Freddie promises to keep working as gloom deepens

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Freddie Ljungberg says he’ll keep plugging away as he looks to get Arsenal back on track after Brighton became the latest side to take points at the Emirates.

Adam Webster’s strike nine minutes before half time was a just reward for the visitors’ early dominance against a Gunners side fraught with nerves.

While we fought back in the second half through Alex Lacazette’s headed equaliser, prospects of a first home win since October were killed off when Neal Maupay beat David Luiz in the box with 10 minutes remaining.

No wins in nine consecutive games represents our worst run of form since 1977. We’re 10th in the table, four points off relegation and ten adrift of the Champions League places. We’ve also conceded 253 shots on goal this season, 15 more than champions Manchester City allowed against them all last season. (Stats via @Orbinho)

It. Is. A. Grim. State. Of. Affairs.

Afterwards, Ljungberg reflected: “If you score the first goal you don’t have to chase the game, you don’t have to open up as much because you can control the game so that’s something that, in my opinion, we need to change that a little bit.

“We won the balls but you’re right, when they ran at us it often ends with a shot on target. We’ve had one training session but we’ll keep on working.

He added: “It’s never easy when you sack a manager and you’re low on confidence.

“We started really well at Norwich. We started the second half really well and I was sure we were going to win the game and get going again.

“We get a sucker punch on a counter or as they play down one side. It’s hard to take but we keep plugging away.”

The fact that the club sacked Emery without a clear plan about what to do next, doesn’t bode particularly well. It’s almost like they were completely blind to the problems under the Spaniard until the ‘noise’ grew too much for them to ignore.

Since a week ago, a huge number of names have been touted to take the head coach role on a permanent basis, including Ljungberg’s. He says he’ll do whatever the club asks of him.

“It’s up to the club and what they want to do,” he said.

“There’s nothing I can get involved with I said I love this football club and I’ll help them with whatever they need help with and it’s up to them to make a decision.”

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Francesc
Francesc

Get Rafa Benitez.. The King of Bad Times

Eh what?
Eh what?

I love freddy. I’m sure we all do. But Rafa ticks a lot of the boxes we desperately need ticking right now. Surely?

Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia
Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia

Freddie needs to do a couple of things off the pitch. No player should come to training in a luxury car. They will all come to training in used Honda Civic. I can seĺl mine to one of them.

Forget about it
Forget about it

So basically, you are selling a car?

mpls
mpls

I’d work out a trade if I were you.

Bould's Eyeliner
Bould's Eyeliner

How many miles/kilometers. Good engine on a Civic, as good as most unmodded sedan engines for that size.

para
para

Make them all the same level else they will never be a team?
Someone once said that “it is a sick society when the rich can only enjoy being rich when others are poor”.

truj
truj

Agreed. We need him in a battle against going down and he is a man with great experience in that. Another elit candidates are for the teams competing at the top, therefore no need to waste talent in the bottom half.

Futsboller
Futsboller

We don’t have the players to do what everyone wants Rafa Benitez to do — which is batten down the hatches, play 8 in holding/defensive positions, and see out matches by the narrowest of margins. We need 14 new players for that.

This team is a mess at the moment, a combination of all-out attackers and not-so-good holding/defensive ones, a combination of the old regime and the new, because we haven’t any ingrained sense of how we want to play football. Emery had no discernible identity to stamp on the team for the past year, and we won’t just go back to being Arsenal overnight because Freddie is in charge now — it will take weeks to build back up a style of play, the right automatisms and combinations, and longer still before that becomes second nature. There is no quick fix for Arsenal, and we all have to be patient through this horrible spell.

Freddie understands the task at hand, and he’s not hiding behind anything (the same could not be said for Emery and upper management). He does not have a lot of experience, and that makes people rightly uncomfortable, but Freddie and Per will get this team back on track.

It is frustrating to see the same old incompetence on the pitch from the same old faces, but in Freddie’s defence he is trying the first thing a new manager should try, which is putting faith in the senior players and hoping they can lead the team out of the dark. It’s not working. He will now be forced to start experimenting; not ideal, but hopefully it proves productive. I still think we need to set up the team to blitz — back four, one holding midfielder, and the other five with attacking intent. We’ll see.

Santori
Santori

Too right.

I disagree we need 14 new players but we are certainly short in capability in key areas unaddressed by Sanlehi last summer.

We went for wow factor in Pepe but paying out 72m has a down side with risk of making a player less hungry.

We could have spent way less on Ziyech or Fekir (kept Iwobi one more season for experience) and put good money into an immediate Cback in Soyoncu instead of Saliba.

Central midfield also a problem as Cebellos (himself temporary) not entirely the Santi Carzola many prefer to imagine him. For that matter, Torreira has short comings many prefer not to see either.

When he has played for us, we have not been anymore secure. Last game against BHA, he was positionally too far from Granit.

But as you will see, some will have him as our solution when facts bear otherwise.

SharpasFc
SharpasFc

I like this post. It’s closer to the thing I expect to see from our knowledgeable fan base. It’s easy to have knee jerk reactions but they don’t actually help the situation at all.

Cultured determination
Cultured determination

Yup. We need to look for similarities when we hire. Rafa has the experience of working with a shit owner. He’ll do well.

Badaab
Badaab

Funny that you think notorious cheapskates kse would bring in rafa, who reportedly would cost 20m to get out of his contract in China…

Der32
Der32

Tone deaf KSE. I guess Wenger made their job so easy in the past decade they never learned how to manage a proper football club. Let’s hope Freddy and all the real Arsenal guys in the staff can get the club through this crisis. Edu – I hope you’re one of us!

IamaGoober
IamaGoober

Mate this is how they run all of their franchises, by literally not running them.

The only one they’re trying to do something with are the Rams, but even they’re still fucking pants, sure they made the Super Bowl last season, but that was down to the structure of the draft picks, not because of anything the Kroenkes have done.

