Arsenal remain top of their Europa League group after a soporific 1-1 draw with Vitoria in Portugal this afternoon.

Unai Emery’s side had just one shot on target – the 80th minute header from Shkodran Mustafi which gave them the lead – but once again let a lead slip, conceding in injury time to allow the home side a point.

It was as poor a game as we can remember, and considering how bad some of them have been recently, that’s saying a lot.

Read the Vitoria 1-1 Arsenal report and see the goals here.

Here’s how the players rated this evening.

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Hantal
Hantal

I know this isn’t the best environment for young players right now but am I missing something about Ceballos? I’ve yet to see what the fuss is about and it seems silly to keep playing him

Anonymarse
Anonymarse

He looked amazing in his first game. Not so much any more.

Oh No Nevery.
Oh No Nevery.

Even in the first game, I thought he wasn’t that great honestly. Sure, his ability on the ball looks nice, but he puts every move to a halt. With him in the center, we’ll never build up proper attacking speed (well, not under Emery anyway). He’s pretty mindless/reckless too sometimes.

Reality check
Reality check

I kmow, a loan player must hit the ground running but Dani is not a seasoned professional. He’ll take time to adjust. He has raw ability and a lot of it but no experience or any good number of games under his belt.. it’s just one of those..

yen
yen

But then again, which of our players actually plays good football nowadays?

The way we play sucks life of everyone.

Optimistic Gooner
Optimistic Gooner

Our play is too slow, always looking for safe sideways and back pass. No player to take on defenders and drive forwards. There is no combination play which was the hallmark of Wenger era. It’s like players don’t have confidence on their defence and scared to commit to attacking. If you look at Liverpool, Chelsea, city and heck Leicester now, there passes are one touch and always looking to drive forward with pace. I thought Unai would be the manager to do that but he has made us a lot worse. Sack him now, his inefficient methods are dragging the team down.

Richard
Richard

He had one excellent game – the first one. Since then, he’s been useless. His skills are amazing, but he doesn’t do anything meaningful on the pitch. It perhaps has to do something with our “tactics”. He was roaming freely in that first game, maybe he’d do better if he were given more freedom (á la Özil).

yen
yen

Don’t think it’s that much of a coincidence that his first game was the best one. My ‘theory’ is that it’s something that was also true for the ‘late Wenger era:’

every new player that comes into the system looks amazing & as a breath of fresh air at first, only for him to lapse into the greyness around him. Think Iwobi.

None of the players is ‘in form,’ or even ‘gradually getting better.’

Mouise
Mouise

He already had all freedom against CP, for example… all freedom and enough games to show playing him each game means nothing.

HelderHughes
HelderHughes

The full stop situation in the player comments is getting worse by the week. I thought we’d turned a corner a few games back, only two comments ended without the required punctuation.

But since then it’s been like freeform jazz. One here, not one there. I can only assume like Bronte used the wildness of the moors to mirror Heathcliff’s character, Andrew uses the laissez faire approach to full stops to exemplify the chaotic and illogical management of the club.

Danny
Danny

i see that…no proper sentences and punctuation until we start playing cohesive football with every player in their proper position….until then, let’s find as much joy as possible in sentence fragments and torreira as an attacking midfielder….

Paul Roberts
Paul Roberts

Thanks for killing our dreams. 🙂

Fergal
Fergal

Makes sense, apart from the last bit.. he’s not a 10 I think, he doesn’t spot the pass that well, a few times tonight he could have released players on the wing but he held on too long and brought the ball back to traffic. We have so many 8s right now it’s ridiculous, that’s why we can’t penetrate teams in my opinion. I said it after the last game and I’ll say it again. Wenger in.. as caretaker till the end of the season, it would be 100 times better than this and a million times better than Mourhino.

Assshavin
Assshavin

None of our midfielders have been good this season. In fact none of our players (besides Aubameyang) have been good this season.

Mouise
Mouise

Özil has heen good, even great…

Paul Roberts
Paul Roberts

Is that you Unai??

Mesut O’Neill
Mesut O’Neill

We are talking football not Fortnite

SB Still
SB Still

That probably says a lot about the head coach than the players.

Many new players like Saka, Tierney, Martinelli, Willock, Pepe, etc all started their respective seasons very well but have been brought down a few levels – Emery effect! No clarity of roles, tactics, formations, they must be more confused than us, after all they deal with Emery a lot more.

Paul Roberts
Paul Roberts

First team second team, whatever competition….we are really shit aren’t we?? Be honest folks? FS

Matt
Matt

The womens team is great!

loose_cannon
loose_cannon

Everyone is struggling now, not just Ceballos who did look very good in his first couple games.

Chamakhyungpark
Chamakhyungpark

Possibly because the whole team is devoid of any energy or tactics.

All our players are playing badly.

This is awful and the time is up. Please do something Arsenal board, surely surely surely you can see as much as fans how bad we have become.

holsn
holsn

Ceballos is a player who gets the ball running between players in transition. Without movement around him, we are are really not using his talents.

Cultured determination
Cultured determination

Just because he’s spanish and has some footwork in that 1 game to remind us of santi. He aint no santi so far

Master G
Master G

We want to get rid Elneny because he only pass to sideways/back. Now, it seems that we play with 3 Elneny’s in the midfield.

Nameless_Gooner
Nameless_Gooner

Overrated Elneny..

loom
loom

He has to go. Quickly.

Dave M
Dave M

Remember when the cups used to be fun… He’s even taken that from us. Surely it’s time for Simpson arsenal to deliver the “stop, stop, he’s already dead” gif now?

Geefive
Geefive

I think their expression after the Vitoria goal says it all. In words, What.The.Fuck.

midgunner
midgunner

I finished work early for that shite.

