Arsenal suffered a humiliating 5-1 defeat to Liverpool at Anfield this evening, despite taking the lead through Ainsley Maitland-Niles. A Roberto Firmino hat-trick, coupled with goals from Salah and Mane condemned the Gunners to their biggest defeat since Unai Emery took over.

It was depressingly bad.

Read the Liverpool 5-1 Arsenal match report and see the goals here

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Jack
Jack

Can we just take a moment to appreciate that when Lichtsteiner first joined arsenal, people were saying he was going to be challenging Bellerin for the RB position. Once Bellerin is back there is no way Lich should be allowed anywhere near the football pitch again.

berlingoon
berlingoon

I never thought that he was a real competitor for Hector but I thought as a CD in a back 3 he could be quite useful with his experience. But he’s terrible. Makes more stupid defensive errors than Mustafi and Kolasinac together. Thankfully it’s just a one season contract. Was about as effective as the Silvestre signing.

Bob
Bob

Thing is, at juventus he wasn’t even particularly good defensively. He was always an attacking minded fullback or wingback and now his legs have gone I really can’t see what he offers anywhere on the pitch.

gooner1981
gooner1981

Is he on a one-year with an option of a second? No way he’s getting that second year. Disappointed with him from the 5 wr signed because it seemed so perfect, a battle-hardened, veteran, serial-winner on a free. Now he is such a liability every time a team runs at us. Maybe it really is time to consider starting Jenkinson, he can’t do any worse..
Hector, get back soon!

ricky rick
ricky rick

I thought it made sense at the time too, especially with experience and as a back up. He made 27 apps for Juve last year and made a big difference for them coming on vs Sp*ds in that game they turned around (granted with a much, much, much better back 4 and GK). I guess he was made to look a lot better by what was around him.

BidOnLard
BidOnLard

Suring the game was thinking – better have Jenks. At least he runs faster than Pool’s attackers walk…
And thinking we actually sent a decent CB on loan and have to deal with this lot. Oh dear.

Ric
Ric

What’s the point

viegunner
viegunner

it seems it’s only weeks ago that people were praising lichtsteiner’s shithousery, even in the NLD. i’m not saying there weren’t signs from the start (i. e. that he’s twice as old as his pass makes him out to be), there were and they were aknowlegded, but it feels like that unbeaten run did make us blind to some of our weak spots in spite of all of our caution

gooner1981
gooner1981

I’d still appreciate his shithousery, assuming he manages to catch to the player to begin, to commit said shithousery….

A Fleeting Glimpse
A Fleeting Glimpse

Just like to remind folk that Ozil played against Liverpool at the emerates and we pressed em and it worked. We played very well that day. Still let’s not let truth get in the way of a good myth. Ozil ain’t suited bla bla bla

Greg
Greg

Didn’t play against spuds either when we played the best we have all season

shaka
shaka

that was more down to foyth

shaka
shaka

when ozil is there they have fear

Deano

I can only assume Emery didn’t realise the pace of the premier league when bringing the player to the club and thought he would be a regular in the side. I thought Lichsteiner was just a signing that would have been a good influence in the dressing room and would only be involved in a minimal amount of matches.

What concerned me most today was when the whole defence was losing the plot that lichsteiner with all his experience didn’t have a commanding authority to calm the defence down and he was just dreadful and just a liability. He can’t be involved in a big game again….

David Beck
David Beck

Emery didn’t sign him – or anyone for that matter.

I AM ARSENAL
I AM ARSENAL

Niles and fucking Iwobi were our calmest and best performers. Embarrassing from all our ‘senior’ players.

Reality check
Reality check

I personally didn’t think he’d play this much tbh. I wasn’t expecting much from a player who hasn’t been a regular for Juve for good 3-4 years. What i did however expect from him is exactly what he’s brought to the squad and especially Hector – character.

Cagooner
Cagooner

Agreed. But why all the focus on Lichtsteiner? He was shit but really no worse than anyone else in the back line. Or Torreira and Xhaka today to be fair.

GoonerJust
GoonerJust

I expected we are going to loose, but at a more respectable score line. But it turned out to be a more respectable score line than the 8-2 Old Trafford trashing. It is crystal clear that our defense is the big liability, right from the beginning of the season but Emery doesn’t seem to know how to fix it. There is still 18 games left, still have enough time to do something about it….so please Emery, Sven, whoever….do something!

Kudos for Iwobi and Ainsley for making the 8th goal against them.

I AM ARSENAL
I AM ARSENAL

He….Has…..Us….Crying….Out….For…._Jenkinson

GunneRon

I would rather have Debuchy playing for us right now than Lichtsteiner. The guy was class as is evident from his form at St. Etienne after he left us. It was just unfortunate that he never got a run in the team as Bellerin was rarely injured and the fact that Wenger didn’t really trust him.

shaka
shaka

they also said that bellerin can learn from him….kind of like an older sheepdog. some people talk anything but football

Nofuture
Nofuture

There is much more to learn than just pure field based performances. If that were the case managers would be playing on field showing example.

Th14
Th14

I clearly stated it then that people were being blinded by their happiness that Wenger had left not to see that that wasn’t the right move. I said then that given his age, he won’t survive the fast and furious tempo of the Premier league. They told me he would “add experience and mentor Bellerin”. Same people who never saw the “experience and mentoring” qualities of Silvestre. Hypocrites.

IamaGoober

As much as I want to blame every single defender and say that they’re shit, it’s sadly just not that easy.

We’ve been looking at these same defensive errors for easily 10 years at this point.

Defending in the modern game is a whole team effort. And we simply do not do that at Arsenal.

If you watch any other team in the Premier League, every single player works hard off the ball, they’re intense when pressuring opposition players when they have the ball at their feet. They get out and try and press long balls. They get goal side of their opposing numbers. And make it difficult at every single opportunity. There is a genuine desire to defend and to defend well and to keep clean sheets.

At Arsenal there is none of that, and it shows, nobody is willing to take responsibility for doing basic defending. And until that’s addressed we will never ever win any league titles. Over 38 games you cannot blag anything. And up to this point we have been blagging it big time.