All the teams in their portfolio are all absolutely dire. And since they’ve been involved at Arsenal they are running us into the ground.

One of our friends works at the Colorado Rapids, and he basically said told us that they’re struggling too because theyre seriously under funded much like Arsenal, and are plagued with similar finacial issues due to their clueless ownership.

Wenger was perfect for them, he just took all the flak and never said a word because thats the man he was. Now without him around to hide behind, these guys are getting exposed for the criminals they are.

As fans we have to do everything in our power to get these fucking cunts out of Arsenal. We have to start putting pressure on them, not on people like Freddie and Per.

The Kroenkes have to go

Nketibag
Nketibag

I think everyone is missing the point that the reason the Kroenke’s were selected in the first place is precisely because they didn’t interfere with the club. Wenger was in full control and Arsenal didn’t want owners who were present and proactive because that would undermine him. They should step up now he’s gone, but that is not and never has been how they work.

Dave M
Dave M

We selected the Kroenkes?! Lol…Sit down my son, we have some things to talk about in regards to capitalism.

Nketibag
Nketibag

Where did i say that? They were chosen by the ex Arsenal board as they didn’t interfere with the football side of the club. Son

Dave M
Dave M

Here:
“I think everyone is missing the point that THE REASON THE KROENKE’S WERE SELECTED in the first place is precisely because they didn’t interfere with the club.”

Arsenalista
Arsenalista

I think you are wrong, Nketibag said that they were chosen, which they were by the old board. They didn’t have to sell to them but they did because they CHOSE to. They would have known all about KSE and what they bring to the table. The rot set in a long time ago my friend.

Dave M
Dave M

Once again i think your missing the point of how these things work. They sold to them because the Kroenkes offered them a lot of money…I’m sure sentiment played very little part in it at all, but sure they told fans it was all about that to make themselves look and feel better. But seriously you going to buy that rubbish that the board “chose” the Kroenkes like they were some destiny’s child? Money talks…

IamaGoober
IamaGoober

@Dave M

You’re exactly right.

Its now become completely clear thats exactly what the Emirates project was. It had nothing to do with making us as big as Man United or more competitive.

Which is what we were led to believe at the time.

Pain and simply, they wanted to build Arsenal a new stadium so they could drive the shareprice up, to then fucking sell us. Which they did.

David Dein absolutely fucked us. He bought 16% stake in the club for £292,000 in 1983. And hes made fucking shit loads off of that investment. They all have.

Hillwood, Bracewell-Smith, Carr, Fiszmann. They sold us down the river basically.

IamaGoober
IamaGoober

@Nketibag

They didnt select the Kroenkes. There wasnt some sort of selection process where they got to choose betwen various candidates, eventually opting to go with KSE.

Dein pretty much just tipped up to Arsenal one day with Kroenke, and was trying facilitate a sale.

The board pretty much were like, who the fuck is that guy?
Then it came to light that basically Dein previously knew Kroenke, as he brokered the deal that saw Stan buy ITV’s 9.9% stake in Arsenal, which they didnt know about either.

So the Arsenal board rightly felt that Dein had well over stepped his mark and thats why he got fucked out and thats the long and short of why we’re in this mess basically

arseblog
Admin

Correct.

Dein was obviously an influential part of our success in the Wenger years, but I’m always amazed he’s viewed as a kind of saviour rather than the man who set in motion the chain of events that has us where we are today.

Badaab
Badaab

The rams only got the draft picks you’ve mentioned because stan threw a fit in St Louis and traded away his players after the city refused to buy his private business a new home.
What I am wondering is… what did josh say to the players when emery was sacked? Did he even need to be there at training? I think probably not, and what he did/said was more harm than good.

Arsenalista
Arsenalista

I completely agree, but how do we get these vampires out of our club. Its almost impossible as long as they are turning a profit. THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT THE FANS

Yankee Gooner
Yankee Gooner

I think the players are taking the lead on this one—when they get AFC into a relegation battle, KSE will have to care a bit more.

s6boy
s6boy

then don’t give a fuck about them if a partner did that to you im sure you would fuck them off if you had tried to support them and if they just took the piss fuck em off regardless of the hit to your pocket it will be theirs that suffers in the long run as some fans are doing now by showing the love to the club and voting with their feet and they are season ticket holder full respect to them from me for standing up for theirselves and us

Magazine_Gap
Magazine_Gap

I’m glad a few of us have seen the light for a while. Kroenke had been a disaster for AFC.

Oregoon
Oregoon

The comparison is pretty simple. Sports in the United States is a fixed proposition. Vast amounts of money come in via TV rights, the owners have fixed salary caps, and there is no risk of being relegated to a lower league. What does that lead to? For the most part, good organizations stay near the top, average ones may rise to the top occasionally, and poor ones usual stay at the bottom. Last up not least, Americans love sports and seem to be willing to spend money going to games to watch mediocre on field product without giving a toss.

Now look at what the Prem has to offer. Some teams with almost unlimited funds, vast TV money that allows teams to be competitive with most others, and the most dire, the specter of relegation. American ownership is liking swimming with sea bass, while the Prem is a shark tank. In 16 months or so of full ownership of Arsenal, has KSE showed us they are on the front foot of a plan to be a force again in the league let alone survivors? Probably not, that they are turning us into the worst thing of all-irrelevant.

This league seems to be big for them. It would be best for all concerned if they sold out, but I don’t see that happening for at least five more year unless someone would be willing to overpay for the club.

s6boy
s6boy

then empty the stadium and stop buying the merch talk is cheap like them

Des Lynam
Des Lynam

It hurts man. But remember, it was often said about Wenger leaving, “It could get worse before it gets better”… Only way I see this club coning out of this is a really clever/lucky managerial appointment or KSE seliing the fuck up. I do not think either will happen quickly. Buckle up.

Francesc
Francesc

It’s fine.. need to keep trying.. Liverpool wandered around the mid table from 2010-2016 before they became what they are today..

