Full transcript: David Ornstein on Arsenal’s summer transfer plans

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David Ornstein was on BBC 5 Live this evening discussing transfers of various top 6 clubs but we don’t care about them, we only care about Arsenal.

It feels like there’s a lot to do this summer, but based on what he said it might be a bit less busy than people think.

Here’s a full and exact transcript of what he had to say:

“I don’t think it will be the most spectacular summer for Arsenal but I do think they have some very important business to be done.

“It all depends on their budget. If they’re playing Europa League football next season it looks like it will be around £40m. If it’s Champions League it would be significantly higher. They also have revenue streams coming on board with the new Adidas kit deal.

“If it’s Europa League you’ve got to remember it’ll be their third year in that competition. They’ve also heavily invested in the last year or so, especuially in the striking department, and they are adamant they will not break Financial Fair Play.

“Despite still waiting to appoint a Technical Director/Sporting Director/Director of Football, they still have identified targets and conversations are underway. They are looking for experience and youth in their recruitment.

“Their priorities are a central defender, Jeremy Wilson of the Telegraph mentioned the Getafe and Togo centre-half, Djené, he’s under contract until 2023 with a reported value of £13.5m.

“The other priority is a box to box midfielder. Previously, in January, they came close to a deal for Christopher Nkunku from PSG – this is course is to replace Aaron Ramsey. Adrian Rabiot is a player they’ve tried to sign in the past, and they have a long-standing interest in him, however he is a complex individual and has had some issues off the pitch.

“As a sort of secondary brief they’d be looking for a wide forward and in January came close to a deal for Ivan Perisic, and had interest in Yannick Carrasco. Possibly a centre-forward with Danny Welbeck leaving, and Eddie Nketiah would go on loan if they did bring a centre-forward in.

“There is interest in bringing in a left back and possibly a right back, but again those are secondary to the centre-half and box to box midfielder.

“Not to forget they’d be looking to integrate young players too. Reiss Nelson coming back from his loan, Emile Smith Rowe, Joe Willock and Bukayo Saka who is said to be the most highly rated prospect – he’s a wide forward, but extremely young.”

So, there you go. Without Champions League football next season we’ll be shopping in the bargain basements, but of course we could raise funds through sales and free up more money by reducing the wage bill by a significant amount.

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ThaatArsenalGuy
ThaatArsenalGuy

Yay KroenkeBall !

Anonymarse
Anonymarse

I don’t get it to be honest. Surely a smart businessman would see that if you invest some more (and do it wisely) you can greatly increase the value of your investment. Liverpool’s owners are not messing about for example.

I have a hard time understanding how doing the opposite – starving the club of funds so it goes downhill – is supposed to be a good idea, but that’s what they’ve been doing basically since they came in.

They literally spent nothing out of their own pocket.

Will
Will

Agreed, but Liverpool also had some pocket money after selling Coutinho for well over 100 million. Selling Alexis/Ozil/Rambo at the right time could have gotten us that kind of money

Anonymarse
Anonymarse

It would also help if we were more clever in how we do things.

It gave me some hope when we employed Sven but then we got rid of him …

kaius
kaius

Why are people so invested in making Sven the victim?

He chose to leave. This idea that we ‘pushed him out’ or ‘got rid of him’ is tabloid rubbish.

Banned from the training ground at Dortmund, rescued by Arsenal, abandoned our project after a year. Bayern and other big clubs passed him over, and if Stuttgart lose their last game next week he’ll be working in the German 2nd division next year.

Should’ve taken Wenger’s example and stuck with us during hard times.

In the name of...
In the name of...

Seven fell short of what Arsenal expected from him, he didn’t develop the network they hoped, that’s why he wasn’t in for the technical director job.

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

Rubbish. Developing network isn’t even the prerequisite for the role as “Technical Director”. It’s also rubbish for the fact it isn’t true, don’t make things up for your own agenda, we’ve got the Daily Mail for that.

IamaGoober

Ultimately @Anonymarse is right..