I really hope Emery can sort us out. It’s going to take a lot of effort, and a some decent signings. So I guess we’re going to find out how much the Kroenkes want to see Arsenal do well. Will they back him? Probably no. I think this will be us now.

hahahaha

Disappointing but I’m not losing my shit over this result. It just implies what needs to be improved up in this very early part of the new management and there is definitely time to improve. That’s the whole point of the revolution we all wanted isn’t it? Cause judging someone before he even puts together a team he is fully convinced of with the players fully in sync with what they have to do wouldn’t be right? If you are then you’re an unpleasable pickle cunt. What I’m saying is, will Emery get the resources i.e $$$ he will most definitely need come the summer for his plan to come into life? This is I believe very much what every supporter should ask. Is that Stan gobshite gonna fucken spend some money?
All of the top 6 spend big. City and United obviously, Chelsea will when they really want to, Liverpool got Van Dijk for a then seemingly ridiculous price but look where they are now, I’m even pretty sure Spurs will spend once they’re done with building their toilet ground. Why the fuck are we supposed to be sniffing around for baragians all the time? Torreira was great but I got fucken news for ya, you don’t get those every fucking window! We need to spend big if we are to get a top quality player in.
Result is pissing but the undeniable bigger picture here is if we don’t spend we’re going nowhere. This is Arsenal not fucking Newcastle!

GoonerJust
GoonerJust

Stan will not make your wish to spend big comes true, wake up pal, where have you been all these years.

Billy boy
Billy boy

I don’t know, I think he spent 140 mill over the past 2 seasons no?

Cagooner
Cagooner

Agreed. And it will be 10 years before the spud cunts can spend so don’t worry about them.

Toure motors
Toure motors

That was painful. There was no positives to be taken from that. Felt sorry for laca being sent onto this. Lichtensteiner should never play for us again. If mustafi was half as interested in defending as he was in arguing with the officials he’d be on the right track

canador
canador

….Lacazete is not better. 52mil for him to me is not worth it.

Leemillion
Leemillion

What

Alex
Alex

and £250 000 per week, but gets less attacks than Özil… Btw, i like Laca.

Toure motors
Toure motors

You’re absolutely right, ozil deserves at least some credit for not showing up before the game started….

Bob
Bob

The only small positive is that now the club have no excuse about not doing something in January and at least this is early in emery’s tenure so there’s still the hope of change because this felt very later stages of Wenger

Lula
Lula

Exactly. We’ve just been hammered 5-1 by the team we are supposed to be competing with (the message at least from the club’s official PR). I hated this but if it was going to happen then now is a good time. We just got hammered. Our defense was woeful. All eyes on the board now. We need defenders.

momozemio
momozemio

Still feel like we’ve been tortured during 90 min…
And my ulcer has reopen😰

Rich
Rich

We were shit, but Iwobi was better than a 5

Bobby
Bobby

No he wasn’t, he couldn’t make a pass in the second half…

GraeB
GraeB

Sorry Rich, but no he wasn’t. Runs around a lot, beats the occasional player then runs into cul de sac or passes to an opponent. He needs to move ball quicker and stop looking like a marionette.

Paul Roberts
Paul Roberts

Deffo a 6 I checked.

Santori
Santori

Sorry but better than rest of the team.

Iwobi was one of the better performers out there…which isn;t saying much.

Contrast Torreira whom a lot of the same voices like to wank to.

He was rubbish today.

I AM ARSENAL
I AM ARSENAL

Usually…But today he was ok along with Niles . Everybody else had their bulls cut off and legs swapped around

MrT
MrT

Yes Rich we were shit and we have been shit for years, so what can you expect from the only star player we have ‘ Ozil ‘ to do with this bunch of players around him ? Talk to me…

UnaiEmerysRedArmy
UnaiEmerysRedArmy

Other players around him- like the EPL’s top scorer
PEA ?

ArseArseArse
ArseArseArse

Why can’t Stan, Raul, Sven et al see that our defense is and has been shit for years and buying a few mediocre players won’t solve that? Also, I’m not even sure what he does anymore but surely let’s move on from Bould.

Canador
Canador

Bould is shit. The defence have actually become worse since he joined the coaching team.

Santori
Santori

Sven is bullshit.

he has been buying poorly and mainly old Dortmund players.

NOT what we needed.

Mhkiatrayn is not what we need. Could have got Mahrez.

Sokratis is OK only. Could have got a better player still.

Lichsteiner if it were Law and Wenger doing the deal would be called a band aid (and a used one)

Timsh
Timsh

January transfer window isn’t open yet. What where they supposed to do between August and today?
Do you really think they are just waiting around?
I’m pretty confident we’ll get 1 or 2 signings next month

ArseArseArse
ArseArseArse

I’m not talking about our defense being shit between August and January. It’s been shit all season since the start. Matter of fact it’s been pretty shit for years. Something has got to change.

N10
N10

I’ve suggested Bouldie out a number of times here and it hasn’t been a popular opinion.

That first Liverpool goal, Keystone Cops level incompetence, stunning, embarrassing. That looked like an uncoached group of guys. Could be the players only of course. But I lean more toward a combo of both player and defensive coaching incompetence.

I don’t trust Kroenke to do the right thing and get the A-listers we need on board. He’s a lowlife scumbag as far as I can tell. So it’s up to the three amigos in the front office to get Emery what he needs on the cheap.

Big rethink needed after tonight. Should be a massive walk up call: focus hard on defense, get a new defensive coach and a new central defender signed, now.

I think Emery is a good man and a good head coach. He deserves a fair shot, and we shouldn’t be judging his performance much until spring of his second year.

My guess is that we will now focus hard on Europa League and dial back top 4 ambitions, especially if we decide not to sign a central defender this coming month.

kas
kas

Maybe Bould was kept on to help with the transition of the new system & staff. Most clubs have some old lag X player on the books though.

Stevo
Stevo

Woof. Only bright spot today is knowing that this is the beginning of Emery’s project. It did take Klopp three years to make a mark on his team. Let’s hope with the right investment Emery can do the same.