I can’t remember a less creative Arsenal team in the past 20 years. What the fuck is happening to us under this manager?

Hard to rate the players at the moment – I have to think they’re better than that.

Rich
Rich

I’m not convinced we are much better….

I’d take the majority of the Leicester first team over ours.

Perreira, Chilwell, Evans, Soyuncu, Ndidi, Maddison, Tielemans, and there’s really not much between Vardy and Lacazette, and Schmeichel and Leno.

I think we look pretty average, because we are pretty average.

Our recruitment was poor for years, and this is just the result of the latter years of Wenger+Gazidis, whist we’ve picked gems for peanuts with Guendouzi+Martinelli, it’ll be a few years before we really see the benefits.

Emery will likely get the sack in the break, I’m just not convinced that overall it’ll make much difference.

Dat guy
Dat guy

Don’t get ahead of yourself mate lol

A P
A P

Yea yea, it would still be AW & Ivan’s fault 10 seasons later. Ridiculous.

gooner
gooner

I am always getting my 9 year old to watch Arsenal games. Today he protested and confessed it was too boring and only does it to make me happy. He enjoys watching City instead. He came when we had the lead, sat down and by injury time he was all smiles because the game was fun to watch then. He celebrated the equaliser wildly and I joined in the fun for those near misses and post at the end.
We had a good ebening of sorts all things considered

Henry II
Henry II

I always find these debates interesting. I view myself as fortunate as whilst I didn’t have a choice what club to support due to family influence at least it was a top tier team and not a Huddersfield etc. So I always admire fans of those so called lesser teams given the turgid football they are mostly exposed to.

However I get the debate as for any team to be globally successful they need to build a fan base outside of the local areas and as such need to entice fans with attractive football, on pitch success, correct values etc. which at present we are not doing. So no judgement from me on that front.

I will say however that I do begrudge investing more of my hard earned cash into an investment vehicle which doesn’t show any dividends, on top of my already extortionate season ticket. That said I have bought the three new shirts this season… damn you Adidas and your great shirt designs!

I think it comes down to expectations which Arsenal at present are not meeting mine.

Henry II
Henry II

Sorry replied to wrong thread, obviously meant for Tim’s post below!

Tim
Tim

Honest question: I guess a lot of current Arsenal fans fell in love with the club during the Wenger era.
If things go on this way, can the love last? In other words, will there be a moment where we will ask ourself: am I a fan of Wenger era Arsenal, or a fan of Arsenal no matter what – I mean once the values, the style, the way of playing are gone and we are just another investment vehicle for some rich people with a coach that is just doing a job and a board that is just doing a job and players that see us a sort of stepping stone to bigger and better things?
Just wondering and curious to know your point of view.

Dale Cooper
Dale Cooper

Arsenal, no matter what. What kind of fucking question is that?

Olivije Žirod
Olivije Žirod

I am asking this myself too. Do I love Arsenal or Wenger’s Arsenal. I am feeling kind of bad because of it though. I still watch all of our games and favour Arsenal infront of other stuff but I just don’t feel the excitement anymore. Even in Wenger’s last season, no matter how tough it was I was looking forward to the every game and I was optimistic too!

Henrik
Henrik

Yeah! Me too! Its just like going to the movies. A lot of sequels, remakes and stupid movies about superheroes. The creativity and passion is gone long ago and the audience (me) doesnt care as much anymore. Sure, its a bit fun but no more than that.

Fred
Fred

I started following Arsenal in 2001 when I moved to London from the States and Arsenal happened to be the closest team to my flat geographically. First professional game I ever saw was when they beat United at Old Trafford in 2001. Watched every game I could over the next few years. I’m certainly much less enthusiastic about watching games and following the club than I had been a decade ago, but it’s hard to know how much of that is due to getting older, moving from London, etc. I believe it started when Kroenke took over and there was all the news about Usmanov and it became difficult to not see the club as, like you say, an investment vehicle. It used to feel that there was something special about Arsenal in the Wenger era when the club was competing with the oligarch’s playthings despite not having the essentially limitless resources, and that sheen is no longer there. I’m certainly not going to support another English team or stop watching when I can but I can imagine not going out if my way to watch games (which I barely do now as it is).

Paul Roberts
Paul Roberts

I started following The Arsenal in 1971 when we won the double and I was 6 years old. Help!!!! 🙂

Heavy Gunner
Heavy Gunner

I became an Arsenal supporter when I was born- my surname is (believe it or not) GUNNER! When I was about 5 years old, my Dad said to me: If you don’t behave yourself boy, I’ll buy you a Sp*rs shirt for Christmas. All of our family have been Gooners- nothing you can change with that- but these are VERY TRYING TIMES! Bad times, good times, Arsenal have always been a class act, but these days I’m starting to wonder..

Julio Baptista's humble alter ego
Julio Baptista's humble alter ego

Your dad sounds like a top bloke

JanGooner
JanGooner

Me too, Charlies winner and celebration.

Now he is a gentleman guiding fans on stadium tours. This Club still has lot of class. Because of history and fans, NOT the owners

Thesoulofpdavis
Thesoulofpdavis

I think we all want our Arsenal back.

mart
mart

i watched my first arsenal game in 1999. for me arsene = arsenal = arsene. that beautiful football? that was arsene’s doing. those were his players and his management that brought it out of them. they did it in an arsenal kit for sure, and i’m of the opinion that once you’ve fallen in love with a team, it’s for life… but…it IS painful to watch now. and we’re not going to recover for quite a while i’d wager. arsenes don’t just grow on trees you know.