Until we step away from this ‘self-sustaining model,’ we will be forever treading water. Well saying that would suggest we’re staying in the same place. But the way the other clubs around us are spending. We will most definitely continue to slide down the table. We won’t be winning anything of genuine merit, like a Premier League title for example, bar nothing short of a footballing miracle (of course).

I always remember an interview Gazidis gave shortly after Leicester City won the league. Where he cited Leicester’s achievement, this one extremely fortuitous season which saw them win the Premier League, as this thing that KSE had placed on a pedestal as some sort of burden of proof, that this was now the target operating model for Arsenal FC. Massively ignoring the glaring fact that Leicester have been the only club to accomplish such a feat since Blackburn Rovers win back in 95. But even they were owned by a local entrepreneur, Jack Walker – who spent quite a lot of money for the time, on players and on bringing in Dalglish as the new manager.

Leicester City were also implicated in a financial doping scandal which came to light during their title run in 2016. They were being investigated by the Football League for the 2013-2014 season. Basically their owner set up a fake business, and was pumping loads of his own money into this fake set up, which was subsequently dressed up as commercial revenue when it came back into the club, skewering the books, giving Leicester greater financial muscle in the transfer window to buy better players. Which did then get them promoted to the Premier League the following season.

So firstly; Gazidis saying that about Arsenal Football Club was a fairly mad thing to admit in the public domain. Even more so when you consider that only a few seasons ago, he was boldly talking about how we were now ready to compete in Europe with the likes of Bayern Munich. And secondly — scooting over the hilarity in the disparate in ambition between the two statements just for a second — what we were looking to copy, was not actually what it seemed. We hadn’t fully assessed what actually went on. Leicester’s success was literally founded on them having access to truckloads of cash they shouldn’t have actually had. Had they not have had it, they probably wouldn’t have been promoted into the Premier League in the first place – let alone gone on to win it.

So yeah there you go – there isn’t any way around it. Money and success in football come hand in hand. Good footballers cost money. So you have to buy them if you want to win things. A fairly simple idea really. The evidence is all there; Blackburn, City, Leicester, Chelsea..

And that’s why we won’t achieve anything at Arsenal until we spend money on decent players in the transfer window. We have to break away from this ridiculous business plan of selling our best players to buy new ones. Although hilariously, this time around we have somehow managed to balls that up as well. By losing our best player for free, and a load of other players for free as well. Which had we not have done, their fees would have no doubt hugely boosted our transfer budget for the upcoming summer window. But yeah – lets gloss over that critical error. It’s not as if we are constantly pedalling this agenda about how skint we are.

Dave
Dave

We have actually spent a fair amount of money though. We’ve just spent it badly and not sold well.

It’s understandable now that after spending quite a bit over the last few seasons that we might not have as much to spend as people might hope for this season.

I’m disappointed that there’s no mention of getting rid of some of the deadwood in the squad to free up funds for more purchases, but with Raiola banned we will struggle to move Mkhi and with Ozil adamant he wants to stay and on such high wages I think we are hamstrung there as well. All of the rest who need to go won’t free up anywhere near as much cash as those two, or recoup too much in terms of transfer funds either.

We’re in a bad situation of our own making, and unfortunately at this point we need to rely on developing or discovering talent early on. And if/when they want to leave selling them for massive profits.

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

Self-Sustaining Model seems to have worked well for Spurs and Liverpool, the former have spent significantly less than us in puchases and wages.

Mpls
Mpls

The Selling is the key part. They sell players with high value at key times when they can. Getting 2-3 players out of 1, rather than running down either the value of the players or their contracts to practically no return. We did OK with Ox and one or two others, but there aren’t too many good examples over the last handful of years.

We have sold poorly for some time now. When Alexis was first starting to turn into a PITA we should have flogged him off for his highest value when we had a chance to actually use the money to reinforce proactively instead of reactively. There are several other players that this applies to.

And as we can all see with the distorted numbers, as much of a shitstorm as it would have caused at the time (and it WOULD have) Ozil should have been sold then too.

But, woulda couldas. Here we are. Do it better now, hopefully.