TCGNR
TCGNR

Klopp had the unbelievably lucky scenario to have a star player wanting to leave the club. He cashed in on him and was able to break transfer records (as in, the transfer fee of a goalie and a defender) using that loot. It was incredibly lucky. If he sold Coutinho right now for the same price, that money wouldn’t buy them Van Dijk and Alison, it was all perfectly timed for them because defenders and goalies were semi-reasonable in price, so they were able to throw down on exactly who they wanted. Emery will have no such luck, unfortunately. Also, Kroenke doesn’t own Liverpool.

I mean, we *should* be doing what Liverpool did and spending 100 million on Koulibaly (for fucking starters), but we won’t, and somebody else will.

Bob
Bob

It’s not that lucky. They bought a highly talented player in coutinho when he was young enough to be cheap, developed him and then sold him on at a big fee. Klopp himself might be a little lucky but it’s not a situation we can’t create ourselves.

Maniac

Doesn’t help that we are absolutely atrocious when it comes to selling players. We get peanuts for anyone we have and then theres the ongoing contract sagas that we endure every year. Liverpool got extremely lucky with Coutinho because Barca have more money than they know what to do with and, when they decide they want a player, it’s just a matter of price. Other than getting bailed out by Barcelona, Liverpool leak money at a ridiculous rate, one that, quite frankly, we cannot afford and is not sustainable no matter the success it brings. That’s why we have Sven – so that we can secure quality players who fly a little under the radar for the right price. I’m not against a marquee signing every now and again but we cannot rely on making ridiculous signings to fill our squad every single window, especially if we’re never going to recoup any of that cash.

George
George

True. Pity no one is going to pay $140million for one of our players.

Devlin
Devlin

They would if we got them to play well enough, ut as we are right now, their values will keep dropping.

SaintSanti
SaintSanti

Klopp immediately made his mark on Liverpool. High press attacking football was implemented the day he arrived, but the results weren’t there. At the moment he’s got the results and his own signature. I do not see much of Emery’s mark yet, but I’ll give him more time.

Bob
Bob

I think his mark was obvious when we had a full strength side. It feels at the moment he’s managing game to game to try and work around our obvious flaws and lack of personnel.

The charma
The charma

Which personnel are you talking about?

N10
N10

Don’t know how many times I’ve said this right here. He deserves time!

Atom
Atom

This game was a stark reminder of how far we have to go to get to the level we want to be at. Mustafi has to be replaced. Ozil has been far too inconsistent the past several years and the same goes for Ramsey. We need a new left back, another winger and a replacement for Ozil (if we could get anyone to take him) / Ramsey. This should make it clear that we have to upgrade in the January window if we hope to make the top 4

I AM ARSENAL
I AM ARSENAL

Not allowed to criticise mr fa cup golden boy or i cant play big games away from home Ozil

UnaiEmerysRedArmy
UnaiEmerysRedArmy

If we hope to make the top 4…..like they say there’s only
2 kinds of hope of that happening – Bob and No.

Jeremy
Jeremy

Did anyone honestly expect any other result? Boring.

ricky rick
ricky rick

Hope is a hell of a drug friend.

Richie

No not at all. It’s the points dropped at Southampton and Brighton that pi$$ed me off more than today.

poldimacht

I think we were not great today but I’d really like to point out how awful the officiating was. Firstly, Salah dived no question. Second Lovren’s was a soft pen but the fact they were given stands and I can be okay with it but how the eff were we not awarded penalties for identical fouls on Kola and Laca. It’s blatant crap officiating and I’m sick and tired of it. The best league in the world deserves the best officials not the exact polar opposite of it.
Pretty disappointing result, I expected a 4-0 so nothing shocking. Only positive was Iwobi doing much better and looking the only dangerous player for the Arsenal

Pires4life
Pires4life

Yes, thats true but I think you are missing the bigger picture of the game today. Liverpool looked like scoring everytime they went forward. We had so many last ditch efforts. They also let go of the lever late on. You could tell they have another gear that they did not go to in the 2nd half. This means that we are even worse than the scoreline. It could have been 10-0 today (not kidding).

Pires4life
Pires4life

*I mean last ditch tackles

Richie

You’re right; take away Liverpool’s 2 penalties, and add the 2 penalties that we should have had, and really the game would have finished 3-3!

poldimacht

I think you might be hinting at sarcasm in that comment. Don’t get me wrong I don’t at all believe that we deserved to win let alone get anything from the game. But the officiating was absolutely atrocious. That challenge on Laca was absolutely a pen. Lovren went down like he was shot point blank while he probably indulges in the same kind of push for every set piece. That Mike Oliver was a straight faced bitch who cannot officiate a game properly

N10
N10

Spot on. VAR will sort the wankers out. I say that to hold onto the assumption there are SOME good refs in the league.

If anyone has done a deep dive on this issue and has a link, post it here, would love to learn more about it. Are they worse paid than continental refs? Worse trained? Are there lower standards for hiring and promotion? And so on.

People bitch about refs all the time, everywhere, but I’ve heard the drumbeat getting louder re Prem refs recently, perhaps in anticipation of VAR.

Goonerink

Also the fact we had 0 refs representatives at the world Cup says a huge amount.
Michael Oliver and Co weren’t good enough to officiate even mundane matches with the small nations.

ConfusedSquillaci
ConfusedSquillaci

Last I checked you couldn’t kick or push someone in the box and hope to get away with it. There were a lot of things to complain about in this game, but I’m not sure that’s one of them.

Also, you expected 4-0? Sounds like a pretty fucking miserable existence. Our defending was infinitely more shocking than any officiating in this game.

Tcfc
Tcfc

This was all About how shit we were not about how good Liverpool were. When you lose 5-1 you at least want to be able to hold your hands up and say the opportunity were good.

Any team playing Arsenal just know we are gonna fuck up at least 5 times in a match and that there goal will come. I also feel that all our goals come from counterattack and FB work. Our CMS just have no incisive passing. Against Brighton it was all long ball. Against Liverpool it was nothing.

Fed up.

GraeB
GraeB

Annoying that Michael Owen and Macmanamaman were able to use the Auba start on us today – touched the ball 7 times in first half – 4 of those being kick offs!

The unbeaten run was deceptive and, as said before, would have ended much sooner if we came up against a team that takes its chances.