Sully Taylor
Sully Taylor

If Wenger goes back into the management I am definitely going to support his team as well as Arsenal. Miss that guy :'(

Abhi
Abhi

Arsenal fan always! A better question would be, how many young people starting to follow football now are going to choose to support Arsenal? We’re boring, and don’t challenge. If Aubameyang leaves, that’s really about it as far as us being an attractive club to support goes. Sad times on so many levels.

yen
yen

Literally raised this exact question around two years ago. Guess there are many young kids supporting City and Liverpool nowadays…

Paul Roberts
Paul Roberts

On the plus side Man U’s future home counties fan base is going to be non-existent! 🙂

Sonofawenga
Sonofawenga

I asked myself the same question. I (due to my age) became a fan during the early Wenger years. As long as the club represents my values to a certain degree I support this club. But there is a point where I would stop, not because of a few bad games but at some point I have to draw the line.

GunnerIain
GunnerIain

As a young child I followed the flavour of the month with football, but by time i was 10 or 11, i started watching Arsenal and grew to love them. I’m 34 now and would never look back.

Arsenal til i die, which at this rate and the way my beloved club is being run/managed, will be very soon. Every minute watching the games, and the “banter” i get from my friends is slowly sucking the life out of me.

Bring back the good times, the good football. I don’t even care if we don’t win silverware, just get the slick one touch unplayable football we all fell in love with back.

Its hard being an Arsenal fan at the moment, but wouldn’t ever change it. Behind the team regardless just wish the Hierarchy would love the club as much as I/We do.

goonshow
goonshow

Well put mate. Reading through this entire thread of ‘stick or flip’ opinions, it strikes me that there is a type of ‘softer’ supporter – either latter-day entrants or simply those for whom it’s a pleasant diversion, but not too much more. And there’s nothing wrong with that – Arsenal is a classy enough club, certainly, to be able to tolerate varying views and levels of support.

However… the true ‘fan’, as I respectfully see it, is the one who, at some point and for some (often arcane) reason – decides that they’re a Gooner, and that this decision is for life, not negotiable. I, like Paul Roberts (above) became that kind of Gooner in ’70 – just before the double season, and only because my best mate was a Spud and I (a) didn’t want the same team and (b) really liked the little white cannon on Pat Rice’s chest in the SHOOT full page photo!

And so it began… through the euphoria of the double, into George Graham and the 1-0 decade(s), the strange haze of post-George (but thx for Dennis, Mr Rioch) and then Arsene. So many highs and often lows – but never… ever a question of ‘choosing’ another team. And here’s why…

Arsenal is so much more than Graham or Dein or Wenger or Usmanov or Kroenke. They are but blips on Woolwich-Arsenal’s century-plus radar. The millions of ordinary people who’ve gone in and out of our turnstiles, on cloud 9 or suicidal, the families who’ve passed North Bank seats down like family jewels, the kids who’ve been named Liam, or Dennis or Thierry…

THAT is Arsenal, my friends. And it’s not about the thin end of the wedge – at the top table, or out on the pitch. It’s about all those who simply believe it is OUR club. And who won’t change that for anything – least of all the share certificates listed at Companies House. Stan only ‘owns’ this club on paper… and he will only own it in spirit, and in the long, proud cultural universe that The Arsenal occupies, when we all walk away and leave a vacuum there.

I, for one, ain’t going anywhere lads!

Tim
Tim

I guess I should have phrased the question better: no doubt one will remain a fan, but there are several degrees of fandom. Can you still feel as strongly, as a fan coming from that era, under those conditions? What happens if and when the fire and the passion are not there anymore?

GunnerIain
GunnerIain

I still feel as strongly about the club! What i dont like is how its being run and managed. Classy club to classless. The poisonous fans, the poor tactics, bottling the big decisions (manager and higher).

‘Victoria Concordia Cresit’

Nothing Harmonious anymore

Tim
Tim

I still do, too. I was just wondering about the long run and was curious to hear what other people thought. I guess my problem is I always considered Arsenal as a sort of bastion, a refuge against what I didn’t like in other teams and in football in general (I know, idealistic, right?).

GunnerIain
GunnerIain

At present i can’t really answer the fire and passion portion of you question. I still have the fire and passion, and my points are really what’s keeping the fire stoked. I want to see the team back how they were (also idealistic 🙁 ). I will always be passionate about Arsenal, however, its up to the club to keep that fire and passion going on the pitch, in the board room etc, to ensure the fans keep the same.

goonshow
goonshow

See my post just above… When the ‘fire and passion’ aren’t there, you’re not truly a Gooner… and perhaps you never were. More of a casual fan.
For whom there is a space in the Arsenal universe. Casual fan is OK, if you like soggy Cornflakes.

Group Captain Mandrake
Group Captain Mandrake

I became a fan the second year Wenger got to Arsenal (just luck that they were showing a game on U.S. TV at the time). I was a fan through the good times and the bad. I am still a fan, and still watch, but mostly because the games are on early in the morning and there isn’t anything else to do yet. If they were on later in the day, I probably wouldn’t watch. I still would want them to win, but there are more enjoyable things to do with my day than slog through a game. Whether it was the offense under Wenger, or the defense under Graham, Arsenal were fun to watch for different reasons. They just aren’t fun at the moment.

Paul Roberts
Paul Roberts

I don’t mean to be rude, but if you only remain a fan if the team is doing well, then you are not a true fan in my opinion.

Fred
Fred

Sure, but it’s sort of like the Ship of Theseus. How many things need to be changed about the club before, despite all appearances to the contrary, it is no longer the same club. It’s not just about a poor run of results, but about abiding by a certain way of going about things, on the pitch and off. The more that changes the more you start to wonder what it actually is you’re spending precious hours of your life, and significant mental space, supporting. For me that’s not that linked to actual results. Every club will inevitable go through years of mediocrity at some point (and arsenal have been competing for trophies during these last mediocre years so it could be a lot worse). I would lose interest completely if Arsenal were to get taken over by an oil oligarch and we bought Messi and Neymar in January.

goonshow
goonshow

No it ain’t. The only thing that will truly ‘change’ Arsenal irrevocably is if we – all of us – change. Our support, our standards, our views on what Arsenal is. Form is temporary, as are Boards, Managers, players and tactics. Class is permanent. And we’ve been pretty classy for over 130 years.

