Reports: Juventus confident of Ramsey capture

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Reports in various Italian outlets claim that Juventus are increasingly confident of signing Aaron Ramsey from Arsenal for free.

The Welsh international can sign a pre-contract agreement with any European club from January 1st, due to the fact that that his current deal expires in June.

While some are advocating a sale when the transfer window opens tomorrow, the reality is that the 27 year old has more options available to him if he chooses a Bosman departure.

There is interest from PSG, Bayern Munich, as well as both Chelsea and Manchester United, but the Italian giants are keen to tie up the deal quickly and reunited him with former teammate Wojciech Szczesny.

Whatever way you look at this, it’s a poor piece of business from the Gunners who are losing a player for nothing who could have brought in a significant transfer fee last summer. That money could have been used to reinvest into the squad, and we still face the task of replacing him with fewer resources available.

Danny Welbeck, another player who is out of contract in June will also leave for free, and contract management must be high on the agenda for Head of Football Raul Sanllehi who has already earmarked this area as one in need of significant improvement.

Ramsey, the club’s highest scoring central midfielder of all time, and someone who scored two FA Cup final winners, now appears set to depart after a ten year spell in North London.

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PeteyB
PeteyB

Will be sad to see him go, but can certainly understand why he’s tempted to give something else a go before he gets to old. Having an old friend on hand I’ve no doubt would also be attractive.

Gooooooonnnnaaaaaaaa
Gooooooonnnnaaaaaaaa

Regardless to people’s opinions of Ramsey, this is a poor piece of business from Arsenal, regardless to whether we rate him or not.

Hopefully the new team above the manager can address this and prevent such a thing from happening in the future.

Having a player like Carl Jenkinson leave on a free is normal, having our highest scoring CM of all time, someone whos scored the winner in two FA Cup finals leave on a free in unacceptable.

IamaGoober

Aaron has been absolutely class for us down the years. I suspect that had he not have suffered that horrific injury back in 2010 away at Stoke. I genuinely believe he would have become one of the best midfielders in the world. Some of the stuff he was doing back in those early days before his injury were sublime, stuff that was truly remarkable for a player of his age.

And its stuff that we’ve only really seen glimpses of since; the goal he scored away at Norwich, or the one against Liverpool at home, or who could forget that goal against Galatasaray. There’s no doubt that he is still a top drawer player and has been great for us. But there is just this niggling thought in the back of my mind that makes me believe there was an untapped gear in him that we never fully saw due to that injury. A gear that would’ve pushed him up into the upper echelons of truly class European midfielders.

So yeah, I will be sad to see him go, but I don’t blame him for going. And I have to respect that fact he opted to take a contract abroad when no doubt there probably are suitors for him in the Premier League.

I wish him all the best, and I will definitely tune into the odd Juve games when I can to see how he’s getting on.

Levonson
Levonson

Totally agree. after the injury it just seemed he wasn’t quite as dynamic off the mark (a burst of pace that got him to the ball ahead of shawcross)Watching the clips of him in his teens does leave with me with a sense of what if. Good luck to him.

skylark
skylark

You said it. He’s the longest-serving player now at the club, came back from brutal injury, never stopped running, didn’t hide when things weren’t working out for him, scored important goals (has anyone else got two FA Cup Final-winning goals to their name?), contended gracefully with the unwarranted stick he got as a lightning rod for fan dissatisfaction in the late Wenger era, and continues to give his all even as his exit approaches.
I for one would be delighted if the club could, for instance, ease Ozil gracefully out of the door in January and use some of the money saved to offer Ramsey an offer that would keep him at Arsenal. I am guessing that’s not going to happen, however, so good luck in the future, Aaron. And thanks in advance for not joining a Premier League rival.

Berlingoon
Berlingoon

Honesty, for me the treatment Ramsey gets from the club as well as from big parts of our supporters is way more damaging to my love of this football club than bad results are. He’s with us for more than a decade. He broke his leg for us. He won us two cups. He got more than 50 goals and 50 assists for us. And there hasn’t been a single fucking game after wich you could have accused him of not giving everything. He’s handled the whole contract situation mess very professionally and against Pool him, Iwobi and Maitland-Niles seemed the only ones who really cared. And nevertheless he gets treated as if he’s been shite for ages and nicking a living or something in London. And that from fans who can’t even manage to appear at Europa league games or create any kind of atmosphere inside the Emirates unless we’re winning against Spurs but are leaving after 70 minutes when we’re losing at home to them. But guys like Ramsey have been the problem of AFC over the least decade. Self-righteous @ssholes.

kaius
kaius

This is quite rich coming from someone who had a hissy fit on here and threw his toys out of the pram because Arsenal didn’t appoint Mikel bloody Arteta. While you’re throwing mud at other fans you might want to take a look in the mirror.

