Elneny ban overturned by the FA

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Mohamed Elneny will be available for Arsenal’s next three games after the FA decided that he should not have been sent off against Southampton.

The Egypt international was given his marching orders in the final moments of the Gunners 3-2 win after making contact with the face of Cedric Soares. It looked harsh at the time, although a replay did confirm the contact.

Arsenal appear to have appealed the decision and won. Something of a surprise all things considered, but good news, especially given we’re pretty short of central midfield options at the moment.

A statement from the FA reads: “Mohamed Elneny will be available for Arsenal’s next three games after an Independent Regulatory Commission accepted that he was wrongly dismissed for violent conduct against Southampton on Sunday, April 8, 2018.”

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Lord Bendnter
Lord Bendnter

Thank you!!!

Runcorn Linnet
Runcorn Linnet

Justice. There were a number of incidents far worse than Elneny on Saturday that went unpunished. The Southampton player who gave Elneny a massive shove was more guilty of violent conduct.

Gooooonnnnnnaaaaaaa
Gooooonnnnnnaaaaaaa

Just imagining Mark Hughes’s face when he finds out about this, he’s probably still fuming about Wilshere deserving to be sent off!

Anonymarse
Anonymarse

Mark Hughes’s face isn’t something I want to imagine

SizC
SizC

But what about his face when Southampton and Stoke get relagated. First manager to have a hand in two clubs getting relagated

Burn Baby Burn
Burn Baby Burn

Completely unexpected. Will you be re-writing today’s blog post?

Punter
Punter

Blogs, imagine everytime you have to rewrite when you get something wrong…haha.

   kaius
   kaius

Blogs wrote that he thought the red was “too harsh” but the Match of the Day 2 programme showed another angle that clearly showed Elneny make contact the face. He wrote “that’s always going be a sending off if the officials spot it, which they did.”

He’s absolutely correct – English referees overreact to hand to face incidents. But as the FA have shown, not every hand to face incident is an automatic red. “Striking or hitting” is violent conduct. Pushing is not.

Maul Person
Maul Person

Well I’ll be…! Good news as I wasn’t expecting them to go against they’re precious referees!

Arse City Blues
Arse City Blues

Their always sticking up for they’re precious referees

Saint Arsenal
Saint Arsenal

I see what you did they’re

Pedant
Pedant

Their they’re, don’t get angry there.

Maul Person
Maul Person

Dare I say “oops”…!

Matt
Matt

If Arsenal do well in Europe it will help the national co-effient.
If you consider that you can kind of see why the FA have been generous for once

Ivan Drago
Ivan Drago

Aren’t the big leagues getting guaranteed European spots from next season, so the coefficients won’t matter?

euchan
euchan

maybe not for next year, but in long run it’s always better to have more coefficient, no?

One of them is lying!
One of them is lying!

Co-efficients r good!

David Hillier's luggage
David Hillier's luggage

A Premier League ban would have had no impact on Elneny’s European availability, and although it is good to keep the association coefficient up, with the rule changes from next season the top four associations will automatically have four teams in the Champions League group stages – England are currently second (way off Spain) and miles ahead of 5th place France.

Our club coefficient is what we really need to maintain by winning in Europe to ensure good seedings. We should be around the top 10 for the start of next season, however we’ve only amassed about the same amount of points so far as we would do for our normal last 16 CL knock outs.

Copelandão
Copelandão

I thought they got rid of seedings in favour of league placement, or is that just for the top pot? Wouldn’t we be top pot regardless if we win the Europa League?

David Hillier's luggage
David Hillier's luggage

League placement is just for the top pot, so CL winners and the domestic champions of the 7 top ranked leagues occupy that. The rest (including Europa winners) are ordered via their club coefficient ranking. If (big if) we win the Europa, we would be in pot 2 alongside the likes of Atletico, Dortmund, Utd, either Porto/Benfica, Napoli and two of Real/Shakhtar/Basel depending on permutations. In addition, if we qualify it pretty much stops Sp*rs from getting into pot 2.