Trapper

The unbeaten run did include playing Liverpool. Or are they not a club that takes their chances.
2 penalties that wasn’t
A fluke for the first. ( how many deflections did it need)
1 outstanding individual goal
That leaves 1 goal blamed on the defence. How many defenders are injured or coming back from injury.
We were never going to get anything from this match.
Emery now knows what this squad of players can do. What happens next is the important thing.
Move on

N10
N10

First goal was not a fluke, it was rank defensive incompetence. I think we need to ship out Bouldie (thanks for the memories) and get at least one high quality central defender.

Bob
Bob

The unbeaten run wasn’t that deceptive, in my opinion. As soon as we racked up enough injuries not to field our best 11 the deficiencies in the squad became apparent and we’ve struggled since. With better squad depth in talent and numbers we wouldn’t have collapsed like this. It’s up to the club now.

Gopi
Gopi

Started brightly but I think a lot of this rests of emery’s shoulders. How can he keep playing Lichtsteiner anyone can see the guy is costing us goal after goal. I know everyone is optimistic for the future but we really need to invest in this squad if we are to get anywhere near Liverpool. There isn’t much difference between this season and last in terms of defending I don’t think we r more stable we keep having defensive errors leading to goals conceded. I was laughing at Utd fans a few weeks ago saying their season is over but if they win tomorrow they’re right up our ass.
Hope we have a busy transfer window cuz we need strengthening and quick

Bob
Bob

Who else does he play? Maitland niles had a stinker last game in that position, there’s no academy prospect who sounds close at right back. When we lose Bellerin there’s no option but the option is a terrible one,

Emeryluck
Emeryluck

We have Jenkinson and he is much better than current version of Lichtsteiner !!

catbiscuits
catbiscuits

Iwobi is a mixed bag, but to his credit he always shows for the ball, regardless of how well things are going.

Torreirra is a good player, but I recall Souness saying that he’d love to face a 5 foot 5 player in central midfield, because he could bully him. Seemed to happen today.

Sad Gooner
Sad Gooner

Fabinho should have gotten a red.

ClockEndRider
ClockEndRider

Souness was a psychopath as a player guilty of one of the worst tackles I have ever seen. I couldn’t give a ratsarse about anything he says

I AM ARSENAL
I AM ARSENAL

Saw some ‘senior ‘ players really bottle it today. Iwobi has several mares to his name this season alone but he is fearless i give him that.

Tim Miller
Tim Miller

On a day like today, individual players ratings do not really matter that much. The goals conceded keep piling up. We keep making the same mistakes. Most worrying of all, we lack game intelligence. It’s like we play blindfolded, we cannot seem to be able to read and interpret any game situation and act accordingly. We go one up away at Anfield and we manage to concede 2 in the next minutes. If you read the game well and play with the tiniest bit of intelligence, that simply cannot happen. And I think we’re deep enough into the season to start to include the manager into the discussion of why we lack such (game) intelligence.

The Far Post
The Far Post

Unfortunately we’ve been dumb like that for many seasons now 🙁

Make Arsenal Great Again
Make Arsenal Great Again

Finally, a man who knows football. Emery is not the man for this job, I’ve said that from day one. I’ve been the only one banging that drum.

I AM ARSENAL
I AM ARSENAL

This does not even happen in Sunday league..Infact my teams backfour is better organized than these guys since 2008.

Jarrod
Jarrod

I just want a back line that does actively try and reproduce old episodes of the three stooges every single game.

Jarrod
Jarrod

Not*

Sad Gooner
Sad Gooner

Emery is doing nothing with the players we have , we are way worse than we were last season and we didn’t have Auba (Full season) , Torriera , Sok and Leno back then and it is really disappointing.

VoiceofReason
VoiceofReason

You can put Franco Baresi there instead of Sokratis and he would be helpless with Mustafi, Lich and kola

GraeB
GraeB

Rob Holding you know, he’s better than Cannavaro.

Bob
Bob

What are you on? When he had the players at his disposal we did well. Koscielny has regressed even further from last season, Mustafi is still bad and Sokratis does not suit playing with Mustafi whatsoever. There’s so much evidence we have bad defenders I don’t think emery can take all the blame for lack of talent, his sides have not traditionally been as woeful as this defence

Santori
Santori

Torreira was shite today.

Leno was a bundle of nerves.

Sokratis was also poor.

Auba was not sharp enough either.

Same result with or without these players, with or without Wenger.

The Charma
The Charma

Emery is Europa league material . If you expect better then you are deluded. He has had 6 months with the team but he can’t fix the defence. He has antagonized Ozil and yet he has no creative alternative in the team. How many chances did Ramsey create apart from lacking positional sense I think nothing! People are talking about injuries, to who? Belarine and nacho? Wake up. We have at least decent strikers and a potentially creative force that is under utilized . Then Emery can’t figure out anything !

shaka
shaka

the old era is over. Its now the europa league era

laudgunner
laudgunner

Emery – 2/10

He needs to cut out the arrogance. Lacazette and Auba can score out to nothing, they need to play together always.

Bob
Bob

And then you have no striker on the bench. Welbeck gettng injured absolutely fucked us.

Santori
Santori

I think he has been OK thus far this season and he is a good manager but he has made mistakes last two games when we have injuries stacking up.

BIG mistake not to play two up front today from the start. Last thing we should be doing is inviting trouble into our half.

They were not solid defensively and we could have really capiatlised on them with a second striker.

Poor decision not to put Laca in start of first half and even worse he pulled off Auba. We need the understanding.

Iwobi I thought was one of our better performers.

Midfield Torreira and Granit were swamped today. We needed the front part of the team to be more of a threat but they went soft after the penalty.

Emeryluck
Emeryluck

We have Nketiah, we need to give chances to the lad. Spurs did it with Kane, United did it with Rashford.

N10
N10

Agree w/ Bob. You have to admit, losing Welbeck and Holding, not to mention missing out on blooding Mavro, and even ESR, it’s all pretty shit luck. Mkhitaryan out today, Bellerin out.

Give the guy a fair shot. In this league it’s 3 transfer windows.

Frog
Frog

All I have to say is this:

We have Mesut Ozil, Lacazette and PEA.

Why the fuck aren’t they playing together?

George
George

Stunning isn’t it?