And yes, I agree Ramsey handled the whole contract situation professionally – it was very professional how when we first offered him a deal, he said thanks but no thanks, then later forced the club to publicly explain why they wouldn’t be offering him another deal because he went crying to the press.

Look at the number of players around Europe running down their contracts. These guys know what they’re doing, and why. They keep more of the money when there’s no transfer fee involved. Ramsey is a great player who we will miss, but in this situation, he is not the saint some are making him out to be.

Berlingoon
Berlingoon

I didn’t threw my toys out, I just said the handling of that situation has been as messy as the Ramsey one from the club. Absolutely comparable to people who’re not attending games although they have a season ticket because the game ain’t that fancy or leaving early because they feel so betrayed instead of backing your players until the end – especially against that lot. That’s the exact difference between criticising things and being a shitty supporter.
I criticise on Arsenal blogs, these guys are having a rant on the social media profiles of our players or on YouTube channels that only exist to make them famous and earn them some money and constantly complain publicly how hard life is for an Arsenal supporter.
If you still don’t get the difference, I feel sorry for you.

OohToBe
OohToBe

I know he was fairly divisive but it baffles me how we continually lose players like this for nothing, or next to nothing, the fact is we won’t replace him properly, How do you justify this if your Arsenal football club

Adam
Adam

Blame it on precedessors. Raul and Contract Bloke are here for 12M now, tough to believe they couldn’t do anything about it. Terrible piece of management.

SharpasFc
SharpasFc

Raul isn’t responsible for this…it lays firmly at Ivan’s door and surprise surprise he’s skipped the country!

kaius
kaius

Under Ivan, Ramsey was actually offered a new deal. It’s the current admin that withdrew it. Did Ivan tell him not to sign that first offer or what?

Defended him for years on here during his years of bad form and injury niggles. Love the player. But him and his agent have really fooled a lot of people. What Ramsey did in refusing to sign that first offer is just as bad as Cashley Cole almost ‘crashing me car’ because David Dein offered him 60k a week instead of the 65k he wanted.

If Aaron Ramsey really wants to stay at Arsenal, he can walk into Raul’s office today and say ‘I got that one wrong – I’d like you to offer me the deal again’. He won’t because he wants to leave on a lucrative free (he has not been forced out ffs) and people need to face facts instead of blaming all our problems on Ivan Gazidis.

Emery in Aubalaca wonderland
Emery in Aubalaca wonderland

In any negociations, rejecting a first offer isn’t a crime. It is even a normal thing.

Emery in Aubalaca wonderland
Emery in Aubalaca wonderland

Who pulled out of contract negociations with Ramsey ? It is clearly Sanllehi not Gazidis. Ozil’s current contract pushed us into a spiral they want to get out of even though that means sacrificing a couple of good players. They’re also trying to peace underperforming Ozil off so that he accepts any good contract he may get from elsewhere.

Le Jim
Le Jim

Can’t believe we’ve fucked up the Ramsey, Ozil and Alexis situations. Liverpool are the prime example of how just 1-2 departures managed well can completely transform a team.

Gooooooonnnnaaaaaaaa
Gooooooonnnnaaaaaaaa

As well as Ox, Giroud, Walcott. And RVP, Nasry, Fabregas, and the list goes on…..

This is the true legacy of Ivan Gazidis.

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

Sagna, Clichy, Gnabry, and don’t even get me to start crying about Chesny, possibly the worst of the lot (we literally let his value dwindle through persistent loans on the promise he would be given a chance to return, then in his final year after winning a golden glove, benching current media fav Alisson and wanting to return, we sold him for a budget 12M to get replace the best keeper of our generation).

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

I just remembered the Lucas Perez deal.
Bought for 15M and on a wage no one else was willing to match. Sat on the bench then sent on loan then sold for just under 4M. That’s 11M loss in a short amount of time, probably 13M if you factor in his wages.

We’ve been awful.

Teryima Adi
Teryima Adi

The guys that run the business part of this club need refresher courses in Business Administration ASAP. This is just not good.

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

And let’s be balanced here, its the legacy of Ivan and Wenger in particular. Almost all football decisions were made by him.

kaius
kaius

Wenger said it over and over – nothing happens without me okaying it.

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

Yeah but fans don’t want to hear that. Easier to just blame it all on Gazidis.

kaius
kaius

People forget that Wenger went over the heads of Gazidis, Josh and the board to get his final disastrous contract direct from Stan Kroenke.

He had a lot more power than Ivan.

Mootilated
Mootilated

We got 40m for The Ox. That was the best deal we ever did.

loose_cannon
loose_cannon

Considering his age, ability and potential I think we got a fair price for him. But I was massively against selling him at the time (he was statistically our most creative player after Ozil) and I’d definitely take him back now.

kaius
kaius

Yeah I thought he needed a move, but I was sad to see him go. He’d be dynamite in Emery’s system.