Anonymarse
Anonymarse

it seems we are executing it poorly yes …

To be fair we’ve spent a fair wedge recently and signed some good players. I’m very happy with the strikers.

We have some good young players coming through too, there is hope.

The 70m we spent on Mustafi and Xhaka could better have been spent elsewhere.

40m though. That’s one decent player in the current market. It’s not like this is a new thing either, there was the season we only signed Cech, not to mention all the seasons before where we literally had almost nothing.

Mpls
Mpls

40m, and the way Ornstein says it makes it sound like the Adidas deal, and then player sales could be added to that. So that starts to get us somewhere. Not far, but something.

And if we win this Europa Cup that’s worth a solid player right there from UCL qualification monies.

Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia
Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia

Can Barcelona be foolish enough to give us Coutinho or Dembouze for Ozil + Bellerin ?

Chidi
Chidi

We’d be the foolish one to make such a trade!

Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia
Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia

Not foolish comment, you free 350k with Ozil gone to buy a top top top defender. AMN with a little defensive focus will nail Bellerin to the bench anyways. Finally, these are Barcelona players worth 100k minimo.

Dave
Dave

AMN isn’t a defender and it shows.

Bellerin was having an great season until he was injured. No way he gets ‘nailed to the bench’ by AMN.

Coutinho is overrated. I presume by Dembouze you mean Dembele, who has been mentioned previously but has stated that he wants to stay at Barca. He might be a bit out of our price range, also, and by all accounts hasn’t played too well there either.

Ozil has made it clear that he doesn’t want to leave and no one will want to pay his wages on current form.

Mpls
Mpls

Bellerin? That’s loony talk. Him, Holding, Leno, Torreira, Guendouzi, and our Dynamic Duo Strikers are about the only real totally off-limits first team players I see at the moment.

Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia
Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia

You forgot Bellerin has had two bad seasons before this year.

Mpls
Mpls

So bad that Barca and City were wanting him.

You could individually say two bad seasons for about 98% of the players in the squad for the previous two years. For a young back with zero help on the right hand side for so long he’s done quite a job and his potential is obvious.

Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia
Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia

When did Barcelona or City make an offer for him?

AussieGooner
AussieGooner

What I don’t understand is how this comment gets 95 up votes and yet when I suggested we should sell Lacca if Barcelona make an amazing offer all I got was downvotes.

Which is it? Do we see the need of selling our big players sometimes or not?

Crash Fistfight
Crash Fistfight

Both. Or neither. I dunno really.

Everyone seems to think we can get enough money from the players we don’t like to be able to replace them and reinforce in that position. Not sure how that works.

atom
atom

@Aussie

Here’s the real issue with selling Lacazette. This team really would be sunk if it weren’t for Auba and Lacca pretty much single handily taking over games, particularly in Europe recently. We have creative players- Ozil and Mik however are contributing virtually nothing relative to their reputation/pay packets which has left Auba and Lacca to pretty much create for themselves and score. Whatever Barca gives up for him we aren’t going to be able to replace him especially as they are highly unlikely to give us stupid money given Greizman is available.

btw
btw

Presumably, if we sold Laca, we would use the funds to invest in a team that is less dependent on Laca.

I really don’t know the best course of action, but if Barca unsettle him with a 100M plus offer…. that could go a long way to rebuilding the squad

Dave
Dave

Barca are going to buy Greizmann for 100m+. I highly doubt they will also be in for Laca.

atom
atom

I really like laca but no one is paying 2x what we paid for him 2 years ago. So even if you sell him for 70m we prob have to pay 40m for a good striking prospect (Pepe type) and 30m on one other player. If we were able to replicate his production and guaranteed to hit on both transfers then yes you always sell your top players. But transfers don’t always work out so just as easily we could end up with 2 players who don’t come close to offsetting his production.

Mpls
Mpls

I suspect Laca was a backup / bargaining chip for the Greizmann bid. Playmaking forwards with the ability to dig in in deeper areas.