Frog
Frog

There is literally zero reason for this. I don’t buy the “Ozil injury” shit either. I’m not saying emery out or anything, but if he can’t get those three to play together, Emery out.

Bob
Bob

We’ve had years of Ozil consistently being terrible in these games yet the minute a new manager comes in and doesn’t rate him he’s apparently what we’re missing. Emery started Laca and auba together when he had welbeck on the bench, he doesn’t now so that’s obvious why they’re not both starting

N10
N10

TBF I fully expected Laca to get a start tonight.

MateKiddleton
MateKiddleton

“Tactical reasons”

There’s changing the team to suit the opposition every now and then, and there’s constant tinkering to the point where the formation and personnel changes every 5 minutes, and no one knows what they’re doing. How can you have defensive stability if we can’t string together at least two halves with the same personnel and formation?

Greg
Greg

Ozil clearly won’t work as requested. He wouldn’t get near pool city or spuds teams because he won’t work as a team. Salah de bruyne and Ericsson all earn alot less than ozil and are absolutely streets ahead

Maniac

What’s so frustrating is that we’re always the only team to do this. It was like this under Wenger and it’s the same under Emery. Any other club, you know they’re always going to put out the best players they have available. For Arsenal, you check the lineups an hour before the match, sigh and then try to convince yourself that it’s not that bad. We have Ozil, PEA AND Lacazette but only one of them played today. Imagine if only one of Salah, Mane and Firmino had played today…

I’m sick of these “tactical reasons.” There are a few players that are much better than the rest and they need to be starting. No point changing the personnel and formation constantly without allowing time for it to click. We’re halfway through the season so there’s really no excuse to not knowing your team by now.

MrT
MrT

Tell Mr Ego that… ‘ Tactical ‘ my ass

A Different George
A Different George

I think we need those three from the start with Xhaka and Torreira behind them. Torreira, by the way, pretty clearly needs some rest. Only Lichsteiner kept him from being our worst player yesterday (no matter how much Blogs hates Mustafi).

alex alexsson
alex alexsson

Very disappointing result, a hark back to the lateish Wenger era. Top 4 will no doubt be tough but one thing Emery has proved throughout his career is a proven track record in the Europa league, hopefully that will be our safety net. Also thought Iwobi was impressive tonight, one of the standout players across both teams, and finished with a great assist as well.

That being said, regardless of how detailed his player reports were before joining, surely the most obvious thing the team needed was its defence sorting out. That we’re conceding so easily from long balls week in week out is worrying. Seems to be a serious lack of structure & defensive organisation at the back. both from the new players and the old guard. No team in the prem this season has conceded 5 goals to Liverpool, home or away, and we’re meant to be one of the bigger sides…

I won’t really judge Emery on league position or results this season (within reason) but what I will judge him on is playing style, a clear plan for the time and signs from the performances that we’re moving in the right direction. Whilst there have no doubt been a lot of positives this season, we really need to tighten up at the back and make sure this is the last time we’re spanked by a big side away from home

truj
truj

Bonus rating: 2 for Unai Emery, because he is as responsible as his downrated players.

Bob
Bob

How? This is a team that has been woeful defensively for years and the club didn’t invest like they should have to sort that issue out. We’ve seen what auba has done, we’ve seen the benefit of Torreira but our defenders are genuinely poor. Emery will improve the defence from the Wenger era if the club actually buy some defenders who can defend

OnAnyBlock
OnAnyBlock

Bob, it is apparent a lot of fans are simply reactionary and knee-jerk. We have had substandard defenders and a poor defence for at least a decade of the previous managers tenure…how is that supposed to be magically resolved in 4 months and with two stop-gap recruits??

Our bench today contained Saka, Willock, and a clearly unfancied Elneny. Let Emery work and let us hope the recruitment team bring in better players like Torreira who can execute what the manager wants from his team.

VoiceofReason
VoiceofReason

Mustafi or herpes?

George
George

At least we can get rid of Mustafi.

VoiceofReason
VoiceofReason

Not sure. I think Arsenal are stuck with Mustafi, Jenkinson and Callum Chambers for eternity

Public Elneny
Public Elneny

Callum Chambers is good!

gozzlehead
gozzlehead

And truth be told, I like Jenks.

Viva la Prof
Viva la Prof

Total gash that was, I actually started doing chores in the house after the first hour. That’s never happened before.

Giuseppe Hovno
Giuseppe Hovno

I turned my laptop on to do some work…

Aleksander Włodarz
Aleksander Włodarz

At least Klopp wasn’t showing off his false teeth that much tonight … a small consolation on a terrible day for AFC supporters 🙁

George
George

Haha. He really is a weird looking fucker. I want to see a cage between him and animal from the muppets.

N10
N10

No it’s not Animal it’s Dr. Teeth!

Vonnie
Vonnie

Auba plays better when Laca is on the pitch. Mikhi was creating a good partnership with Hector at one stage before they both got injured, and Unia stopped them playing like that. Every team has players that work together and ones that don’t, at the moment we have so many changes that partnerships and understanding cannot grow and it’s not just because of injuries. The team looks mentally and physically exhausted, and if I hear about “work” once more I think I’ll be sick. The work and the tinkering are ruining our players, they are looking like they did at the end of last season, when they were being abused left, right and centre. Unai needs to stop the work and re-assess the process because it’s not achieving anything.

jon

They are very young and easily influenced by setbacks, lack of fan support and bad press. I looks like they take it out on each other, the referee etc. Emery must create a group. There must be a “we”, if possible with mutual friendship and solidarity. We win together, we lose together. We believe in what we are doing. We believe we are progressing.

But there is an unpleasant feeling that a rather big part of the current players should get a job elsewhere.

Vonnie
Vonnie

They’re not kids and they’ve come back from worse than this in the past. We had that group at the beginning of the season, but it seems that they are no longer sure of what they’re doing, and don’t believe they’re progressing. The manager needs to adjust to the league and the players, not just blindly push on with a process that isn’t improving anything. These players know full well how toxic it can get when things go wrong, which is why the panic seems to be setting in. Unai needs to take a step back and regroup. That means playing to our strengths, getting all the players on board and getting the confidence back.