Jack4343
Jack4343

I agree that the Ox was a player with great potential. However, he is a bit of damaged goods. He suffered long term injuries every season that kept him from nailing down a spot anywhere in our team. You just couldn’t count on him. Nothing has changed at Liverpool. He’s been there a year and a half and missed about 9 months with a long term injury. There is a cost associated with buying good talent cheaply. There is usually some drawback and many times that is they are injury prone. Alot of our squad is like that and it comes with the territory of you bargain shop as a club.

loose_cannon
loose_cannon

While he was injury prone for us, as many others were, the injury he got against Roma for Liverpool was a freak ACL that could happen to anyone really.

Also, my understanding from someone that used to work at Arsenal was that part of the reason we had so many injuries was that our preparation for games wasn’t up to scratch. The players didn’t train at match day intensity throughout the week, so often their muscles weren’t physically prepared for the actual games. Recruitment might have something to do with it as well, but preparation can’t be discounted.

George
George

Exactly.

loose_cannon
loose_cannon

Agree he’d be well suited to Emery-ball. Aggressive on and off the ball, suited to initiating and/or evading the high press and generally more direct than most of the players we have now.

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

He’s pretty much the type of midfielder we’re crying out for right now.

Great passing, great dribbling, direct and can also high-press.

A Different George
A Different George

I like Oxlade-Chamberlain, but this is just revisionism. He had some good matches for us, some where he was okay, and quite a number where he was terrible. I thought, and if he remains healthy still believe, that he would be better for Liverpool (or even more so in Italy or Germany) because he was stuck in a cycle of lack of confidence leading to poor performances leading to even less confidence. I don’t think that was Arsenal’s (or Arsene’s) fault, just a fact of life.

kaius
kaius

No-one in this thread mentioned Arsene.

But seeing as you will jump in to defend any stain on his honour (imaginary or not) it should be noted that Ox’s bad cycle of form was far from a ‘fact of life’.

The reality is Wenger’s later years were marked by regressive development in too many of our younger players, many of whom have shown the most improvement under our new coach.

Emery in Aubalaca wonderland
Emery in Aubalaca wonderland

Oh boy, Ox created so many chances from bad crosses or dribbling then shooting straight into the defenders.

kaius
kaius

Ox’s new team has already been to the CL final and he’ll probably have a Premier League winner’s medal at the end of this season if his recovery goes to plan.

Mocking young players before they’ve fully developed is a fool’s game.

Oberon
Oberon

Not likely as he won’t have played enough games to qualify.

Bring back David Hillier

Anelka was best deal we did…

KongoKim
KongoKim

Alexis, Ox, Rvp, Nasri, Fabregas, Gnabry, Sagna, Clichy all handed a contract but choose to leave. U can’t tie a rope round their fockin necks. Giroud would be third in the striking pecking order or even 4th with welbz playing a strong start. People have been crying for years to get rid of dead wood walcott and now the clubs missmanagement his situation. Yes we fucked it up bigly with scez and now with ramsey but if i look around we are not better/worse than anybody and we almost never know whats going on behind the scenes.

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

They were handed contracts, and didn’t sign. And instead we decided to let them wait till the final year of the contract. That is bad management. Even others we made out of our own doing (Sczcz) literally making him run down his contract even though he wanted to stay and then selling him with 12 months left. Heck Alexis made it clear he wasn’t going to sign, yet Wenger (not Gazidis) turned down the 60M to instead let him walk for a free. We’re a club that can’t let assets walk away for free and he’s been okay to do so on many occasions.

Raul said it best, if a player doesn’t want to sign an extension, the decision should be made with 2 years left (or do what the other big boys do; add an optional 1-year extension, then initiate it if they don’t want to sign and sell off).

I’m not even sure how you can claim we’re no better or worse than anybody. In the last 6 years, here are the top 6 player sales;

Arsenal: Net 191M
United: 241M
City: 235M
Chelsea: 602M
Spurs: 378M
Liverpool: 471M

Dave Cee
Dave Cee

It.s quite easy really..Man City, 60M for Sanchez w 10 months contract left and wants out. Do you take the money and say a prayer of thanks..or be a belligerent twunt and say no, only to be left with egg all over your face.
Do you allow yourself to be held to ransomn by inconsistent big name players like Walcott and Ozil, just so you can tell the world we are still a big club?Or do you actually behave like a big club and tell these loafers do do one??
Like Raul said..1 year left on your contract, you are getting sold. Simple as that. Did it with Nasri and Ox and should clearly have done it again last 2 summers. Sell and reinvest in guys who do want to be here

SharpasFc
SharpasFc

Exactly…I don’t get why anyone is questioning why this has happened. It happened because Ivan is a huge pr*ck. True he got us a promising new manager and then proceeded to throw him under the bus by jumping ship for Milan. Retrospectively Raul is trying to undo the damage our diabolical transfer business has done by putting his foot down about Ramsey.