Yolo Toure
Yolo Toure

I used to give my flatmate (Liverpool fan) so much shit for Liverpool being that average mid table team for all those years, and now…now we’re them! He gloats, I deserve it.

Joey Jojo Jr Shabadoo
Joey Jojo Jr Shabadoo

And to think. We probably could’ve had Klopp if we were a bit more proactive in spotting the start of our decline.

Godfrey Twatsloch
Godfrey Twatsloch

Many fans at the time didn’t want him. It was “Klopp the Flop” and all that. As far as flops go, he’s done alright since then.

crapaud
crapaud

Freddie was the only sensible short term answer but unless/until there is a long term solution (which is desperately needed – and quickly) which addresses failings at executive and boardroom level then the footballing side of things is always going to be unpredictable at best and a slow train wreck at worst.

Dave M
Dave M

Freddie is just too close to the current squad. He needs to make a career somewhere else first – stepping up from assistant at the same club (one that is a current train wreck) is not the right option – he’s too close to the situation and simply has to hold sympathies for the players. We need someone fresh to not have these pre-determined relationships.His selection smacks of this.

Anyone who thinks xhaka should be playing has zero idea about modern football. His limitations (slow, inability to travel with the ball, terrible against counters) make us completely unable to control the middle of the pitch. This game was classic xhaka (again)… Médiocrity in a nutshell… Passed by in mid many times, makes a few nice passes to excite the masses but once again we completely lack drive through the middle of the pitch. Gets caught on the ball. Missed passes lead to counters because he is too slow to cover.

Mooy COMPLETELY outplayed him in every way. Mooy was everywhere (with and without the ball in attack and on defence – 9/10 game from mooy), whereas xhaka covers a thin strip down the middle of the pitch. Immobile and slow.

Our defense, Freddie thinks the way out is experience. But our experience isn’t good enough anymore. Sok and Luiz are walking disasters. I thought (maybe hoped) we’d be ok with Luiz until Saliba came, but he is a calamity. He picks Laca and Auba because they are our best players. But it’s not working. Laca has been poor since his injury (bordering on his worst form at Arsenal) – Auba isn’t a winger. Make the tough call, not the safe call.

Ozil…god dam he limits us. So beautiful, but so limited. His idea of defense is running towards where the ball is and then hovering around the player (that’s literally it). Never challenges anyone especially in the air. Use him as an impact sub, but other than that he’s done. He’s a shell of his former self. Make the tough call, not the safe call.

Freddie is NOT the answer.

Ealing
Ealing

A lot of right points, but not all

Birdkamp
Birdkamp

Mooy is totally one-paced, and was possibly the least athletic player on the pitch yesterday. But what I think he has over our midfield is composure and the capacity to work in tight situations. The collective absence of those qualities has hurt us since Cazorla got injured like four years ago. We miss midfielders who can read the game and anticipate, both defensively and in attack.

That’s a long-term problem. When Ljungberg came in he said he wasn’t going to rock the boat too much. It would be silly if the personnel isn’t there anyway. He probably has a long-term vision for the team that is a long way from what’s on the pitch right now. It’s anyone’s guess if he’ll be able to implement it, or if he’s even good enough to get that chance.

Dave M
Dave M

You won’t get an argument from me about Mooy not being the most athletic player in the world. But neither was cesc fabregas, neither was Pirlo, neither was Xavi, neither was Arteta (even Santi – although he had some impressive acceleration). Not everyone has to be, but if they are not they need to make up for it with tight ball control, vision, ability to deal with the press and defensive positioning and tackling. Mooy has all those things. Xhaka has one or two (vision when he has space and positioning is generally pretty good). But he also sticks to a channel straight through the centre of the pitch (about a 25m corridor) all game from top of one box to the top of the other. Compare that to Mooy who is literally EVERYWHERE on the pitch. I mean their 2nd goal is all down to his workrate.

That is the problem so often people see Mooy as a bit slow (although he still moves deceptively well) so they think “oh, he’s just mid table fodder”. But he is so much more than that. He is always in space to receive the ball – even in tight quarters he finds space and moves it quickly and can spot a pass. Not only that but he can turn guys too when needed. And I agree with you we’ve missed that since Santi. Xhaka is USELESS in tight spaces. He panicks when closed down because he knows he can’t turn past guys so he looks for the quickest pass he can often to someone already under pressure and we get turned over into a break and he doesn’t have the mobility to get back and defend.

Mooy’s workrate is EXCEPTIONAL also on defense he runs all game getting into position and breaking up play. IMO he’s one of the better mids not at a top 6 team. Would love to see him at Arsenal. Plays with passion too…and gods dammit we need some of that!

Birdkamp
Birdkamp

I think Mooy is good enough that everyone at Brighton and Australia can defer to him, and he can be the main playmaker. Maybe it’s a bit like, say, Joe Allen at Swansea. But the step up to a big club may mean he won’t be able to play with the same authority. Obviously I don’t know for sure.

What gets me is that there was this archetypal Arsenal midfielder – think Hleb, Rosicky, Cesc, Nasri – that everyone assumed we had too many of. And then about seven years ago we stopped recruiting them. Arteta and Cazorla were the last in that line. Wilshere faded and after 2014 Ramsey became a sort of auxiliary forward.

Footballers in this mould are essential to the style Ljungberg seems to want to play, but so few in this squad can be trusted with the basics of passing football. Willock, Guendouzi and Ceballos have all looked promising at different times, but nobody knows how they’ll end up.

Arsenalista
Arsenalista

Ljungberg needs to sink this boat never mind rocking it. This team needs an absolute overhaul. Blogs said he thinks we should get Benitez in, I would have never of said that before but now that I think about it, his brand is crisis and we are definitely that.