Billy Enfield
Billy Enfield

Simple illustration of what you are saying…
At half time before players came to the tunnel, Sokratis was trying to point out at Mo Salah that it wasn’t a Pen. 3 Liverpool players jumped quickly (led by Van Dijk) on Sokratis. No Arsenal players to be seen anywhere near to defend their team mate. I guess they’re too fucking busy scratching their arses

Bob
Bob

This comment is embarrassingly short sighted

Billy Enfield
Billy Enfield

Why is that embarrassing comment, mr one liner???
Because highlights the lack of togetherness in our team???

N10
N10

I agree with the fatigue and lack of cohesion. But a lot of this comes with the territory of a manager’s first season, figuring shit out, changing it up. This is especially the case for the first new boss since 1996 (!), almost every player on the squad shook Arsene’s hand signing their contract.

Arsene pampered these guys and there’s some maturity issues with a few of them (Ozil cough). Now’s a great time for Emery to get closer to his group of guys, draw a clear line in the sand with management about the need for 1 or 2 new key signings ASAP, and continue the positive, can-do attitude.

PV4
PV4

In a world where normalcy prevails the persons who scouted and signed Lichtsteiner shouldn’t have a job right now. That guy is the worst arsenal player I have seen since I fell in love with this club in 2001. Guess what… he will start the next game. This tells you who low the arsenal has fallen. Making anyone play with that chap is cruel and unusual punishment, and the 4th amendment prohibits that. I saw a loss, but 5:1? This hurts. A comic equalizer and two avoidable penalties ensured the embarrassment. Moving on.

Richie

Leitchsteiner had a good career at the best team in Italy for seven years, and we got him on a free transfer. On paper, not a terrible signing. I just think the pace of the Premier League has proved too much of a shock to his system. He’ll be gone in 5 months, probably to West Ham.

I AM ARSENAL
I AM ARSENAL

He is already close to Silvestre and Squillaci.

Cheetoh slick
Cheetoh slick

Three at the back has to die. We play like shit.

Olave
Olave

We didn’t play three at the back today

A Different George
A Different George

Really? So Lichsteiner was a midfielder? Or he was the fullback and Maitland-Niles was NOT a wingback?

I AM ARSENAL
I AM ARSENAL

Its the only way to get Kolasinac on the pitch. You saw hat he did 2day as part of a 4.

Canador
Canador

The team was useless…the only consolation in today’s match, is that it helped us to see how weak and poor our defence is. The only player that performed today is Iwobi.

Edzo
Edzo

We got our arsenal back.

Emery showed great tactical awareness by dropping ozil for some mysterious knee injury and making sure lacca and auba don’t play together.

Could you imagine if ozil played as a number 10, lacca played the 9 and auba played on the wing with Ramsey as a derp lying mid next to Torreria.

We would lose like 5 to 1.

Well, at least we made two amazing acquisitions this summer to improve our defense. Sokratis and lich are giants of the game.

Bob
Bob

If Ozil had played maybe it would have been 7-2

IceBerg10
IceBerg10

you are repetitively tiresome

Clay
Clay

Ozil played against them at home it was 2-2

Kostas
Kostas

10/10 for closing the tv at 2-1

jon

Football is a welcome alternative career for those who were not that good at algebra at school. Still, stupidity must have its limits. The manager should read out the law:

1) Don’t dive
2) Don’t stop playing, gesticulating with your hands, in the hope that the referee will reward an offside, a free kick or whatever. He never does, and you look like a wet donkey.

This will also make it easier to do my duty as a fan: Back the players during a difficult time. Now, I just think sell, sell. Give away, employ in the souvenir sale.

Norn Iron Gooner
Norn Iron Gooner

What the fuck!?

Billy Enfield
Billy Enfield

What are you going on about???

Bob
Bob

I think the manager has done a great job until now but there’s only so much you can do with these defenders and our lack of technicians as well. No more Wenger to hide behind for Kroenke, I hope they back the manager or this will all get very familiar.

DB10 flew to Nairobi
DB10 flew to Nairobi

Went to the pub, ordered a meal before kick off. Told them if it came during the game I would not pay because I don’t like eating while stressed. It arrived 30 minutes before the 1st half. I enjoyed the meal, I knew we were going to get spanked. That is usually something I knew about Wenger’s teams before a game like this. Sad that I am now saying it about Emery’s side. And if we know it, best believe the players know before kick off as well. Also, all this hype around our new scouting team and all that and the best we can do is identify Banega and Cahill while losing Ramsey and Ozil? Really? Wow.

Dholio
Dholio

It’s all Ozil’s fault!! Clearly

Devlin
Devlin

I mean, how can it not be? He was just invisible in this game. Might as well have not even been in the stadium.

A Different George
A Different George

He never tracked back. Not once.

Nameless_Gooner
Nameless_Gooner

We always look like conceding.. We’d be better off with some standing poles that don’t dive in and embarrass themselves.. Defence is the issue I hope we work on it.. in the last month 5 points lost against Soton & Brighton was actually worse than this 3 points lost.. we need new players..

Edzo
Edzo

On the second goal when 3 arsenal players fell down, if that’s not enough to convince the club that we need to spend 150 million on 2 central defenders who are world class then we are a 6th place team from here on out.

I like emery even though he’s thinking too much and subbing here and changing lineups like crazy.

But buying more average defenders for 20 million bargains just won’t cut it. The manager needs serious cash to spend at the back, even though fans will blame ramsey and ozil for our mediocrity over the past two seasons.

Play a front six of lacca, auba, ozil, Ramsey, Torreria and a winger better than iwobi and mhick then they can create with freedom if we have two world class cbs.

DB10 flew to Nairobi
DB10 flew to Nairobi

I would rather lose 5-1 with Ozil, Laca and Auba starting together btw. That is all.

Bob
Bob

This is the sort of comment that makes me really start to wonder about our fan base right now

IceBerg10
IceBerg10

Did I mention how repetitively tiresome your regurgitations are…..