Looney
Looney

I understand your train of thought. This is the conundrum I’m facing and I guess a whole lot of fans as well.

Corkey
Corkey

Although I admire the honesty in asking the question, I’m equally appalled by it. You’re an Arsenal fan, or You’re not, through the good and the bad. Imagine being a Middlesbrough fan? Those guys don’t just ditch and support city. I think you had better skip to the end and buy a Barca shirt., my old muckker

Tim
Tim

Read my rephrasing above, I hope it makes it less appalling. Also, it is not about the good and the bad, as we’ve had good and bad periods under Arsene too. As for Barca (or any other team) it’s a pass, thank you. My point implied that if and when the passion for Arsenal goes, the one for watching and following “high level” football will disappear with it.

mpls
mpls

I hopped on with the club early to mid noughties. The good times. Prior to that getting access to watching matches this side of the water where I live was a real challenge unless you had $$ which definitely excluded me. Yes, style was the draw for me. Grew up playing and always loved stylish play.

The style is certainly gone. We’ve scored a few beauties this season, but it’s in spite of rather than a result of our direction, and down to simply having some quality players who can do it. You can tell it’s no longer cultured by the coach.

If Emery stays on longer than ideal and still can’t turn it around I’ll still be around in some capacity because the club is bigger than this period, this coach. Some of the talent we’ve got will be here longer than Emery, if we can hold on to it. But the state of affairs does chip away at how much effort I’ll put into it. The longer it goes the less I’ll go out of my busy way, and the less I’ll put into it monetarily, I’m sure. I doubt I’m alone and I’ve no doubt the club will suffer diminishing returns the longer the malaise goes on. They’re losing eyeballs and asses, both existing and prospective.

I will say this: If by some dark turn of the devil’s work Mourinho ends up here, I’m gone until he’s gone. Every value I follow Arsenal for will have left.

I’ve got a local club to continue to support and I can always check in on how Wenger is getting on in Munich, Santi Santi Cazorla in La Liga, and how God’s club is doing, and catch up on other leagues to get my additional fix until dark times pass.

Let’s hope that never comes to be.

Henrik
Henrik

I wont change team now. It doesnt feel right. Buton the other hand, i wont pay money to see arsenal anymore and even if todays game was on a channel i have i didnt watch the full game and i dont get angry anymore when we loose. it seems like the club doesnt care anymore so why should i? It has become a little boring.

Paul Roberts
Paul Roberts

“I wont change team now. It doesn’t seem right” Changing teams is not what fans do over the age of 14 years old! What is happening to our fanbase?? FS!

goonshow
goonshow

100% Paul. Here’ another perspective that may assist those who’re conflicted by the past few seasons:
are you truly going to allow Emery, or Kroenke, or anyone else… to tear away from you something that’s been around for more than a century?
How you answer that question depends on whether you see Arsenal as an entrenched sporting icon – a set of values, beliefs and ideals that stand way higher than any passing phase of ownership, management, players or tactics.

Tim
Tim

I hear you. I do think, however, that that set of values, beliefs and ideals must be kept alive or they will slowly fade away. I wish nothing more than seeing them be upheld again, regardless of results.

Martinellis belly
Martinellis belly

Depends you’ve got the Londoners whether born or who have lived there and those with family connections who will always support them. Then you’ve got the international fans who chose us for our style of play and success.
I’m not someone who disses these fans though. They’re an important part of making us a big club and give us the income to try and compete with the best.
I live in Vietnam at the moment and basically whoever plays the most exciting football, the kids will choose them as their team and probably stick to them for life. The important years are like 8-12. We’ve probably got loads of international fans in the 25-40 bracket because we played such good football when those guys were young. But all the young kids I teach support City or Liverpool now. If we don’t start playing exciting football we’re going to keep losing fans

Paul Roberts
Paul Roberts

I fell in love in the Bertie Mee team era with the 1971 double and my love continued in the George Graham era with the famous title win at Anfield it continued in the Wenger era and it continuous to this day…

TP13
TP13

Do you mean ‘are we all really Chelsea fans ?’ I was there before Wenger and will be after Unai. Not sure what sort of fan you are. Born and raised in N London. Always arsenal !

Martinellis belly
Martinellis belly

Na read it again. I was born and raised in N London too. Im just saying what I observe living in Vietnam now. The kids here obviously pick the most fun/ exciting teams to support. That was us 15 years ago. It isn’t now.

Martinellis belly
Martinellis belly

Oh wait you were replying to someone else. Nvm then!

Fergal
Fergal

Arsenal all the way. Tough times right now but the club is in transition, this was always going to be tough. I feel a bit sorry for Unai to be honest but I hope he goes in the break, we’re horrible to watch and we are not getting champions league at this rate.

Dave
Dave

I’m just gonna put my humble pov here. I fell in love with arsenal during Wenger years indeed, we played amazing football, was fun to watch and loved the philosophy/principles that the team had. We might not have won many things during a long time, but it was always fun to watch the team play. Even today, and with Wenger gone, I’d like the team to continue with the ethos that made me fall in love with the team to start with. I won’t even ask of us to win every single thing out there, but at the very least I wish that the ethos of playing good football and entertain were still in the team. Besides, no, I wouldn’t stop supporting the team, I might not be a UK based fan, but I adore this team, but sometimes it hurts seeing the things we adore breaking apart, and is just what is happening today, and why, I believe, many fans are calling for change.