Leno me, I’ll be your friend
Leno me, I’ll be your friend

Pay no attention to thumbs, half the time people just downvote you for disagreeing with them in the past and they’re holding a childish grudge, often there are people who spam up thumbs on their own comments by logging on to the net via a different source/additonal accounts (I assume that has happened a lot on this particular thread), and if you’re flush enough you can even employ Russiabots to follow your online footprint (ever wonder why comments on Ozil have loads of thumbs up but very few using words to defend, well that Fortnite obsessed chap is mod con tech savvy!) and bump up your comments.

However, in your case you said you were okay with losing our Player of the Season, and to some of us who have seen so many important stars leave over the years is stomach churning at best, whereas the comment you highlight is simply mentioning that they’re impressed with the strategy/ability to bounce back. It’s perspective, we all like the idea, but to have someone mention a particular name we’re all fond of to be said cannon fodder is a bit too blunt and brings back bad memories. Plus, there’s no guarantee we’d reinvest the moolah as well as our opposition.
Hope this helps 😊👍

Neil
Neil

These contract issues were/are a collective fuck-up by the club. I don’t yet have faith that these mistakes will be avoided in the future.

Man Manny
Man Manny

Our season was defined by fine margins. I strongly believe if we dodn’t have 3 season ending injuries to key players…and at the cruelest of times to boot, we’d have been firmly in 3rd place with games to spare.
Our target next season is top 4 if we are realistic in our expectations; we don’t have to break the bank to achieve that.
One CB, adequate replacement for Ramsey, one wide player and a decent player willing to be 3rd choice striker while Nketiah goes out on loan should do.
Holding and Bellerin will make significantly stronger; Nelson and EMS also.
The good is that by my assessment, MU is in a worse shape and will need more than a season to be significantly better. The rebuild job there is massive.
Chelsea has a transfer ban hanging on their neck; Hazard is going; no significant improvement there.
Sp*rs won’t splash much because of the stadium.
I believe we’ll be stronger next year; in two more windows (see Klopp), Emery will have transformed the team completely.

Mpls
Mpls

Difference with Chelsea is they have like a bazillion fairly talented players out on loan right now. But I agree with your assessment.

Tottenham lose Pochettino and they’ll likely return whence they came.

Der Kaiser
Der Kaiser

All he is to do is look at his NFL team for a model. He finally invested some big money in players and they made it to the super bowl

Mpls
Mpls

Except the NFL is an entirely different financial system. Salary caps that actually work in limiting teams.

So the player fees and wages, even though they sound large, don’t inflate as ridiculously and in a fashion that is unfairly scaled to the point where only the top 6-8 clubs in the world can afford the top players. Any team in any season has an actual shot at a very top player or two, unless they are one of the few teams that just constantly poor, or just outright cheap. And those teams get top draft picks to work with. Teams that were shit 2-3 seasons ago are suddenly competing at the top of their divisions, and it goes ’round and ’round.

Here, it’s raw money. And we’re already -absurdly- near our FFP limits. It’s a bit of a silly system. If you’re a richer club, the system lets you spend more, you win more, you make more money, you get to spend more. It’s got nothing to do with fostering league competitiveness, just club solvency (which is a good thing too).

Admittedly, Arsenal being one of the biggest clubs and one of the biggest followings, we selfishly don’t want that model to change too much. But if we want to stay up there we’ve got to spend/ trade enough to keep up.

djourou's nutmeg
djourou's nutmeg

a couple of years ago we would criticize clubs that are sustained with external funds, clubs with asian owners that came out of nowhere spending millions. but now we are asking for the same.

what the heck man? the executives we’ve had have always said this is a self-sustaining project, that we try to spend only what we earn, and i think that’s something to be really proud of. even if you don’t like it, that’s arsenal. that’s who we’ve always been. if you’re asking for something different then do you really like arsenal or just support it because of tradition or because henry played here?

most likely thing is that kroenke tried to invest and the board refused before, now that he’s the legit owner he’s supposed to just take a shit upon all the club’s values because of his personal interest? isn’t that what he’s supposedly being criticized for?

i’m completely alright with us spending as much as we can earn, and would only accept kroenke’s money as an investment. if it was some kind of psg’s owner who just pays millions of pounds because he wants to play football manager, i would probably feel disappointed. i bet a lot of you would like that, don’t you? plastic material my friends

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

I was supporting you right until you claimed Kroenke wanted to invest but the board wouldn’t let him.
Even before the 100% acquisition, he WAS the majority shareholder and had pretty much board control.