Berlingoon
Berlingoon

Thought the 80m we got for Ox, Theo and Giroud have been quite good business. RvP just had one year on a contract and made it public why he’s not going to sign an extension and at that point you had to sell him. If we hadn’t sold him to United he’d have gone there for free a year later. Wouldn’t have been better, I guess.
Nasri was a cunt and considering how shit he’s been since we got quite good money for that one too. And Fabregas and Barca was a special case. We managed to keep him for quite some time but in the end considering the fact that he was a Guardiola fan since he was a kid and Messi was his best homie, it would have been nearly impossible to convince him not to go there at one point. But in that case we had a pretty good buy back clause in that contract and hadn’t we signed Özil the year before Cesc left Barca we could have got him back quite cheaply. So none of the deals was really bad in my opinion.

A Different George
A Different George

Thanks, for a bit of common sense. Some of the names thrown about as examples of Arsenal bad management are silly. How often did Clichy play for us in his last seasons? Sagna refused a contract because he wanted to leave on a free and sign for Man City; that was his right, and I don’t think we could have done anything to prevent it other than offering him a bizarrely huge contract.

As for Van Persie, it turns out he not only had only a year left on his contract, he really only had one more year of high-quality football.(Ferguson surely suspected this but, determined to win the league in his final season, was willing to pay whatever it took for that one season of brilliance.)

GraeB
GraeB

To be fair, I think Liverpool did a lot of bad business over recent years but they eventually got it right/lucky. Many questioned the mega bucks for VVD but it worked.

Who would have suggested going mad on recreating a Southampton team on Merseyside for £170m? (VVD, Lallana, Lovren, Clyne, Mane, Lambert, not even counting Ox). Most on this site would have moaned and said we should have gone for obscure players in foreign leagues.

I’ve always reckoned we could get decent defenders (a la Holding) from Championship teams who are used to English football.

Savage
Savage

Yep, it’s easy to point to success stories, but you have to measure them up against the failures too. Liverpool have been remarkably turgid in the transfer market over the last few decades. And on top of that, how many academy graduates have they produced?

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

You’re comparing Liverpool under the previous bad ownership.
Under the new ownership they have been significantly better than us at asset management and recruiting. It’s undeniable.

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

Even their academy prospects have brought them decent money.
Sterling: 50M
Jordan Ibe: 15M

That’s just off my head. Meanwhile what have we done? Jack Wilshere – Free. Chesny – 12M (after devaluing over 2 years). Those have been our best academy sales, let alone the prospects that have come through.

A Different George
A Different George

The fact remains that Liverpool lost probably the three players it most wanted to keep in the past decade (until Salah and now Van Dijk)–Suarez, Sterling, and Coutinho. And often with a hugely distracting soap opera that went on for months.

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

And got a total of £250M for them.

Meanwhile we lost all the key players we wanted to keep in the past decade (Cesc, RvP & Sanchez), had the hugely distracting soap opera (the Cesc and Van P operas were even bigger than anything Liverpool experienced) and we got, what? £65M in total?

kaius
kaius

Liverpool’s priority seems to be players with Premier League experience. Guys like Mane, Van Dijk, Wijnaldum, Robertson, and Shaqiri don’t need time to acclimatise or get used to cold Wednesday nights away at Stoke.

Think our last major signing with Prem experience was… Sol Campbell?

A Different George
A Different George

I thought that one side benefit of Stoke’s relegation would be that I wouldn’t have to hear this again. Many of Liverpool’s best players came straight from foreign leagues: Suarez, Firmino, Coutinho, and Salah (oh, right, he had so much experience at Chelsea). And Allison, surely one of the keys to their current success. As for our “foreign” acquisitions–like Alexis and Aubameyang,–they have adjusted to football in England pretty quickly.

kaius
kaius

And maybe the reason their foreign signings acclimatise much quicker is the example and the standards set by other squad players with solid Premier League experience?

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

Current players in Liverpool squad bought within the PL;
Robertson (Hull)
Van Dijk
Xhakiri
Wiljnadium
Mane
Milner
Clyne

I’m sure they have a few more too.

Looover
Looover

Ox
Sturridge
Henderson
Some other bloke 😊

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

Arteta. And he turned out to be pretty decent too.

kaius
kaius

Thank you. Knew I was forgetting someone. And look at the positive impact he had!

We should def gamble on more Premier League-tested players.