With that in mind, I do think we have to support the team, of course. But also it means we, as supporters, want the team to do good, and that means wanting things to change, one thing doesn’t take away the other. We all can support the team thru thick and thin, but at the same time, we can and should always wish our team to do better.

Seb
Seb

I reckon that’s a natural reaction to having had a manager for so long. And especially one that was so likeable. I’m from the pre-Wenger era but he was here so long that I don’t feel connected to the club at all at the moment. I think that might be the case for the next few years. But at some point we’re going to stumble upon a great new manager who’ll reinvigorate our love for the club. It’s the times like these that you have to hang on in there. It’ll make the good times even sweeter when they come again.

Adam
Adam

the free flowing creative style of Wenger is key to my fan hood. Will I ever cheer for another club? No never. Will I decrease my interest significantly if we keep being so hopeless and such a boring team to watch? Definitely.

Frank
Frank

i believe the word for what you’re describing is “plastic”

Billy
Billy

There were four managers before Wenger all with a year a piece or so. It’s not like managers that are that good come along instantly. If you thought emery was going to come in right away and boom 10-15 years your naive. He should have been gone last season to be fair with the great crumble that is continuing on now. It’s a sour time right now, but the club is still the arsenal now just like it was with Rioch. Hopefully the board has some sense and have watched a couple of the past few games.

Glenn
Glenn

Arsenal, no matter what. I don’t work my life around the games so I can watch them any more – I have three kids, family takes priority. I haven’t even been motivated to watch highlights in recent weeks, but that doesn’t mean that I don’t care or that I won’t be back when we have a new manager. More that it’s kind of painful to watch…

(Started watching in early 1994, so I remember the 1994/95 season)

goonshow
goonshow

having read right through the thread that Tim’s question has provoked – I feel a large Thank You is in order:
for having the balls to ask that question and so, provoke so many of us to actually reflect on and articulate why Arsenal is ours… not Stan’s or Unai’s or anyone else’s

Tim
Tim

I also appreciated this discussion very much. Polite, informed and meaningful comments from everyone. Thanks to everyone for taking that time to share your opinion.

Martinellis belly
Martinellis belly

Another thing I forgot. As I said you’ve got the tribal fans ie locals who are stuck with Arsenal no matter what but the international wenger era fans are different. They fell in love with this mad team glued for 20+ years to this eccentric philosopher who refused to ever compromise on his attacking football principles.
Thats such a clearly defined unique experience of fanship that its alien for us to adapt to anything else.
At first it was glorious and then it was just almost glorious mixed with frustration so it kept us coming back for more. An unpredictable reward is more addictive.
Thats what we knew for 20 odd years. SO different to other clubs who become a new thing every 3 or 4 so the fans just roll with it.
If the club really wants to recapture some of that passion it desperately needs a strong charismatic personality at the helm to make us feel again but in some ways I think they’re scared of that after Wenger got so powerful. Emery in many ways is the anithesis of him, he’s a personality vaccum and we hate it because its the opposite of everything we’ve ever known.
Anyway I forgot where i was going with this something about Chelsea being popular here in Vietnam a few years ago and now its all Liverpool and City.
Make Arsenal fun again is the main point.

BigArse
BigArse

Terrible, turgid play. Even in the unlikely event we beat Leicester Emery needs to go during this international break. If there is no ready made successor then appoint Freddie interim manager. It is well past time.

dr Strange
dr Strange

That’s really high ratings for the rubbish they produced.

Jfmgunner
Jfmgunner

Because no one seemed to be lazy or error prone, just clearly seemed like tactically they were lost and confused. A team that is capable of so much can only be this collectively terrible if the tactics are wrong. This manager seems to have no clue and is incapable of motivating or instructing his players.

goonero
goonero

What about if you only briefly thought about jamming a fork in the wall socket, do I still get a 10?

Gervinho
Gervinho

The manager will be happy with the draw and that is the problem

DBMÖ10
DBMÖ10

No point rating individual players today, just rate the manager -10 and get on with it.
These players are not to blame for today.

Kentish Gooner
Kentish Gooner

I literally just scroll down to look at the comments now because it’s so depressing reading how shit we are in the reports :'(

A Gorilla
A Gorilla

Shhhh don’t give the game away

Thesoulofpdavis
Thesoulofpdavis

Our manager is making good players and great potential players look awful with his nonsense tactics. We play with the handbrake + the break peddle firmly on even against inferior opposition. Will he not get it that Arsenal are not Sevilla and that the prem is about imposing your influence on teams as opposed to be being the plucky little club that could?

It’s getting silly now. Time for a change. Whether that’s if tact or manager only Raul knows…

Thesoulofpdavis
Thesoulofpdavis

And Ceballos is being poorly man managed imho..

GunnerIain
GunnerIain

0/10 for Vitoria…

Didnt take the chance to put us out of our misery. A point and still top of the group. Had they of beaten us we may of seen the last of Emery, however, no we have to put with his droll and pathetic football “tactics” against Leicester

leweekend
leweekend

Never posted before, but as a (relatively) older fan that turns 50 tomorrow, thought I’d throw in my thoughts after reading Tim’s comment. As a pre-Wenger supporter, I’ve watched this sort of dire performance before – many times. But, given the new ground, these are worrying times. I imagine a significant proportion of the fanbase is there due to Wenger-ball. This is anything but. I too wonder if they will stay loyal to the club. I remember Highbury being 3/4 full when we were shit, so wonder how big the fanbase really is. I can cope with losing and bad times as long as I can see a plan, a vision. I see nothing – no cohesive thinking and no identity. These are my worst times supporting Arsenal in 46 years. That may sound extreme, but this squad is so much better than what is being delivered.