Leno me, I’ll be your friend
Leno me, I’ll be your friend

@djourou
I too was always proud of our business model, most of us were, but times have drastically changed, unfortunately. Do you want to be be outspent by the likes of Everton, Wolves and Watford? They’re already nipping at our heels in the league.
I have a friend that lives an almost equal distance from the Etihad as I do the Emirates, he’s a City fan, we both travel to watch roughly the same amount of games each season, except when I’ve watched Europa he’s had CL games, for the past three seasons I’ve literally spent 3-4times the amount he has, but he’s watched his team win the league twice and host some of Europe’s top clubs, I’ve had to grit my teeth almost every time our team-sheet is put up.

If we still had UK-based owners (or at least people with true AFC affiliations) who were following the club’s traditions and maintaining a self-sustaining model, then again, that would be understandable/favourable. But we’ve been bought out by a money-hungry megalomaniac, and I for one am disgusted at the prospect of him milking the club’s finances. If someone such as Stan Kroenke (who doesn’t even have a personal interest in football… sorry, ‘soccer’ eurgh) wants to have the honour of ownership, he can put his money where his moustache is and genuinely help us in our current time of need, otherwise we’re lining the pockets of someone who can only damage our club. He’s literally taken the club away from the fans, just check the shares…

Sure, some fans just want money spent regardless, but in terms of your audience today, most on this site have supported the club wholeheartedly for a number of years, and merely want the board and owners to back the ambition of us, the life-loyal fans, certainly not ‘plastic’, who simply want the club to be successful. If you were making comments on AFTV then fair enough, but in regards to the Gooners that roam these comments I think you owe the majority an apology.

djourou's nutmeg
djourou's nutmeg

hey leno, i think we’ve got one of the biggest incomes in actual football in terms of matchday revenue and sponsor deals, so i’m pretty sure we would be able to outspend everton and wolves without external input, yes.

i don’t like kroenke, yet i don’t know if he’s a money-hungry malomaniac or not, since he’s barely done or said anything since his arrival. i don’t think he deserves all the mocking for being american, it’s not his fault.

he’s not responsible for the team’s performance. we’ve spent quite a lot for a few seasons now and we are still to see the rewards. but we keep thinking buying players is the key for everything, and that it’s the owner’s fault.

and i’m alright if some people want other business model for the club, but lately 90% of comments (and posts from this site) have been about insulting kroenke or mustafi and jokes about ozil, which leads me to think people believe those are our real problems, which kind of worries me…

(and the plastic part was about fans who just care about buying players and don’t give a fuck about what arsenal actually means)