SharpasFc
SharpasFc

I totally agree with you. Every time we play a so called lesser team and their defence is rock solid and our defence is like jelly I think to myself why can’t we just buy some good old fashioned defenders like these guys have.

A Different George
A Different George

And yet, for as long as anyone can remember, we have finished above these lesser teams. Maybe their “rock solid defense” is an illusion?

daniel
daniel

I feel like the Alexis situation sort of worked in our favour, we certainly didnt mismanage it in the way united have

kaius
kaius

You’re kidding right?

He was a 90m pound player and we let him go for Henrikh Mkhitaryan. Mkhi works hard and is a solid pro who helped us get Pierre, but Alexis was top-5 in Europe quality at his peak.

United have money to waste. We don’t.

Emery in Aubalaca wonderland
Emery in Aubalaca wonderland

A lot of gunners are giving Liverpool as an example. They were all laughing at how Liverpool spent 85 millions on a defender and we got Holding with only two millions.

Legrande
Legrande

The next couple of seasons are going to make or break Arsenal. I seriously hope its the former.
With Ramsey out, Ozil unsure, Welbeck going and the need to overhaul the defense, i seriously am concerned about how we would get the resources to replace all of them.

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

Let’s be honest, without an influx of cash, we won’t. I think we all have to prepare for a period of drifting tbh.

Either that or we just reboot and start Project Youth 2.0. Bring in the likes of Smith-Rowe, Nelson, AMN, Saka, Eddie, Plez, Bielik, Willock, etc. into the squad along with the likes of Guendouzi, Bellerin & Torreira. At best, they make mistakes but develop into a strong force. At worst, they gain value and we sell the ones who aren’t good enough for a tidy sum.

Ofcourse nobody wants to pick this path, but waiting on the Kroenke’s to put in the money may be futile.

Bob
Bob

We’ve got a strong academy, all the big clubs do but nobody is really bringing the talent through like they should. Guendouzi and Torreira would count as “project youth” and both have been good. To be honest, I think people are always happy to back something when they see there’s a clear plan, I was frustrated sometimes but still got behind project youth back in the day. Signing players like Mustafi and Elneny has been a far more frustrating policy to me..

kaius
kaius

Looking forward to a possible Project Youth 2.0, it’s not just the ones who aren’t good enough we have to to sell. We have to man up and accept offers for one or two of the very best.

In 2-3 seasons if PSG or Shenhua Shangtown offer some ridiculous sum for Reiss Nelson or Lucas Torreira the club needs to protest very loudly, declare that none of our jewels are for sale, then accept an even higher offer. And more importantly, reinvest that money in problem positions and more young prospects.

It sucks. We didn’t build the Emirates to become a feeder club, but that’s how the game works when your absentee owner doesn’t give a flying f*ck.

Bob
Bob

Pretty much every club except Man City or Real Madrid now is a feeder club, let’s be honest. Liverpool lost their best talents in Suarez and coutinho to Barcelona and are top of the table, dortmund have consistently lost their best players to other clubs and relied on youth and unproven talents and they’re currently top of the Bundesliga with Sancho a key player in their side. I mean, they lost auba to us haha. It doesn’t worry me, honestly, if the club is smart about it. It doesn’t have to be like project youth 1.0 where the whole team was prospects, if we can afford 1 auba to 4 Torreiras and Guendouzis that’s alright

kaius
kaius

Yeah “If the club is smart about it” then I’m all in.

Second Half FC: Project Youth Edition

bsinGooner
bsinGooner

You didnt even mention Monaco

Make Arsenal Great Again
Make Arsenal Great Again

You forgot Mavropanos

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

Indeed I did. It’s good to see others are up for a Project Youth 2.0 when faced with out reality. If we’re gonna have a few years of drift, then let’s at least look forward do it with some sense of hope. We even lost Virginia (now on the brisk of the Everton first team), our most talented academy keeper in years, because we wanted to hold on to Cech and Martinez.

I’d rather watch AMN, Beilik, Smith-Rowe, Nelson, etc develop, than watch Mustafi, Litchsteiner, Elneny knowing this is the best they have in them.

kaius
kaius

As far as I’m concerned Dinos should play every game between now and the end of the season. If you can hold your own away at Old Trafford at the age of 20, you’re either good enough now, or you will be very soon.

kas
kas

Sad to say but Spurs under good leadership, have managed OK. If you add up what Aub, Laca & Ozil cost compared to Ali, Ericson & co. Just saying that’s all.

Aneesh Chandoke
Aneesh Chandoke

Longest serving player currently going for free in his prime. Shocking business. Should have kept him for many reasons. Connection with fans, reminds us of our past, trophy drought, winning trophies for us and hope of a new era. Would have been good to see a constant which was Ramsey. Really sad.
Pirlo called him a complete midfielder but we for some reason have kept worse players. And fans who say he demanded same as Ozil need to shut up please.