Danny
Danny

To be honest, this match and result don’t really matter. It would have been nice to see bright, expansive football and to win by a sizeable margin, but we’re going to win this group no matter what transpired today. All eyes are on this weekend in our most consequential game of the season. Win, and we’re 3 points off the top 6. Lose, we’re 9 points adrift and for all intents and purposes, the Europa League is our only path back to Champions League football next year. Bearing in mind that Laca and Auba will likely want out this summer if we’re playing in the Europa League again, it makes this weekend’s match even bigger. As much as I accept we need Emery gone, we need a win this weekend even more (even if it earns him an undeserved temporary reprieve). So let’s consign this match to the dustbin and keep our eyes on what really matters: Leicester away this weekend.

Santori
Santori

The (all too maleable)fans have made it worse.

We will have to replace Laca. he or Auba likely gone in the summer.

2) We have midfield issues to deal with too. Granit likely gone as probably cebellos. That means we need another 3 additions of quality, not likely to happen.

3) We still have to resolve Cback. Saliba hopefully lives up to hype (as pepe has). BUT Luiz is panic measure. Mustafi likely gone so again plenty of shortfall to deal with.

Meanwhile if we don’t make top 4 again, will be a big ask for the regime in charge to spend again this summer.

The Arsenal fans deserve what they are getting.

Zadok
Zadok

Don’t you get it ? We are fudging improving. Way to go.

Alex
Alex

I watched the first half fully present, then switched to playing Modern Warfare with the game in my iPad in my field of view. Just terrible

Big Mad Andy
Big Mad Andy

I watched on 6x fast forward

Win,lose or draw Emery remains the wrong choice
Win,lose or draw Emery remains the wrong choice

When a team concedes a last minute goal for the first time,the blame falls on the coach but when it happens more than twice then the players need to take a hard look at themselves…all accusations shouldn’t be put on Emery…that’s not fair at all

Santori
Santori

Exactly.

Too many people like to find blame or fault with one scape goat.

First it was Flamini many seasons back but when he was replaced by Coquelin (to popular approval) Francis and ramsey conspired to let in 14 goals in 7 straight matches subsequently.

Then it was Wenger. Anyone will do even if 3 seasons out of CL was the cry.

then Mustafi. Luiz celebrated (somehow) as an upgrade when in reality he is a panic buy.

then recently another self inflicted problem with Granit. Our fans again prey to media crisis manufacture. As you can see midfield is not improved with Torreira or willock or Ceballos.

now blame shifts entirely to Unai.

Truth is there are many issues that contribute.

1) Unai of course hasn’t helped himself

2) Fans are shite and provide tepid atmosphere if not tetchy environment not conducive to helping the team.

3) Sanlehi and company flattered to deceive in the summer with panic buy Luiz, and overly expensive Pepe (when we could have got Ziyech or Fekir for less with change to spare) and without recourse to having to lose Iwobi. Cback issues not fixed either (panic buy Luiz instead) nor midfield where Cebellos is a Ramsey replacement at best 9and a temporary one) We have yet to find the player in midfield who can control the game for us.

4) As you mention, players also need to take a hard look at themselves.

Redsy
Redsy

Europa league used to be what brightened up my week after a Sunday or Monday night game. i am not sure what is left now that Emery has managed to mess that up also.

Santori
Santori

We never ever were a team with european pedigree.

Europa is at best a distraction.

Fans took it for granted when Wenger was able to sustain us every season for 15 or 16 seasons straight in the top 4.

The ingrates complained it was boring, better to drop out of top four they said so we could win something.

…be careful what you wish for. I mentioned even back then there was no guarantee of winning europa and that the competition was pale in comparison to the much derided top 4 pot.

BUT fans 9as they are now) were prey to media line that top 4 pot wasn’t worth it. Gullible much.

Arsenal fans deserve what they have now.

Schadenfreude.

jcpires
jcpires

Have been a gunners fan since 1986 when i was just 6 , this is probably the worst football i have ever witnessed

jcpires
jcpires

PUTRID
Hasten to add i never called for Wenger to leave as it super to watch even when we lost, however this manager must go!!!!!! couldnt run a bath
Our midfield is non existant, no shape , i want a solid bank of 4 with 1 winger on one side and a ray parlour type on the other, need 4-4-1-1 or else 4-2-3-1
Our tactics are comical, no shape, would love to have Patrick V back within the coaching setup

Paul Roberts
Paul Roberts

Thank you for the bonus rating it stopped me in my tracks! 🙂

Ollie123
Ollie123

Not sure what else to say. We are now a poorly coached side. Simple as that. Emery focuses more on the opposition than his own team and the players very obviously have no clue on how they should play.

Rambo scored in the CL tonight. Anyone blame him for leaving? (and I appreciate we could have got him to stay)

Sad state of affairs. We’ll bounce back but shouldn’t be like this

Paul Roberts
Paul Roberts

I don’t think bouncing back is anytime soon.

Rex
Rex

Wanted to jump out the window, but I’m on the ground floor so it would only be slightly more effective than this Arsenal side under Emery.

WellArsed
WellArsed

Dire.

Shank

Wow………I meet negativity all day long and Jesus wept blogs your negativity is outstanding here.
Away, in the wet, and the performance was plucky by all of our players……..giving general 6s is a lazy way of saying that you’re on the Emery out bandwagon. Nothing wrong with that, ( the Emery out bandwagon), but the site gets more toxic, with the majority here becoming like AFTV.
Take your Tierney rating, 6! Not one bit of recognition he was outstanding tonight, defensively, attacking, touch and awareness……No, no, ignore that , give him a 6……..Jesus wept Blogs , do it properly and don’t have the overall issue you have with Emery, sully a talent like Tierney.
One other thing, Pepe got a tackle that could have broken his leg, but for his athleticism and a bit of good fortune, it didn’t happen………ref got out a yellow. 10 minutes either side of that tackle, that referee ignored every nasty tackle and pull back that Vitoria made……no cards, making the game potentially an injury waiting to happen. Of course when Mustafi pulled back, he got yellow. Terrible, inconsistent referee. So maybe some recognition of the Arsenal players professionalism would be good.
Sure, we had one shot on target, I get that , you’re not happy, but credit where credits due, if that’s not too much to ask.
Your bonus rating was pathetic, something about the crowd sitting through a game like that, when there was a good bit of positivity to make a point about.
I love the site, but come on……balance it out please.
I hope you get behind the team on Saturday.