Jht
Jht

Remember that tgisnis bot Freddie’s mess, this is purely and 100% Unai Emery’s and blame needs to lie in his shoulders, not a bit on Freddie’s. So after being in charge for 1 week its impossible for him to make massive changes or improve players or team play, but unlike that confusing lot Unai he speaks clear, honest and proper stuff about our current state and where to improve.

I thought to emulate what unai would have said after yesterdays game, but even thought of that was too painfull.

We need to give Freddie some time and accept the fact that we are infected. Its like a doc giving you cancer diagnosis and you want answers NOW, but its same with this that we got diagnosed, Freddie and his teams are the docs and they know what to fix.

More than our defence I am starting to get worried about the offencw though. Auba and Laca, especially Laca, is like a piece of garbage in front of goal. Lucky bounce yesterday doesnt change the fact that they were played in, they had plenty of changes and they keep huffing them one after another. At this level you cant keep doing that. Mesut is ghosting sideways like a luke skywalker without any proper threat of scoring, so this stuff needs to change now. These lots take their starting lineup place for granted, but do they deserve it? Currently Laca and Özil at least are lurking like couple of prics infront of wallmart at 5am after night out. Wtf. Come on.

We love this club, we want to see it succeed, but we cant aford to run things like before. We need to get control of these games, hold up possession, eliminate opposition threat. For f sake 20 shots by Brighton yesterday. Keep possession, ein back balls, tackle, get tucked in, do the basic stuff.

gooner
gooner

Play a front three of Auba, Laca, Pepe with Ozil in the number 10 position behind them. something that surprisingly the fans haven’t seen at all.

For one reason or the other we haven’t played players in their best positions. Only Auba gets defended for being out of position.
looking at minute 74, Auba pretends to be falling back to cover defensively, then stops, then realises there’s danger then tries getting back. A minute later he does the very same thing only that this time the danger is more severe.
You could actually see a furious Luiz point towards the position he was meant to cover maybe afraid to confront the captain directly. He furiously goes on with it and has a word with Papa about it. That’s when Freddie takes Auba from the wing with the substitution.
And why was Luiz marking two players for their second goal? gets stick but where was everyone else?

Time to play Ozil behind a front 3 of Auba, Laca and Pepe and we see what we can do with our best attackers in positions they excel in.

Proud Arse
Proud Arse

Mate, it’s obvious, if you want the type of player with the natural grit to defend as a unit, you could pick carefully out of this lazy bunch (i’ve had enough of the circus clowns of Mustafi, Sokratis, Luiz, and the slow granny Xhaka). Martinelli (press hard and track back), Ceballos if fit and maybe Laca, but you could only choose 1 with Auba still I think deserved the lone CF position (so Laca will be dropped to the bench), then if freddie can change the mentality of this bunch, why didn’t he try the brenda’s similar formation of 4-1-4-1, but he must give up possesion and make us sit tight to counter, and the 4 midfielders must stay compact in the straight line middle and the back four stay at the back mostly, the FBs only occasionally bombarding forward. Cause let’s face it we are shite at keeping possesion and with Auba’s, Martinelli, and Pepe’s electric pace, it could work out with the counter attack set up.

4-1-4-1:

Leno

Bellerin Chambers Holding Tierney

Toreirra

Pepe Guendouzi Ceballos Martinelli

Aubameyang

Dave M
Dave M

100%

.Only difference I’d make is Ceballos for Willock (unless we know we’re going to keep him). But I’m ok with Ceballos too. (If Ceballos stays) they are both a huge part of our future!

Give the reigns to the kids. The experienced guys are the source of this rubbish and yet they keep getting trotted out there. I’m sure they are all nice likeable guys, but FFS this isn’t about being nice! That is an has been Arsenal’s problem for the last decade…too nice!

BlowHound
BlowHound

Proud Arse, I totally agree with your formation (and I rarely agree with anyone’s formation). These are, I think, our best eleven players at the moment, and, if all fit, should be starting.

jon

The defense has been a problem for several years. But now the midfield is in a state of implotion too. Four players on top won’t help.

Dave M
Dave M

Auba is a bloody striker!! I mean come on. Every man and his dog can see his best position and here you are saying to keep him out wide because that is “our best attackers in positions they excel in”…

Give the keys to the kids. The adults have failed again. Reminds me of the global problems we face. The adults have failed, so why the fuk do we keep persisting with old white men in charge. Time for the kids to give it a go, it really can’t get much worse.

s6boy
s6boy

bit racist you twat

Martinellis belly
Martinellis belly

I would sayin Auba’s defence it seems he had diaorreah and I can’t think of a worse scenario than having diaorreah in the middle of a match in front of 60,000 fans. Imagine if he turned his shorts brown.

s6boy
s6boy

rest of the team did

Fabulous
Fabulous

We never got it? That’s what we got yesterday after Pepe was subbed on. And a front 3 of Auba Laca Pepe with Ozil behind is somewhat abysmal, in case you missed how our 2nd half transpired. No balance whatsoever. And Ozil is reverting to form again, offering absolutely nothing in attack and neither in defense.

chuffy
chuffy

I really feel relegation is a possibility this season. After West Ham away, which we could lose, we have 3 games against City, Chelsea and United. Then I think we’re away at Bournemouth and Everton, who will have a better manager in by then. We’re 5 points off 18th place. Even if we manage to win one of those 6 games and the teams around the bottom pick up wins here and there, we’ll slide down the table. By then Auba and Laca will probably have made the decision to quit. Sorry for the doom and gloom, but this is the worst I’ve ever seen my Arsenal in in my life time and as a fan. I watch every single game and each game gets worse and worse. I’ll always support Arsenal, but we’re in big trouble.

Proud Arse
Proud Arse

Well if Freddie and Mert were allowed to play on the field, they would defend and organised better midfield than this shower of shy.

Rosapirescastle
Rosapirescastle

We need to get the king of short term solutions and defensive stability Rafa in ASAP.

Regardless of if we keep Fred or no I think we need to score more goals yes but also need to get back to basics .