OnAnyBlock
OnAnyBlock

It is clear that a lot of people do not understand the intricacies of football, which is why they spout the nonsense they do. They love a ‘big name’ but don’t understand how vital a player who works hard to execute their managers tactics does to cohesion and a positive result

DB10 flew to Nairobi
DB10 flew to Nairobi

You spout nonsense. That “Tactical”midfield with no Ozil in it still let liverpool waltz through the centre of the pack while attacking. That “Tactical” forward line with no industrious striker only managed 1 pass(according to stats) into the box. Come of it, we have players who CAN make a difference, we did not use them yesterday. My point is, at 4-1, the sub should have been Laca and Kos, we had nothing to lose. We didn’t really go for it. We all know our defence is terrible, but atleast we score goals, yesterday we were woeful all over. Don’t talk about cohesion as if Arsenal is the first team to use it. Even teams that finish 20th factor in cohesion, if you do not figure it out though it counts for nothing.

Bogdan
Bogdan

I gave Xhaka half a point solely for showing he actually gave a damn and was pissed off when he kicked that ball. Goes nicely with deducting 7 for how abysmal and invisible in the midfield he was.

Too bad that (imho) a pretty good game by Iwobi got washed away by that dreadful shitshow of everyone else.

The bright side? I think every single weakness of this team has been on display tonight and if this is not the sign that certain things need to improve, I don’t know what is. It’s better that we lost this 5-1 than a close 1-0 defeat spiced up by more “close game” excuses.

Pretty please, with the sugar on top, get a proper fuckin defender, NOW.

Goonersaurus
Goonersaurus

Kalidou Koulibaly is the answer, but I doubt admin will break the bank. That’s why as Gunners, we are in for a long spell of frustration …

jon

There is a £200 million hole in the squad. Our offensive players are probably good enough, but behind the attack there are only four that play on a level sufficiently high for this team’s ambitions: Socratis, Bellerin, Guendouzi and Torreira. The rest should play in cups nobody have heard about, in countries that are only mentioned in connection with earthquakes or civil war – or flip hamburgers in Hackney. We need three defenders. We need a midfielder. We could be well helped with a wing as well.

Nick
Nick

Ramsey had some bright moments? He was absolute garbage. The defense was pony, but we had no chance with him in the number ten role. Europe’s biggest clubs are queuing for that clown? No chance.

DB10 flew to Nairobi
DB10 flew to Nairobi

Ramsey was terrible today. He is a good player but Arsenal is not the club for him. 2 Arsenal managers can not figure him out but he is constantly pulling up trees for the welsh team. I think the move is a good idea for both him and us.

Alex
Alex

Welsh team? Even not at the latest WC. Ramsey should have been pulling trees elsewhere then.

IceBerg10
IceBerg10

Spot on. The only bright moments he had were that glow of embarrassment he gets after every misplaced pass

I AM ARSENAL
I AM ARSENAL

I noticed that ridiculous look he gets as if whatever he was trying was unlucky and not just shit

Tomek
Tomek

Not happy with Emery. He’s persisted with some strange line-ups and selections, to the point where he’s risking playing Lacazette out of form. (All those Mikhi starts??) And I wonder if Ozil isn’t paying the price for the humiliation Emery suffered as Neymar’s number two… and even if you sympathise with the difficulties Ozil presents, the manager’s paid handsomely to get the best out of our best players, not alienate them to the point of exclusion – he’s failed there, it’s a fact. And he reminds me more and more of Allan Partridge with every defeat.

A Different George
A Different George

By the way, the situation with Ozil is completely different than Neymar. The owners of PSG, for reasons that have nothing to do with football or making money, need the club to be one of the best-known and most talked-about in the world. Buying Neymar (or Messi or Ronaldo, and probably no one else) does that.

Goonersaurus
Goonersaurus

If anything, this debacle proves that we do need reinforcement at center back. In my humble opinion, for a Arsenal to regain respect among the great of Europe, we need to sign 1st rate players. We need to compete for Kalidou Koulibaly, the best center back on the market. Go crazy, break the bank and bring him in to stabilize our horrendous defense.

Monkey knees
Monkey knees

No positives apart from AMNs goal… This is just clarification of how far behind the best in the league. Was bound to happen!

Lord Bendnter
Lord Bendnter

RB
Bellerin – injured
Lichenstiener – too old to run, so can’t play there
Jenkinson – for some reason the manager never chooses him

CB
Kos – just got back after long injury, not even properly match fit
Sokratis – in and out with injuries
Mustafi – just got back from injury, first game back tonight, only played 45 min
Holding – injured
Movrapinos – injured, also too young
Chambers – on loan at Fulham
..being played as a CDM by Ranieri…

LB
Monreal – injured
Kolasinac – sucks

That’s our defense

Me2
Me2

Arseblog
Why can you only vote in 1/2 star increments?
I wanted to give zero stars to most of them because when I feel embarrassed I don’t want to give any credit and 1/2 a star is suggesting they are not utterly fucking useless – which they are.
And as for Emery it amazes me that for a manager who, according to past players would scrutinise games for hours to identify weaknesses and solutions and yet fail to recognise that our defence is a complete shambles baffles me.
I am becoming disgruntled after being relatively gruntled.
And we need to look after Ozil – I hate to think what serious, life threatening injury he could sustain if the wind were to change direction without warning or a small fly were to collide with him at speed…

Billy Enfield
Billy Enfield

Lol @ Me2
Second on that “Zero” score.
Ref: Ozil… The word coming from the grapevine has it that he’s accidentally broke his nail while was applying nail polish

Billy Enfield
Billy Enfield

A couple of weeks back, I said that I saw signs of Arsène Wenger’s – time attitude and I was thumbed down.
After we scored today, we looked like completely disjointed. That old attitude from previous seasons cropped back into our players. Players stopped asking for the ball and trying to hide, so no team mate would pass to them. Leno was looking for a defender to pass the ball but our defender were hiding, so he was forced to go long. But the problem with that was that you need your midfielders and strikers to be close to each other so the can win the second ball (which unfortunately Liverpool players had the intelligence to apply it successfully).
We did not even attempt to press for the ball.
Why on Earth was Laca on bench? What was Unai thinking by leaving our most industrious player out?
Boy oh boy, who was playing under NR 11? Reminded me of Ozil’s running about (like I do in the park).
And don’t even get me started on defence. I think that a great GREAT chunk of the calamity for tonight falls directly on Steve Bould. I’ve argued that even under Wenger. No matter what Wenger or Emery tells him, he’s there to do his job. And with what I have seen thus far of him, it’s next to nothing. We have conceded 30 goals so far. That’s a relegation defensive performance. The teams above us have conceded (respectively) 8; 21; 15; 16. It’s only us and Utd that have leaked in so many goals. I mean, we all know why Mancs leaked so many goals, they wanted Moaninho out! What does that say for our team?
I kind of expected a hiding tonight, but not expected to gift wrap them 4 goals. They didn’t even have to break a sweat to get 5-1 and that’s what’s alarming