BidOnLard
BidOnLard

We are out of the Net Spend Champions league for good now. Thanks Ivan, you cunt.

WengersNoseHair
WengersNoseHair

61 goals and 63 assists in 354 appearances for the club (via Transfermarkt) makes Ramsey one of the best midfielders in the club’s history, by that metric. While playing in many mediocre teams, with his history of injuries, and only just turned 28. Still an underrated player i.m.o. And now he’ll be leaving for free, it seems. Absolutely criminal.

Nick
Nick

He chose to hold the club to ransom, and it backfired. Get over it, mate. He’s overrated.

kaius
kaius

Amazing how many people are in denial about this. He played chicken with the club and lost.

Dave Cee
Dave Cee

How did he lose? He gets to take his pick from serial winners like Bayern and Juve..and Arsenal gets..nothing! Seems Arsenal lost to me. Should have been sold in August when the contract went unsigned

Okechukwu Jude
Okechukwu Jude

Sad so sad! Now it’s clear for all to see that Wenger wasn’t really AFC’s problem. So sad. I wanna believe that lessons have been learnt. We can let this one go and start a new page of our history. Hopefully.

Bob
Bob

He was a problem, there just wasn’t one problem.

Danny
Danny

Why is he captaining us if he’s leaving? What the fuck does that say about the rest of the team?

dawid niedzwiadek
dawid niedzwiadek

He is still arsenal player. Until contract ends or sold earlier.

Danny
Danny

Yeah of course, but we’re letting him go. He’s not good enough to earn a new deal (not my belief, but we withdrew our offer) so how is he good enough to lead our team on the pitch? I think he’s good enough and would be happy for him to be captain, but we don’t want him any more. What message does that send to Xhaka, Torreria, Papa etc?

Goonerink

No one is questioning rambos commitment to the club like we do with most players, I think the ozil thing might force our hand with rambo, he is dramatically more of an emery player than ozil is and I think unai might be trying to show the top brass he needs the Welsh jesus more than the German.

Dennis Elbow
Dennis Elbow

That would be nice.

Kano Gooner

Unpopular opinion and completely off topic.

Heard we are considering Cahill on loan. As long as it is a loan till end of season and with no option for permanent deal, I say bring him on.

To me he is better than all of our fit defenders at the moment. I know Koscielny is fit, but from matches he played so far, I wouldn’t want to say he is past it, but he may not go back to his level at least for the reminder of this season. And we don’t have that time to give.

Me2
Me2

Oh come on.
Cahill is a dinosaur.
A club like Arsenal should NOT be considering anything like this.
Arsenal should be making a statement by at least trying to sign top class players.
If we sign him on loan this would be a terrible statement to make – might as make a public announcement that we are giving up
I would rather have nothing than pursue this.
You only have to look at that geriatric Lichtenstein or whatever its name is to realise that age does matter in a physical league like the Premiership.

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

If he’s not good enough for the main team we’re battling with for top 4, who are currently just 2 points ahead of us, what in the world makes you think he’s good enough for us? It’s this same type of thinking that led people into thinking Litchsteiner was a good buy.

I’d rather watch Mavropanos gain experience and make a few mistakes, than watch bloody Cahill.

Fatgooner
Fatgooner

A quality player at the peak of his career is allowed to walk away on a free, costing the club tens of millions of pounds. That tells you everything you need to know about the incompetence of the club right now.

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

The Ramsey contract situation is just a legacy problem from the previous management. Wasn’t it Gazidis himself that agreed the 250k deal? I suspect Raul had clocked on that agents felt we were a soft touch and must’ve gotten wind that agents out there felt we were there for the taking. Ultimately once he assumed full control, he had to make a decision and send a message out. It cost us directly in the short term, but in the long term it at least lets agents know Raul and his team aren’t the soft touches of before.

I mean, just consider the fact Wenger was openly rejected 60M for Sanchez and was ready to let him walk for free. Our previous management became really bad at contract management.

Red-Sky
Red-Sky

Sanllehi better have a plan and a good one at that.
A self-sustaining club can’t afford to let players run their contracts without cashing in.
And what makes even more ridiculous is the fact that we know The transfer budget is limited. we can’t cover all departure with better replacements. We simply have more pressing issues than replace Cech, Monreal, Welbeck …etc
Some place in the squad need immediate upgrading, while others are less urgent.

Red-Sky
Red-Sky

*makes it
*departures
*replacing
*places

Alex
Alex

I don’t get the buzz about Ramsey: he played as a 10 at the beginning of the season and wasn’t effective at all, he was put aside and the flow of the team went better. He had the occasion to sign this contract and wasted one month and afterwards the club got tired and changed their mind. Simple. The guy wants to leave! And it’s good, no more Hollywood for nothing.
Some only remember the – few – good moments but forget when Xhaka was left alone in midfield because Ramsey didn’t want to defend.
Too much focused on attacking Özil, guys.