Laca – Auba – Ozil is not working nor wont for the predicament we are in .
We need a LW to work their bullox off, Saka is an exciting option and maybe needs a run of games but I think Nelson might actually be more inline with what we need just now .
Nelson on front of Tierney, other option is just push Sead into that postion but Id prefer see what Nelson has to offer or indeed Saka .

Pepe – Auba – Nelson could provide more functional options rather than guys who want it to feet all the time and are looking for slide pass .

Midfield functioned but more games asn structure for Torerria and Xhaka should see better returns with Guendozi or Willockj closing down in front of them .

these are dire times lads, hard to imagine place we are when in all reality if we hadnt fucked up against Watford and drawn with Utd we were in second place.
thats a distant memory .

Bring in Christensen at Chelsea and or Schar at Newcastle for defense .
For now Play Chambers and Holding if fit CB .
Get more structure and work horses into team, youth who will give their all , strip it back and just hope for best is all we can do .

Kanu Believe It
Kanu Believe It

“Shower of shy”

I love how this is -presumably- a mistake for shit, but still describes our shambles of a team.

Pajanee
Pajanee

Im so worried about relegation that I will happily accept if we bring Rafa benitez at the club. At least he knows a bit about what to do to avoid relegation

ATG
ATG

No manager will be able to change this around those players mental state is shot to pieces!

CharlieTheChump
CharlieTheChump

After the summer business I said it was only the start, it would take 2 or 3 windows (min) to sort the player roster and build a defence/midfield even capable of withstanding bottom table teams (which we now are….).
Socratis was wrong a year ago. Luiz was never the answer. Meanwhile Maitland-Niles, Willock – now even Guendouzi – have been sacrificed too soon in their nascent playing careers.

KSE budget constraints are now seen to be the problem they always were.

Forget top 4, avoid relegation, try for Europa wins but expect more player churn for a couple of seasons & brace for Auba & Laca exits . . .

What if Bayern DO come in for Leno???

jon

I liked Arsene and Unai. Freddie is also very likeable. But this might be too big for him. During the Brighton match, the television cameras frequently zoomed in on Freddie and BFG on the bench, looking absolute clueless. As the audience, they hardly belived what they saw.

I think this calls for an older coach with tons of experience, confidence and a proven record: Carlo Ancelotti.

Ealing
Ealing

Ancellotti ruined Napoli

Patty knight
Patty knight

Our problems began with Wenger signing too many unknown and unproven players. Signing weak meek and feeble players the likes of Ozil and mustafi .Too many wasted transfer windows not solving our most urgent matters letting player contracts run down loosing our best players till the whole squad has become a liability.
Giving blind faith to fringe players Rosiscky diaby Wilshere stayed for too long.
The list goes on and on and on.
The problem continued in the Emery era not knowing our main problems ,loosing mislintat,
Loosing all our creative players in the summer bar Ozil and only replacing with Ceballos a premier league unproven player
Also taking too long to dismiss Emery. And currently taking too long to find a replacement

jon

I attended WestHam-Sheffield United some weeks ago. When WestHam had the ball, United played a very traditional defense – four defenders with four midfielders in front, both fours in straight lines with little space between. Like Milan 1990. But it is very effective. If United had had at least one decent attacker, they would have won by several goals.

Switch to Arsenal-Brighton. We were organized like a chicken flock. The central defenders were approximately where they should, but the midfield that should protect them were all over the place.

As for now, “keine experimente”. One has to return to something traditonal, proven and build from there.

Malcolm Tucker
Malcolm Tucker

Blogs, please stop going on about some magical formation being the solution. Over the past 10 years, we have either gone bargain basement or specifically recruited players with one attribute. They can spray the ball about a bit. Ozil, Zhaka, Mustafi, Luis can put in a decent pass but offer nothing else. Some of our kids might end up ok in 3 or 4 years time.

Major investment in big tough athletes has been seen as beneath us. It will take 5 years of recruitment to fix.

PTAFC

Surely Freddie knows the players and their best positions? Team is so unbalanced. Why doesn’t he tell Torreira just to seat in front of the back four. We are making teams look like Barcelona. Proper coach in now

HoldenontoArsenal
HoldenontoArsenal

When you surrender the first goal and fans boo you off the pitch at the half….sitting back in defense at Arsenal with our players will lose you the managers job in 3.5 matches. That is why you do not tell Torreira to just sit back

max
max

went to the match yesterday, the first after many months, having decided I did not want to watch that kind of football. But I thought this was the time to give them a chance again and show support. I have to say we are much better than under previous manager in the attacking part fo our game and almost always dangerous when we get there. the point is that we do not manage to control the game at all, so the chances to be in the attacking section are not enough. to get Ozil at full speed we need to be playing attacking football and control the game. but that part is encouraging. I also liked the formation and I think, apart from Willock, who was a bit all over the place (and , contrary to points made here, his pass for Auba was wrong, too deep, and even if Auba had gove there he would not have been able to get in front of the defender…….) that would be close to my favourite set up, with Torreira and Xhaka in midfield.

the main think that was evident for me yesterday – and often you do not see this while watching the match on TV – is that the confidence is very, very low. I think Unai Emery has completely destroyed it…….
when you look at the quality of the individual players, and also considering the bench and the young talents, it is an impressive group of players, if we only had a manager…..
having watched the match yesterday, I thought if we only had an Ancelotti kind of manager…… unfortunately is not free, but I can see him taking this set of players and getting the most out of them.

let’s be positive though!

Kanu Believe It
Kanu Believe It

The key question is rapidly becoming “What is Stan’s get rid point?”.

It will take the managerial appointment of a lifetime to prevent what looks like an unarrestable slide further into mediocrity for years.

I dont think this lot have that type of move in their locker.

So, how much shitter will we have to become before Stan moves on?

Magazine_Gap
Magazine_Gap

Start burning the effigies mate, Kroenke doesn’t give a shit what anyone thinks about him until the pitchforks are out.