Ollie123
Ollie123

Not sure what game you were watching mate

Fergal
Fergal

Yup, spot on Ollie. I can’t wait to see Tierney tearing it up for us, but I thought he was pretty poor tonight. And I don’t think it’s toxic here, it has been some times in the past but generally it’s pretty reasonable conversation with a whole bunch of pissed off fans.

Win,lose or draw Emery remains the wrong choice
Win,lose or draw Emery remains the wrong choice

Instead of giving the job to Ljunberg…raul and edu should go tempt Eddie howe over.. He wi happily come and I’m sure Bournemouth would let him go,knowing fully well he has established the club and they want him to get a big job… I guess we should go for eddie howe right now

goonshow
goonshow

Rather Freddie than Eddie any day of the week…

baluku
baluku

I don’t like saying this. But I have to say it. WHEN IS UNAI LEAVING?

Santori
Santori

When you have Mustafi as close to MOTM, you know there’s something wrong with the team.

1) Martinez – kept us in this game with a number of important saves. Had to come out and claim things several times. Wanted to play the ball out quick but our front men were never in position to do so.

2) AMN – Too casual still. Tried to go down the line and crossed a few times but take ons were half hearted. Sometimes, he misses the ball and then goes down when he should be putting in the full shift. Not convinced he has a role if he carries on like this.

3) Mustafi – Again, I’ve mentioned many times how important he is to our backline bc of number of headers he wins. Also he tends to be an outlet for long balls from deep (no Luiz isn’t the only one who can do this). 2 or 3 good long balls today (a couple mispassed). That his goal was one of precious few shots we had on target is indictment enough to our tepid lack of fluency at the moment.

4) Sokratis – One very critical clearance but frankly, Unai put him in to ensure we were more solid at the back bc he has not found solution in midfield. Bit concern we are over using Sokratis with another critical match ahead in the league against Leicester. As mentioned many times, we failed to address pressing issue at Cback in the summer. Sanlehi prefer to add ‘wow factor with the Pepe buy and a very expensive Saliba buy (even if in installments) to no avail this season. Instead we tried to extend on an over the hill Koscielny (he did us a favour not that the fans were grateful) and we panic bought Luiz.

5) Holding – as mentioned, too many fans again convinced themselves he was better than he is. He was solid in a back 3 for us last season, gets turned too easily at times this season so he isn’t the full answer. that said, prefer to play him regularly with Sokratis than Luiz since he is obviously more the future. A couple of times exposed out wide or unnecessarily too high up (considering his pace)

6) Tierney – Again he isn’t the full answer some prefer to think he is. In his defense, he works hard and we do not use him enough. BUT the margin of difference between Kolasinac and Tierney clearly smaller than some would prefer to imagine.

7) Ceballos – Not the deep lying midfield/santi carzola some people prefer to wank themselves off to. At best, we brought in a temporary ramsey replacement this summer but we failed to upgrade in midfield. We lack control which is obvious with granit but even more so without. Got dispossessed several times, and could not form a fluent partnership with Willock. We had very little penetration from the middle. Let far too many long distance shots in at goal from his side.

8) Willock – Again not his fault since he was always only ever going to be a bonus given age. BUT some people preferred to magine him better than he is. Naive play and not able to form short forward passes enough with his midfield partner to take u up the middle. Defensively not there either. All the more pity we have decided to shoot ourselves in the foot, alienate Granit and lessen midfield options further. Stupid fans prey to media = Self inflicted wound.

9) Pepe – Again false dawn last game. Considering money spent, you expect a lot more. We could have saved money to spend on Cback and got equal if not better performers from Ziyech or Fekir. BUT too many fans want to believe Sanlehi was doing the right thing sinking 72m into a winger at expense of defense and midfield solutions. Very poor from Pepe. Could not hold the ball, too slow moving the ball forward. Too many lose passes today.

10) Saka – Another fan favorite that has shown his limitations. All the more indictment of the decision to sell Iwobi (to make up for the Pepe price and Saliba which was foolish given alternatives) We could have bough Ziyech for less, Soyoncu and kept iwobi. Now we are reliant on a young player who will have his ups and down. Both wingers today I felt did not show for the ball enough, preferred to stand too far up in line with the striker rather than come down and show for the ball with our midfield duo. Relation between midfield and attack a particular issue over recent games. At times we look like strangers playing together for the first time.

11) Martinelli – Worked hard but lack of support. Would have liked to see him drop and come for the ball more with the midfield but midfield was completely missing. Some good close control work, other times tried a bit too much. BUT no fault for effort just de-syncopated by the team and lacking fluency.

12) Guendouzi – We are so heavily over reliant on him at the moment. Brighter when he came on as he plays the ball quicker and tries to push forward in midfield. BUT on his own clearly not sufficient solution.

13) Torreira – Another favorite whom some fans prefer not to mention short coming. Clearly we are not any better without Granit anymore than we are with Torreira.

14) Lacazette – He needs to be played more. He brings some control higher up the pitch for us and plays those around him in better but no coincidence we slumped following his loss to injury. Still does not seem 100% back to his best but clearly an important node for us to build on up top. As much as we miss midfield, we have loss fluency up top with players looking strangers to each other and lacking in sufficient belief in enterprise.