Mootilated
Mootilated

I don’t think the argument has ever been on whether he is good enough. The argument has always stemmed from the fact that the club allowed a good player to run down his contract and leave on a free… again…

loose_cannon
loose_cannon

“Too much focused on attacking Özil, guys.”

Ah so we should attack Ramsey nonsensically instead? The only benefit of losing Ramsey is that it’ll end this ridiculous Ozil v Ramsey debate in the fanbase.

Nick
Nick

You’re correct. 60-odd goals and 60-odd assists in 10 years? I don’t care about the injuries or how hard he tries. That’s bang average.

Worbatron
Worbatron

Thought you might make a comment without mentioning Ozil for once! I was wrong!

Abhi
Abhi

Fuck Ivan Gazidis.

GunnerMzalendo
GunnerMzalendo

I have absolutely no faith in the so called Director of Football but should I be pointing fingers at him?No! The problem is….Kroenke! Arsenal have conducted very poor business over the last 6/7 years and this club is headed in same direction as Aston Villa under Randy Lerner.
Arsenal has lost players we should not lose. To be very honest ,Ramsey should not be leaving Arsenal and for free!

Chrispy
Chrispy

What a shit show. Wenger and Gazides solely to blame. Throw in Ozils £350k weekly contract and Kroenke’s shallow pockets , our self sustainable model is basically fucked us for the next few years. We need the CL but the players we have can’t get us there and we haven’t the resources to get better ones for the reasons above. Really is down to Emery to find the answer and the academy to fast track some gems

Modusho
Modusho

It is said that Wenger did not sanction the Ozil contract and I would believe that as he has a socialist slant. I believe Ozil, Mchki and Auba contracts were handled by Gazidis and the new contract person. Arsene was a problem in many ways but this was not one

Chrispy
Chrispy

Wenger ran the club from top to bottom. Whether he sanctioned the Ozil contract or not, his complete inability to manage players contracts in the first place had us backed into a corner with zero leverage with this case and many before it and its still echoing now with Ramsey and Welbeck.

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

Man people will willfully overlook the obvious fact just for an agenda.

I love Wenger like the next man, but he LITERALLY said just a few weeks ago to the media in France that nothing, NO FOOTBALL DECISION was ever made without him giving it the all-clear.

And we’re meant to believe that Ozil, a player recruited by Wenger himself commonly known as his favourite and would get special privileges above all others, would’ve been offered a 350k contract without his knowledge?

Same Wenger who, according to Ornstein the board were willing to sell Sanchez in the summer for 60M but Wenger veto-ed it, 6 months later wasn’t aware his favourite player would get a record contract?

Come on people. Be reasonable.

kaius
kaius

No, it is not said that Wenger didn’t sanction Ozil’s contract. Please cite your evidence. Some of you will believe any fantasy story that retroactively paints Wenger in a favourable light.

Arsene desperately wanted Ozil to stay and said so publicly. The player he was willing to lose was Alexis. He should have sold one for a fortune and kept the other, and failed to accomplish even that.

90m pound Sanchez leaving in a swap deal for a 30m pound Mkhi, and Ozil getting an absurdly inflated contract are typical things that happened in Wenger’s last few seasons. Xhaka and Mustafi arriving for 70m was another.

Wenger is the godfather of our club. An icon. But his later years exposed serious flaws, and his transfer strategies were out of touch with the modern game. We’re still suffering as a result of it.

Titi
Titi

The fact is this whole situation is a giant mess, we’re letting a player walk who we could have easily sold on for at least 30-40 million last summer. To now have him walk out for free, at a point where our squad is desperate for reinvestments is shocking; even more so when you consider the business Sven would be able to do with those funds.

I know these are the remnants of an old era but I really hope we find a way to raise more funds soon, whether that be in from the board investing or regaining access to CL football. Sadly I don’t really see either happening this year. When you consider the whole Ozil situation the picture becomes even darker. We still have quality in our squad, but the depth of our bench is becomingly worryingly bad.

We can’t aim for a self-sustaining model if we don’t plan ahead for the future and have a clear ideology to work towards. I have full faith in out new back end team but i’m very curious to see how they are going to handle this come January when the transfer window opens again.

LongRoadtoRuin
LongRoadtoRuin

Arsenal fans are brilliant. They always know exactly who is to blame without having to have any facts to back it up. Who exactly mucked up the Ramsey deal?

Pakgooner
Pakgooner

I did don’t tell anyone

kaius
kaius

Absolutely brilliant aren’t we? Bloody hell

loose_cannon
loose_cannon

Sad to see him go, a real professional and servant of the club.