Jean Ralphio
Jean Ralphio

Freddie has to be brave now with the centre back pairing and going forward he has to drop Laca for Auba (alternate between the two maybe depending on the opposition). We are in desperate need of tricky wingers so Pepe has to start. Ozil, as much as people now want him out, is our most creative player. I’d also play Martinelli or/and Saka.

I would keep Freddie in charge until at least Standard Liege because I still think our worst performances came under Emery. Tactics aside, the earlier lack of identity and the owners not acting earlier has sapped all the confidence and self-belief from the team. If we can just get a win! I really thought yesterday night would be that win we needed.

This season reminds me of Borussia Dortmund’s 14/15 season. I really hope we can bounce back from this.

Fatgooner
Fatgooner

Like most Arsenal fans I absolutely love Freddie. He was a great player and a very likeable personality around the club. But it already looks like he’s the wrong man for the deep crisis that we’re in right now. The club needs to move very quickly and bring in a caretaker manager who can stop the rot and stabilise the team. We are in free-fall and are heading for a relegation battle. An experienced boss is what’s required immediately, along with a serious injection of cash to allow us to bolster our tragically awful defence.

But don’t expect anything dramatic from the “board” or the owner. They have already proved themselves to be spectacularly useless. Indeed, the crisis that we are now in the middle of can be traced back to the beginning of this decade when Stan bought a controlling interest in the club. Since then his “management” of Arsenal Football Club has been criminally incompetent. From staying loyal to Wenger for at least five years to long, to employing a mono-lingual mediocre Spanish boss who didn’t know how coach a defence, Stan has been the real culprit all along. And Stan’s appointments Raul and co look like rabbits caught in a pair of very bright headlights at the moment. When you hear that Raul blocked the move to bring David O’Leary on to the board you don’t know whether to laugh or cry. David has probably forgotten more than Raul or Stan will ever know about football.

Expect to see half-empty stadiums at the Grove until the end of the season. Good. Fans deserting the games is what finally got Wenger the boot. Wouldn’t be great if, after seeing all those tens of thousands of empty seats, Stan finally got the message and sold up?

We can only hope.

baz00r
baz00r

There is too much risk going with a Premier League unproven right now, the wrong appointment now could spell disaster.

Do we really want to appoint Arteta, Viera or another manager that has never managed an EPL game at this dire stage?

That would be madness.

If they don’t go with Benitez or Ancelotti then they’re fucking clueless.

Magazine_Gap
Magazine_Gap

They’ve established long ago they are fucking clueless so it’s best to bet on the most ridiculous and ineffective outcome.

jon

The most talented manager in the Premier League was at the Grove Thursday: Graham Potter.

Cultured determination
Cultured determination

Anyone has suggestions on line up, playing style? Pls reply and post.

Cultured determination
Cultured determination

The idea of a head of football controlling the transfers and focusing on academy is to be able to play a certain style. A football identity. Like farca and their tiki taka style. So any manager who comes in must play tiki taka.
So raul is in charge of transfers. What has he bought to indicate the style of play for us?

Duck
Duck

this is pretty outlandish stuff, but at this stage it’s got to be worth a try – maybe our defenders could try to close down opposition players when they’re about to cross the ball?

Alan Sunderland's Mighty Perm of Justice
Alan Sunderland's Mighty Perm of Justice

Our ‘defenders’ would reply, “What is this ‘closing down’ you speak of?”

Trump
Trump

Have some faith in Freddie!
Gonna get the win v West Ham

meletios
meletios

I am more than happy for Freddie to continue but feel he is working with his hands tied.
Because players he can be out in next weeks or end of season, I dont think they are putting in much effort for him.
Also his approach also depends on how long he knows he is going to do the job.
E.g. if he was appointed as the permanent head coach, he could start by working on the defense and then look at the attacking side. But as it stands now he is looking to deliver wins which puts the emphasis to different areas of the team all together.

Frankly I have no idea who we should be getting, but at least we know the team balance is all wrong.
But increasingly , from very afar Poch is guy I think we need…desperately.
I just the increased freedom, control, staying in London and potentially more money is enough for him to move out of the dark side.

Alan Sunderland's Mighty Perm of Justice
Alan Sunderland's Mighty Perm of Justice

Did you really think these frauds wouldn’t let down a legend like Freddie?

Give Freddie a pair of pliers and a blowtorch. These idiots need a massive kick up the arse.

Not fit to wear the shirt.

We need a massive George Graham style clear out. And a hard as fuck disciplinarian manager to find out the few that should be allowed to stay. Ancelotti would do for me.

Stop bigging up these crap players at our club (not all gooners, but some go on as though Xhaka or Ozil are world beaters).
They’re shit. And if you allow this board to plod on with this garbage we’re getting relegated.

No manager could work with this shower of absolute amateurs.

Freddie is blameless. About time we looked at the players.

Rant over.

Viv
Viv

Play chambers and holding as defenders
Toriera not to cross the half way mark

Only one wing back goes to other half at any given time

Don’t just go for the easy passes , sometimes give it the other way

Ozil should not run back..and should not be given ball in tight situations.Make sure you get a team yellow every game.

Try different types of corners..ins outs and back to the play near the box
Try Luiz in holding role

May be we will do better

jon

Chambers and Holding are even worse than Sokratis and Luiz. What we are missing is organisation.

Badaab
Badaab

Play the u23 side next match instead. At least they give a shit… or hell, play the ladies (likely unable to because different league) because they are thrashing other sides.

St,macca
St,macca

Freddy needs time to get it right but that is now a luxury he does not have, look at our next 6 premiership fixtures, away to West Ham, Bournemouth and Everton and home to Man City Chelsea and united. On current form how many points realistically would you expect from that lot? We are in big trouble and could well find ourselves in a relegation scrap come January.
The board need to act decisively now, that is in no way meant as any disrespect to Freddy but this job is to big for him at this point in his coaching career, its the boards relutance to act has got us into this mess, they need to act now before a crisis becomes a catastrophe.

soffen

I realistically expect 1 or perhaps 2 points from those 6 matches….Please explain why I should expect more

ScotchEggsRule
ScotchEggsRule

Is Tierney injured? If not, why is Kolasinac playing in his spot?