Unai – I can see why he went for back 3 to play safe. Probably a wise decision given we have been swamped in midfield by Blades, Vitoria and recently against Palace.

BUT also atest to the fact that he realises he has not got the midfield control he wants.

Now facing the issue of not having control in midfield compounded by self inflicted (by fans) wound of loss of Xhaka further minimising already scarce options.

How to get midfield control and fluency with the attack is critical (never mind usual fragility at the back)

Thos plonkers calling for the gaffer to be sacked need to get their heads checked.

A) WE ARE NOT COMPETITIVE FOR TITLE ANYWAY SO CURRENTLY IN 5TH, WE ARE STILL PLENTY TO PLAY FOR. Ditto europa. Sad as it sounds.

B) He is contracted to end of this season anyway.

c) What options are there in market? Allegri likely won’t bother with us. A less than perfect gaffer may give us a bump but we will be back in square one before long (like Ole) and then the same shite from fans again bc they are too lazy to understand that as much as the gaffer is failing to deliver, last summer was a wash out in terms of addressing squad issues.

Might as well back the gaffer to turn things around but he is skating on thin ice now with Leicester coming up, a squad built with far less resource and punching above us.

Hi-brid
Hi-brid

I didn’t see the game, but these ratings are so typical of Arsenal under Unai Emery, i.e. no individual player was too bad, yet collectively we were terrible.

Onenil
Onenil

Lucky you…

hobokengooner
hobokengooner

Technical question: Is there a way to get the player ratings to show on iPhone or Safari?

Frank
Frank

Well that’s it for me really. I’ve got no ill will towards the manager and I’m sure he can do well elsewhere but… we’ve got to change it. The football is bad, the players look bereft of confidence, the manager has lost authority and looks bereft of ideas and confidence himself and I just can’t see how it can be turned around. I think some forget how bad the football was under wenger by the end but I guess in replacing him I was hoping for some rejuvenation and that we could rediscover ourselves somewhat as a club where things had gone stale but this football isn’t arsenal, it’s dross, and I just long for Arsenal to be “Arsenal” again all round. Is it too much to ask for a charismatic manager, free flowing football and a fanbase that doesn’t eat itself online? Maybe it is haha

Billy
Billy

That was dog doo-doo. Insipid no creativity. Again no one linking with the attack. I’ll bright side this though; Willocks ability to ride a challenge especially is sublime, though he had few touches does Martinelli seem like he special? He seems to do something pretty nifty every time he is on the ball even when it doesn’t work. Though Pepe had a not so amazing game and looks devoid of confidence his dead ball work is pretty darn good. Well… I guess that’s the bright side. Oh maybe emery will be done soon?

Lula
Lula

Its beyond a joke. You can watch slapstick comedy but after the same guy makes the same mistakes over and over and over, it stops being funny and just becomes sad. This needs to change. For the fans, players and manager, alike.

Kismayo
Kismayo

Mustafi man of the match for me

Hitman
Hitman

why cant this team defend? every cross, corner or freekick was not cleared, they could have had 3 or 4 in the first half. they allow the opposition time and space to pepper our goal shots. team got no shape. no plan. Emery sucks- il take wenger back.

mrugunner
mrugunner

unai: 10. i like his strategy copying mourine. big payday ahead!

goonshow
goonshow

I’m not one for knee-jerk reactions, not to players nor (especially) managers. I wasn’t ever on the Wenger-out wagon and have been a voice for patience as regards Emery.

That said, I have slowly reached the tipping point – and become incensed by what this small-minded, narrow-visioned, incommunicative (except his enviable vocabulary of platitudes and cliches), indecisive and frankly, cowardly man has done to our club in less than 2 seasons.

Yes – he inherited a fragmented team with some deadwood.
Yes, he needed time to first, undo the last year or two of Arsene and then refashion our style as he saw fit.
But…
He has had almost two years.
He works in a state of the art infrastructure with one of the world’s great stadia as his desktop.
He has enjoyed (with Auba/Laca as Arsene’s last gifts to him) a far larger player spend than Arsene ever had.
He has the unqualified support of the club.
He has been given a multi-pronged support team with no small amount of skills to offer him.

And yet…

His only ability to surprise or exceed expectation is in the way he continues to find new ways to make us even worse. His latest tactical masterstroke: a single pass into the opposition box from 520 completed, over 95 minutes… ONE!!!!!

I ask you all to pause for a moment, to reflect on just how staggeringly awful that is for a team known not too long ago for their flowing, attacking football.

But this new humiliation is just the latest depth to which the millstone that is Unai Emery has dragged the Arsenal.

Pick a stat… any stat. We continue to rewrite our proud history downwards. The talk last month was about our inability to create for our strikers – how we sit back and allow record numbers of potshots at our goal. And now, Emery had exceeded even that turgid stat: we are scoring… even taking the lead in our last 4 matches. However, in an all-new low, we have managed to blow the lead in ALL of those – 4 successive victories squandered in just 2 weeks…

This man must leave the Emirates tomorrow morning. And never, ever return. He has shamed our great club – not because he has failed to make us better.

But because he has not even tried.

Wayne
Wayne

Terrifying times when Mustafi is our best player and we can’t break down a Portuguese 5th placed team in the Europa League (who finished 9th in primeira the year previous).. Willock passing the ball back to the keeper every time he got it, 3 at the back with Mustafi and Holding didn’t work.. zero creativity in the midfield and when things weren’t happening, nothing changed and it remained stagnant. Personally prefer to have Ozil trying the odd through ball and playing better football than getting run away with by that crowd.. maybe I should have just jumped haha

Tasmanian Jesus
Tasmanian Jesus

Luckily, I didnt have time to watch it.