Also, it’s a 5 year cycle, so one bad can make a big dent.

goonerang
goonerang

I don’t know why everyone’s so surprised to be honest. That decision was a howler. The incident deserved a yellow at worst. I would’ve been surprised had Arsenal not appealed it.

Maniac
Maniac

Not surprised about the appeal made by Arsenal but the fact that the FA actually overturned the decision. They almost always stick with the referee’s decision.

A Different George
A Different George

Well, remember the FA overturned the red card to Gabriel and banned Diego Costa instead–though Gabriel still got a one-match ban for his actions after he was shown the card. (So, everyone who criticised Jack for ushering Elneny away should apologize, even if Jack did start the whole thing.) Diego Costa and Mike Dean, the memory makes me shudder.

SantiSandler
SantiSandler

By the rule book it was hardly a howler. Yes, I wouldn’t say it was “violent” but the bottom line is you can’t put your hands on the other guy’s face and that should be a zero tolerance rule. It was a stupid move from Elneny, he put himself where didn’t he belong and left himself completely open to the interpretation of the official.

Redbeard
Redbeard

I thought he was doing the right thing trying to stand over ball avoiding the quick fk. Something we’ve been told we are naive about in the past.

   kaius
   kaius

“You can’t put your hands on the other guy’s face”

Absolute rubbish. Can we please stop parroting commentator-speak. Players pat each other (even opposition players) on the head or the cheek all the time. There’s no blanket ban against “raising your hands”.

Referees have to assess for foul or dangerous intent, and it’s not an automatic red if use of force was negligible. Commentators catch-phrases and the laws of the game are not the same thing!

Louisaag
Louisaag

Well said!

A Different George
A Different George

But whether it was “violent” is in fact the only issue in this case.

Jasmeet
Jasmeet

Thanks Allah

Dobbi
Dobbi

Thank you Spaghetti Monster

Auba ma Ying
Auba ma Ying

Mocking other people’s beliefs… How classy.

Bergkamp 3:16
Bergkamp 3:16

Common sense prevails. Thank Bergkamp!

Gus Caesar
Gus Caesar

I’m very surprised because he pushed the player in the face – i think we’d have been asking for a res card were it the other way around. Just goes to show how odd the FA is, completely unfathomable.

shokim
shokim

Excellent news. Not having Elneny to call on is just unthinkable imo, given our shortage in midfield. FA being lenient on Arsenal? Wonders never cease.

francis
francis

Q

Mr media
Mr media

Aha. He was only guilty of the lesser charge of arseholish behaviour rather than violent. Do we have favourite arseholish behaviour that we recall? Keown’s ‘bumping’ of Nistelroy for example?

rellends
rellends

What a surprise that is.

It'Sanogo-al
It'Sanogo-al

After reviewing the incident replay link, Jermaine Jenas is a smug little twerp

SharpasFc
SharpasFc

Every time Jermaine is forced to talk about Arsenal in a good way, you can literally see him gritting his teeth…it’s hilarious!

Macca
Macca

A truly shocking outbreak of common sense by the FA.

Jordan
Jordan

Bet even the FA surprises themselves sometimes.

Chrispy
Chrispy

Well fuck me. This doesn’t sit well with me at all considering where the FA sit on my ‘love to gate scale’

Michael Bolton Wanderers
Michael Bolton Wanderers

Incredible. Must feel great for elneny

Lance Banner
Lance Banner

What is this witchcraft? Arsenal get 3 penalties in two games and a red card overturned?

GraeB
GraeB

Maybe the comments on here about the anti-Arsenal bias will have to stop for a while. Or is it just that we’re not in the fight for anything this year?

Chidi
Chidi

Well I’ll be a monkey’s uncle ?

BigArse
BigArse

Good. The worst thing he did was be taller than the other bloke.

TeeCee
TeeCee

FA allows Arsenal appeal.
Other news : Pope converts to Buddhism, sun fails to come up.