Santori
Santori

I did not see any Tierney master class when he came on. In fact we leaked a goal and our left was very open.

I thought Kolasinac was very good on the day and competitive.

You actually watching the game?

HoldenontoArsenal
HoldenontoArsenal

Did we ever stop to consider that a big part of the reason our manager was fired without a plan in place to replace him….that is because it is the fans and not ownership making the decision on when and how to fire him? If you want a functional ownership ( they both deserve to be questioned while also manage many other sports franchises ) stop trying to make their decisions and timelines for them.

Magazine_Gap
Magazine_Gap

Worst excuse I’ve ever seen for Kroenke shitshow. Congratulations.

HoldenontoArsenal
HoldenontoArsenal

Dunk, their captain quoted “ we knew if we got on top of them their own fans would turn on them “. Potential managers, other teams, our manager, our players. They all know too many Arsenal fans are fair weather fans.

Santori
Santori

One of the poorest supporters in the league.

So easily to bait them into crisis (see media)

No Wenger still a problem. No Unai still a problem. No Flamini still no midfield. No Mustafi still leaking in defense. No Granit we were still poor.

They love to scapegoat and frankly contribute to a lousy and tetchy atmosphere.

I don’t think many key players care to fight for us at the moment.

These sort of things cut both ways, idiots on AFTV demanding to be respected well you also have to respect and support your own players.

Be careful what you wish for.

Arsenal fans simply getting Schadenfreude.

HoldenontoArsenal
HoldenontoArsenal

Take a deep breath, replacing or not replacing the manager at this point in the season, with new managers all knowing our fans will turn on them at a moments notice….this will take time. Our locker room is blowing up, the team/players struggling. Might get worse before better. We need to behave like true fans and adults, not spoiled kids angry because we don’t always get what we want.

Santori
Santori

Absolutely right.

Fans need to get a grip.

We live in the real world.

More than likely this will get worse before it gets better.

We do not want to rush into appointing managers willy nilly and firing them 6 months down. It will cost us even more in terms of restructuring undoing further mistakes and we will bleed key players (we are already commited to 20m each window on the unproductive Pepe and the unavailable Saliba)

Freddy has to do his best for now but the gut feeling at the moment is he is in deep waters when only just learning to swim.

Who we can bring in as a temporary (say Benitez) depends on how they see us.

We are not attractive for them and they have bargaining chip since we are somewhat desperate at the moment.

Sanlehi and co. will likely have to take a longer view of things. It will be a tricky rest of the month.

Santori
Santori

Not his fault.

Freddy is trying his best for us but he has yet to accumulate the experience necessary and frankly does not look like he has grasped what needs to be done.

1) Midfield. This should not be confused with our midfielders not doing their job rather they do not seem to know what they are suppose to be doing.

Midfield has been a continued problem for some time.

Unai had issue (partially bc of personnel) with either going for venture and risking leaks or erring on caution and curtailing the attack.

Add to that how to accommodate Ozil whilst having sufficient security in midfield and we have been flirting between a diamond four (too narrow) or 3 but with either two pressed too high or us sitting too deep.

With Freddy, he has tried to resolve Ozil by playing him wide (not his best position)

Then he tried to add press higher up with Guendouzi and Willock (at Norwich) then Willock and Torreira (last game). In both instances, we were better for 15-20 minutes start of each half but we could not remain discipline or sustain tracking back.

Torreira (whom many like to wank to) was too high up from Granit many times last game which ended up in the Swiss (who isn;t the quickest) getting caught isolated with too much space open around him.

Its not rocket science to see our careless forwards (Pepe and Auba primarily) guilty of cheap passes or easy dispossession but then the opponents from their edge of their box suddenly pass through our empty midfield and get straight at our feeble Cbacks in one on ones.

This is something that happened against Norwich with Mustafi struggling but as we saw without Mustafi against BHA, we still struggled.

We have struggled to get to grips with midfield and this is a continued problem. As if we did not have enough issues already with insufficient assets, it was compounded by the wholly fan induce madness on Granit depriving us a useful asset who can switch play quickly for us in the middle further.

There is no perfect solution for us in midfield but what can be done at the moment is to close space, stay tighter and develop a good working relationship with a key set of players instead of experimenting and chopping and changing too much.

We will need to rotate to keep/sustain momentum in engine room but the lead characters should be clear and we should work on them to tighten spaces in between.

My thoughts on midfield is we stay in a 3 more compact with Granit and either of Guendouzi or Torreira (or both closer) If we play Ozil we need one of the mids to stay closer to base next to granit, if we play GUendouzi and Torreira, we can afford to push a little higher with both (within reason). Willock should cycle in as a sub not a starter. Cebellos can also come into contention with Ozil or one of Torreira or Guendouzi as with Ozil, sitting slightly deeper to allow the Spaniard to push up into the box.

Small measures make better improvements. Management of space in between a stable selection in midfield is KEY.

2) Discipline and focus. Again we were good for 15 minutes start of each half but we then disintegrated into open disarray as many players did not do their part. Off ball discipline and work rate simply poor considering the rest of the limited teams around us like Sheffield, Norwich, BHA putting in much more work.

One of the key areas is our flanks. The fullbacks have zero security pushing forward without leaving gaps behind which the Cbacks then have to shunt over to cover leaving the middle exposed.

Our wide players in Auba and Pepe in particular derelict of duty.

Auba we saw could not even bother to track their player open out right who was given free effort to put in a cross late in second half which almost resulted in another goal against us.

I’m not sure Freddy has the stature sufficient to not be everyone’s chum and enforce the discipline necessary to carry this motely crew forward.