And say what you will about him but I’m convinced that if he was a Liverpool or Chelsea player, they’d have got £50m for him minimum. A real shitshow for us, one of our most sellable assists waltzing out the door, in his prime, on a free, to a perennial CL club, while we struggle to raise funds of a desperately needed retool.

SharpasFc
SharpasFc

Everything you say is true, but people need to remember that during the summer Ivan was still here, although he was also clearly in the process of negotiating his way to Milan. I’ve no doubt that Ivan sanctioned the contract that Ramsey and his agent failed to sign (because they thought they could squeeze the club for more). As soon as Ivan left Raul wasted no time in pulling that contract, and I actually think that although it’s not good business Ramsey was told he could go for free because Ivan f*cked up so badly.

Me2
Me2

Another piece of dead wood about to leave.
Perhaps it should be under the condition that Juventus take Koscielny, Sokratis, Monreal, Mustafi, Lichtsteiner, Xhaka, Welbeck and Iwobi as part of the deal.
But fear not Arsenal fans.
We are the clear favourites to sign the world class Gary Cahill.
Now that’s player for the future.
Jesus fucking christ….

Me2
Me2

Oh well….
When you reach rock bottom the only way is up…

Teryima Adi
Teryima Adi

Rambo Part 4

zhord
zhord

I don’t get the fuss about Ramsey leaving on a free. It’s been confirmed weeks ago and we’ve all complained about the poor management. News like this should be responded to by wishing Rambo all the best. I thought we’ve moved on. I mean, we are all excited about ESR. As well as Nelson, who should take over the Welbeck role next season.

Marc
Marc

I’ve been in a state of contemplation since the Liverpool game and still can’t fathom how our great club has ended up in the hands of mustached American. He truly is a parasite and one that there seems no cure for! I’m truly sad.

Jack4343
Jack4343

You mentioned American as if you were insuating that is the reason he’s bad for us. I would like to remind you that Liverpool and that freight train gaining on us in the form of ManU are all run by Americans. We just got the cheap bastard of the bunch.

Marc
Marc

No mate, no such insinuation. Simply using a relevant proper adjective suitable for all. Inwardly I’m calling handlebars a lot worse but no need to lower the tone around here just yet.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob

I think it is a shame Wenger didn’t retire after the FA Cup victory, had we got Emery two years previous then I doubt Ozil would still be at the club, whilst Sanchez and Ramsey would probably still be here – I know Sanchez has been a bit of a tool at manure but when with us he did run his socks off and score goals!!! Imagine a front line of Sanchez-Laca-PEA

Savage
Savage

Can you force a player to be sold? If I were Ramsey, I would resist any sale and wait for the free transfer. Wenger was right when he said this pattern would become common, and even Liverpool lost Emre Can this way (to Juve as well).

kas
kas

Well ‘Barca’ have reportedly paid 5mill to loan Murillo from Valencia for the rest of the season. Could Arsenal not do a similar deal & loan Ramsey out & at least get a bit of dosh in.? Ironic really as ‘Murillo ‘ can’t get his place back in the Valencia team cos of a certain ‘Gabriel’ formerly of this parish!

hustle6
hustle6

welp that’s a chunk of our potential money to spend in January gone.

Mark
Mark

We certainly have handled a number of player situations very poorly over the last couple of years including Sanchez last year (all the drama throughout the Fall and while we did get something back in return in Miki we could have gotten so much more had we sold him in the Summer), Ozil’s new contract that dramatically increased his wages to the point where it’s going to be hard to sell him now to anyone for any kind of fee, Wilshere, Ramsey this year of course, etc.. January is not a great time to do business, but we did do a good bit of it last year with so many sales of players and buying Aubameyang so hopefully we will be able to make some much needed changes this coming window.

Bob
Bob

I was sad when Wenger left but I knew it was the right move for the club. I was absolutely fucking thrilled when Gazidis left. I hope this shit has left with him.

Red Arrow
Red Arrow

I’m surprised that as a businessman –
Kroenke was not aware of the financial
implications of players running down their contracts. I mean I know he is a very rich man – but these are significant sums of money. He might not be a keen football fan but must realise that he needs to ensure Arsenal remains competitive for it to retain its fan base and commercial value in the longer run. It’s a little bit disheartening how far behind Man City and Liverpool we currently are.

Michael
Michael

Does anyone know what’s happened to Steve bould doesn’t seem to be on bench lately

3pointsinthetoilet

I think these 2 are the last of the awful contract era see the Elneny extension…

Dave Cee
Dave Cee

Fuckin ludicrous..learned nothing from Sanchez and Ozil situations last year. Thank Christ Wenger and Gazidis are gone