Leno me, I’ll be your friend
Leno me, I’ll be your friend

@djourou
True, but we also have a huge outlay in infrastructure and wages that leaves our profit after breaking even much closer to mid-table teams than we’d like, plus the Watfords, Evertons and Wolves have owners willing to make investments, whereas ours are looking to skim money off the top (already proven and publicly known). To outspend the teams below us it is genuinely going to mean Kroenke investment or a number of player sales. Admittedly it isn’t about spending a lot, it’s more about spending wisely, but with no noteworthy name currently in charge of transfers, a lot of positions to fill and a small budget it’s inevitable we’ll be bargain bin shopping, and sadly I think we need to prepare for a few risky signings that may or may not work out.
Sorry to disagree but Stan really is a money-hungry megalomaniac, he’s amassed a clutch of popular sporting franchises and done little, perhaps nothing in some cases, to turn them into successful teams. His recent semi-success in the NFL is merely a blip in his overwhelmingly underwhelming sports endeavours. We were warned about his unambitious ways before his arrival, and it must be said it really does ring true. And check out some of his personal spending, ie he recently (ish) bought a huge amount of land that had been earmarked as ground that would survive the adverse effects of sea levels rising from global warming (to monopolise housing post catastrophe), despite being publicly anti-climate change. He’s been involved in a few shady things we know about, but I can’t imagine what we don’t know.
Nobody is mocking him for specifically being American, I’d say xenophobia is largely frowned on here, but yes, many are frustrated by his lack of interest in football and preference towards American sports. For instance, Liverpool have American owners, but ones who are genuinely ambitious and hold the clubs values respectfully. Foreign ownership isn’t always a bad thing, but when someone comes in and has “barely done or said anything since his arrival” which was several years ago, it’s hard to build a wave of enthusiasm behind such a person. It’s not like we haven’t given him time. The truth is, the way it looks is that we certainly appear worse off having him than where the club was before his take-over, ask the ex-shareholders.
In regards to a one-off match, no he isn’t responsible for team performance, but over a number of seasons he most certainly is. It’s his job to employ the right people, to employ the right players and coaches, and had he found a respectable balance we’d have had a far better past few years.
People have been complaining about Mustafi, Ozil and Kroenke recently but 90% is a needless over-exaggeration. It’s just what’s topical at the moment, Ozil’s contract is causing a lot of issues and his performances aren’t doing anywhere near enough to justify it, Mustafi whilst by no means a terrible footballer is often a liabilty that can cost us games more than anyone else, and Kroenke is at the helm of a ship that isn’t sailing smoothly, nor has done for a while. People have had just as big disagreements regarding Emery and his tactics, AMN best position, Xhaka overall impact, the idea of Wenger coming in as Director of Football, it’s possibly just that you’ve noticed posts about Ozil, Mustafi and Kroenke more than others because you have a larger interest in those topics that others…? Not saying that is the case, but just that maybe it’s not as specific as you may have assumed?
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Gus Caesar
Gus Caesar

I’m not sure what you’ve based your assumption that Kroenke wanted to invest on. He’s never invested a penny in anything at the club other than shares and there is no evidence of him being stopped. And nobody would or could stop him now if that’s what he wanted to do.

Leno me, I’ll be your friend
Leno me, I’ll be your friend

Can’t wait for my comment to pass moderation so I can join the conversation tomorrow… yay 🥳

Leno me, I’ll be your friend
Leno me, I’ll be your friend

Ooo, just 6 hours! haha

Michael Bolton Wanderers
Michael Bolton Wanderers

Dude, he’s actually taken money out from the club. He’s poison

iGooner
iGooner

He’s using the Walmart model whereby he cuts cost to maximize profit. It has always been his modus operandi.

Pooner
Pooner

I suspect he thinks that with PL TV money and the right commercial deals, Arsenal will earn money regardless of how well we do on the pitch. I remember reading how he and other American businessmen see football as significantly commercially underdeveloped so he must believe the club will appreciate in value over the long run with no investment needed.

What did he say a few years ago? “If you wanted to win things you’d never get involved.”

In terms of genuine competitiveness, we’re fucked as long as he is owner. We moved stadium to fulfil a vision of competing with the top clubs in Europe but are now merely a long-term investment for an absentee owner.

Ozenal
Ozenal

Exactly, a stronger squad creates better performances and better value.

EZD
EZD

Over the last 5 years we’ve had the 3rd highest net spend in the Premier League, behind the Manchester clubs.

Since the Ozil era, there’s been no problem with levels of investment. It’s how we’ve invested, and in particular sold, that’s been the problem.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjtmpvWoZ7iAhWzAmMBHTTvDMwQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.givemesport.com%2F1453518-the-premier-league-table-based-on-net-spend-over-the-past-five-seasons&psig=AOvVaw2kfPtBRmXORqniLLW2ZGMG&ust=1558034696265451

Rectum Spectrum
Rectum Spectrum

clubs relegated from the prem get more than the winners of the other top leagues. arsenal have too much money to be relegated, so mid table earnings, but top 6 sponsorship deals, keeps a nice bit of cash flowing I to the club to pay KSG a nice annual dividend.

this is a healthy dividend investment for KSG with a beautiful piece of real estate thrown in. stop thinking of it as a sports team that needs to win things.