3) We are simply not playing as a unit. Linked with midfield, we seem disassociated at times as the game wears on. We started off brightly with plenty of movement from the attacking players offering our backs and midfielders players to aim for. But it soon evaporated as we crept back to our old lazy ways standing in static line waiting for the ball to come to us.

Here again Auba can do better. One instance Bellerin switched gears to get down to the byline, you’d expect a cut back or cross but instead of anticipating and moving toward the ball (ala Giroud without Pace), Auba stayed in the middle of the box and the ball never reached him.

One thing to say we have to put in better crosses but a good attacker needs to anticipate things as well. As much as Auba scores, he can do better.

And that extends to his competition for the ball (long balls particularly) Currently we only have Laca up top able to compete for the ball and hold it (Maybe some effort at least from Martinelli). But Auba is abject. What this means is every time he loses the ball, we are immediately on the back foot having to back track all the way back to defense again (given our porous midfield)

4)How we manage to keep effort as a team through the 90 requires some enforcement.

And this is linked to captaincy. I’m not sure what effect we have at all in giving Auba the captain’s arm band.

As I mentioned before we need to be appointing the captain on function rather than form.

For lack of good choices, I feel Sokratis is probably our more consistent performer at the back and certainly experience enough. We really need someone who can see the play unfold and particularly pull us into shape during defensive phases, make calls to Torreira to remind him not to go too far away from Granit.

Then higher up as vice captain, Laca bc he is to me indispensible at the moment acting as a nodal point for our attacks. Without him, our ball retention up top is to use the proverbial expression… shite and we end up under duress having to scramble to defend.

Until we can fix midfield, it is important for the forwards to be FAR more responsible like Laca on the ball or competing for it.

Leno can also be a third captain given he is going to more than likely be a constant selection.

CONCLUSION:

So over to Freddy. Rather than focus on fancy selection choices, he needs to be looking at nitty gritty work and keep us a tighter unit when playing. We are far too loose and without structure.

Santori
Santori

…good to see a lot of Santori length comments.;)

Iows
Iows

Lady something sold her shares to the yanks and a few years later come out and said she’d made a bad decision & wished she’d sold them to the Russians.

Santori
Santori

The other thing is there will be now plenty of people trying to blame the board.

Frankly they have been culpable of not prosecuting a better summer for Unai.

BUT blame can be attributed to board, manager, players , fans even. Its ot one over arching issue but many that have niggled away at this club.

At present, its hard (indeed a bit shallow) to say the board should have been more prepared before firing Emery.

Of course they would have preferred that Unai could turn things around.

BUT timing is always an issue and they have less control of this.

What is available in market at the moment is precious little.

Managers in seemingly secondary teams in the league (Wolves, Leicester etc) are in better position than us right now without the sort of toxic fan base and with plenty of up side in their respective team (better managed and lesser expectations). why come to us?

Others like Ponch and Allegri (some fans will make up why they may not be suitable for us), well they won’t even care to come. Why risk your reputation in a dangerous salvage job again with a bunch of ingrate fans that could likely turn on you than wait out for top opportunities over next 4 to 6 months with their reputations on a high at the moment?

Too many Arsenal fans live in rarafied air and do not understand reality.

Mark
Mark

There was some great optimism after this Summer’s business when we got the left back we needed to replace Monreal, signed a center back for the future, had Holding and Bellerin coming back from long term injury, broke our transfer record buying Pepe, signed Ceballos on loan, had a number of promising young players promoted (and bought), etc.. However, there now are so many holes in this roster that it is really scary when thinking about how long it will take to get the ship righted. Unfortunately the biggest holes are in some of the most important areas of the team (central defense and midfield) which are absolutely killing us. I think Ljungberg can get our attack somewhat figured out (and it doesn’t involve playing Auba out wide), but don’t know what he can do about central defense and the midfield until we have a couple of transfer windows to get some new players in and ship the dead weight out.

Tony Hall
Tony Hall

I feel really sorry for Fred, talk about being chucked in the deep end and I bet the board put plenty of pressure on him to accept the position. Most managers would struggle to motivate and improve the team at the moment let alone someone who has never managed a 1st team before.

Thesoulofpdavis
Thesoulofpdavis

This is embarrassing. There is something extremely rotten in the squad. No bounce back and no effort from many.

para
para

“If you score the first goal you don’t have to chase the game”
Thats been our downfall leading up to the current state of affairs.
Every time we sat back and defended 1 goal, we ended up giving one away.
You chase the game(sensibly) til you have scored 3 goals or even more.
If you need to sit back, the team is unfit and has no hunger.
It seems the whole game philosophy is wrong since a long time.
One has to control the game by making it difficult for the opposition to play.
It does not matter who they are or how they play.
Make them work real hard to gain anything even if they better you, make them respect you, let them know that next time you will beat them.
This is the type of philosophy that should be cultivated people.

Der Kaiser
Der Kaiser

Controversial but I would go for this swap given age differential, desire of Jovic, fact that he is very well suited for Premiership and eorks his guts out:-

https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/06/arsenal-real-madrid-luka-jovic-swap-pierre-emerick-aubameyang-11339554/

para
para

I think Auba will be sold(to recoup Pepe money)Nketia recalled, dead wood released and the youth becomes the new Arsenal.
This will take a lot of patience from fans though.
I just cant see Arsenal paying millions for a coach when the squad needs replenishing.
At least that is if Arsenal are not ready to step up as they lately promised fans

But if they are serious, then the wait for the top coach and his assistant will be worth it, but where is the money for players going to come from? Are we going to use the youth? Will a top coach want to use youth?
Arggh

I give up, its impossible to imagine what’s going to happen with Arsenal to the end of the season, except that we are falling and falling…. down the table. But are we?
Results are poor but we are still holding on, a win is needed, can we pull off a BIG win? Because they expect us to flop?
That would be so cool.