position in the team.