Monkey G
Monkey G

Emery 0/10 – mastermind behind today’s ‘performance’, P45 in the morning. #EmeryOut

Monkey knees
Monkey knees

Emery is not the problem. Sitting 3 points off 3rd. Halfway through the season. We need a lot of quality fresh blood, but he has done the best he can with whst he’s been given. 22 games unbeaten. Spurs just about did 7 and everyone was raving over them! Supporters like you (loose terminology, there) are thr issue. Grow up.

shaka
shaka

Le Poseur

Paul Roberts
Paul Roberts

Sack the manager and sell everyone!

N10
N10

Sack the owner!

I AM ARSENAL
I AM ARSENAL

Really wont to hit people when they try and argue that Mustafi is a good player. All he does is bring chaos and a lack of responsibility. Hes the ultimate point and shout player worse than over the hill Flamini.

OnAnyBlock
OnAnyBlock

A one man panic station. Reckless slide tackles, sprinting out to ‘cover’ a full back who doesn’t require his involvement…a shambolic transfer and waste of over £30m

Stephen
Stephen

From the beeb.

Arsenal are now without a win in their last 20 away league games against fellow “big-six” opposition, losing 10 of their last 12 such matches.

Santori
Santori

Might as well had Wenger in charge. This result was no different from past hammerings.

And despite what some may say we are no better position-wise than last season.

Last couple of matches, gaffer got his subs and selections wrong.

Understandably we forgive him bc he has been mostly right till now and he is hampered by what he has before him.

BUT as I mentioned MANY TIMES, we have not been buying well with Mslintat.

Mhkitaryan has been forced upon us bc we refused to take a lower offer from City for Alexis and were panicked about losing Ozil. We could have brought in Mahrez to the right side of attack before City came in late for him.

Lichsteiner perplexed me. Granted we needed him bc of the crisis at fullback but why we could not get a better player in the position is beyond me. No offense to Lichsteiner and no fault to him bc he is way past his best at present.

Sokratis to me is OK. I don’t see why we are so excited about him. We could have gotten better 29yr olds.

So coming in to player critiques, we did not do what we needed to securing the back and lost the plot (and the fight) after the penalty.

1) Leno – Looked nervous throughout the game.

2) Lichsteiner – When I saw him on the starting line up, I knew we would struggle. Culpable for two goals at very least. He should have seen the line but played their player on and did not have the legs to track back for the Mane goal.Hit the ball into Mustafi instead of clearing it (Again Mustafi presumablywill take the blame from some quarters)

3) Sokratis – Shaky too. Again for the Firmino goal (like Mustafi) should not have committed to ground. NO where near Mane for their second. I mentioned the dangers of Sokratis and his Pankranteon in the box and we were duly punished this time with the penalty.

4) Mustafi – Naturally some people will blame him but I fail to see what he did wrong. Again sould not have gone to ground maybe like Sokratis against Firmino but otherwise we were all over the shop and it was not due to Mustafi. Had a decent attempt at goal. That we pulled him out second half may be further bad news as it is likely a fitness issue bc Koscielny coming on did not make us any more solid and we rode our luck by the skin of our teeth second hald in the back 4. That they did not score more more bc they went into second gear as we were so subdued.

5) Kolasinac – Unlucky to concede the extremely soft penalty but should know better. Could not assert himself further forward, Run ragged at the back.

6) Torreira – I mentioned last game against BHA, he was POOR. He was poor again this game being beaten 3 times in first half in one on ones. Has he hit the wall?

7) Granit – Almost lost the plot kicking the ball away. COmbative and moments of brilliance playing the ball into Ramsey but generally our midfield did not hold firm enough.

8) Ramsey – Some good moments but not enough. We miss Ozil this game and I felt we would have been better served with two up front and the German in support. Thought we may revert to two up top with Ramsey in the hole but Emery inexplicably waited till 67th minute and then hauled off Auba.

9) Iwobi – About the only player for us who tried to make something from nothing till the very end. As I’ve said before he is one of the only players who can take on and beat a player or two in our current squad. We need someone like him out right too but Nelson is out on loan. Tried to engage and make things happen for us but our players have not been fluid in recent games.

10) Auba – Needs to be better. Had a moment he should have put the ball into the net (Called for an off side) but he skied it from 2 yards out.

11) Laca – Should have been brought on at start of second half. And we should have kept Auba with him. We should have in fact started with both so we could press them higher (they were not without mistakes)

Laca I like bc he is robust and tries to make things happen in tight confine, holds the ball and distributes well for us. EXTREMELY unfortunate the ref did not call the penalty.

12)Guendouzi – Came on. Not much effect. We are out of players that can make a difference from the bench. If anything we never had enough in the first place since last season and it has NOT been addressed by Mslintat and company.

13) AMN – Forgot about him. Got the goal BUT too far up the pitch all game and exposed Lichsteiner way too much. Learning experience for the young player but I also felt he was at times too lacklustre. He needed to be far more invested in this.

Overall – Another tepid performance. You’d have thought Wenger was in charge.

PaddyVieira
PaddyVieira

Mustafi is an absolute liability and has been POOR since he joined. Lichsteiner should retire, legs are gone, when he played for Juve he had Chiellini and Barzaglia as fellow defenders and Serie A is played at a slower pace. Torreira had a bad game and looks a yard off the pace but will come good again. Xhaka is just too slow and is petulant. Lacazette should have started.

N10
N10

Not bad comment overall but Mustafi was poor, come on.

Billy
Billy

I thought Xhaka was better then Ramsey, though it’s moot as they were both pretty bad like everyone but Maitland-Niles and Iwobi who looked like they cared.