George
George

I. am. stunned.

Great news, just never expected the FA to do something so … sensible.

Shank

Well Ill be bollixed…………

Hi-brid
Hi-brid

Astonishingly rare application of common sense when FA could so easily have hidden behind the letter of the law.

Cliff Bastin
Cliff Bastin

He is, wait for it, not that kind of player.

A Different George
A Different George

Well, 7amkickoff did, reluctantly, say that about him. First red in his career, averages 0.5 fouls per match.

cricketeer
cricketeer

good. now soton and their players can rot to championship league and forever become mugmasher’s feeder club.

arsepedant
arsepedant

Wow. I think I’ll go buy a lottery ticket now.

Lula
Lula

I am a little surprised by this. But I suppose if you sent everyone off for what Elneny did in that game, it’d have been abandoned. I still think he’s a bit lucky though. I was counting on it at all.

daniel
daniel

Ederson seemed to do exactly the same last night and just get yellow, so it would have been pretty unreasonable if elnenys red stood

A Different George
A Different George

Ederson was a lot closer to violent conduct, though that was a UEFA match, not a Prem officiating team. On the other hand, that referee was more interested in becoming the center of attention than any English referee I’ve ever seen, even Clattenburg (with the single exception of Mike Dean, who should never be included in any comparison because he is so bad in so many ways he throws the scale off). After Salah’s goal, the referee pats the head of a City defender, to console him–I have never seen that before.

Mootilated
Mootilated

Are players allowed to be banned retroactively? For example, shouldn’t Ashley Young be banned for a game or two for his disgusting performance against Man City over the weekend? He deliberately handled the ball inside the box and almost snapped Aguero’s leg.

A Different George
A Different George

If the referee saw the incident in question and chose not to issue a card (or issued a yellow rather than a red), then it cannot be reviewed, at least in England. If it took place out of the referee’s sight then, yes, there can be a retrospective ban; it has happened several times this season.

arsenal74
arsenal74

FA lenience just show how far we are from competing to PL title…would have this overturn been possible during Fergie-Wenger time 2000-2006? not a chance

santori
santori

Some common sense at last.

Ridiculous for Elneny to be punished for a common scuffle between players.

If anything, we are somewhat fortunate Jack did not get penalised but Stephen’s actions warranted a straight red.

Good to have Elneny BC if we say lose Granit to illness, Jack to a niggle, we will be out of sorts in midfield.

Still the issue has ALWAYS been we (Wenger) have not done enough to provide for depth of quality in the engine room and this has more than anything-else cost us over last 3 or 4 seasons without Santi.

Wenger continuously tries to add youth into the mix when frankly this position requires a lot of interpretation which only experience helps.

Other than peripheral use, I would think any young player to be considered into a midfield role should have to prove the real article over less regular encounters first.

BUT even the first choices in this position have flaws. Neither Granit nor Elneny can turn. Jack showed promise with his ability to engage the opponents and push us forward from deep but he has gone flat struggling likely with fitness/injury.

We simply need another player in the mix if we want to be pushing higher.

This also goes for the wide areas.

I don’t think Malcolm is a good solution. He will need time to embed. Rather we should be investing in ready made solution now like Mahrez (or even Thauvin at Marsaille). We are bereft of a player who can engage and go past 2 or 3 players on his own which can drag opponents out of shape like what Alexis did. This has not been replaced.

And even with Mhki wide, we are still too central as we lack pace. Welbeck and Iwobi (or Nelson) can add the pace in wide areas but we have shed so much of this capability of late with Ox, Walcott, Gnabry and Alexis gone. We need a player with the pace but also the craft.

If we don’t add, I can’t see us pushing too much higher from where we are now.

And this is not to even mention our issues defensively.

But a better balanced midfield and a more punishing forward line (yes we can be better than currently) will help the defense.

Until the summer, Elneny’s availability for remaining matches will be critical.

Teryima Adi
Teryima Adi

And for once the FA behaved.