Az Ahmed
Az Ahmed

I call bullshit

SG_Gooner
SG_Gooner

You meant balls to kroneke

ThaatArsenalGuy
ThaatArsenalGuy

Excellent work

Gana
Gana

Read this on Twitter, and can’t get it out of my head.

“Everybody was Nkunku fighting”……….

yen
yen

Now I want him just because of the chant potential

midgunner
midgunner

Does anyone know much about this guy?

I thought he was just a kid. They’re not seriously considering him as a replacement for Ramsey?

Yagaru
Yagaru

They call him the French Mossi

Uba
Uba

Kroenke is using the Financial Fair Play rules as an excuse for his lack of investment in the club.
I don’t us going anywhere with that leech in charge.
Sad.

Laca-Sead
Laca-Sead

It is a clever way to do business and to stay alive though. More people should try and live within their mean. I blame the Tories

Anonymarse
Anonymarse

The trick is to take all the money off the people who don’t vote for you

Rimuru
Rimuru

There’s a difference between living within ones means and making profits every season. At Arsenal we make profits and put it in the cash reserves that keeps on increasing each year and will not try to use any of last season’s profit for the next. This way, the club’s net worth is increased and so is Kroenke’s assets.

Group Captain Mandrake
Group Captain Mandrake

But at the same time, what’s the point of that method? He owns enough teams that he is not just trying to stay alive, and he is worth quite a bit through all of his real estate. And if he is just using the club as an investment to make money, making your club less valuable by miring it in mediocrity is a very wrong headed way to go about it.

Caligunner
Caligunner

I hate the fact that he’s hasn’t invested into the club but until the club loses value why would he change course? The club has more than doubled in value since he’s bought the club I believe.

Gus Caesar
Gus Caesar

Quite. I think there’s a pretty decent argument that a bit of investment now could give the club a nudge towards greater self-sustenance. But it’s a very risky investment for any businessman. Which of us would genuinely put £100m of our own money into player purchases knowing that it comes with no guarantees of increasing the club’s value?

I think the problem we have as fans is that we’re jealous of the minority of other owners who are pumping money into their clubs and we see it as the quickest way to success. But the vast majority of owners aren’t doing that. In the long-term you just become vulnerable to a sugar-daddy owner giving up the ghost and leaving the club unable to sustain itself naturally. We should take solace in the fact that Liverpool and Sp*rs are achieving through very little investment from their (very rich) owners. It can be done, we just need to stop being run so badly – that is the real problem here.

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Aaasssjjjjjj

Do you know how Kroenke made his money? He married the Walmart heiress and then his development and construction companies started building shopping malls across the western US where Walmart was the anchor tenant. This doesn’t suggest he’s a great business man, he’s a lucky businessman. He got lucky marrying a billionairess. He hasn’t shown any acumen running any of his other teams, but sports franchises are a good investment buy because regardless of how bad they are doing they still gain in value, sports being the only thing keeping people subscribed to networks and hence the tv rights keep getting higher and higher. We’re doomed to mediocrity with Stan in charge. We just have to accept it.

Caligunner
Caligunner

Not defending kroenke but was already a billionaire before marrying into the Walmart family

That RC Fella
That RC Fella

Sorry, but I think Kronke is only in us for the Real Estate value of the Emirates (Prime London location). Nothing else. Investing his own money goes against this principle. Sit tight for the “Long Night at Arsenal” fellow Gooners….

Gunnermite
Gunnermite

There’s also the possibility that Kroenke is a fun of the spuds and is sick of hearing his beloved club being called shit as well as witnessing the Saint toterinham day, and probably wants to change the status quo, which I think he is doing a good job in that regard. Who knows?

Putney Swope
Putney Swope

Hopefully we can sell some dead weight and make up the numbers.

scythavatar
scythavatar

We don’t have that much sellable deadweight in the club……….. if we want to sign a 70-100 million player we will need to sell non deadweights. One player I am looking at is Xhaka, we can probably trick some dumb club into paying 50 million for him.

Cyprus The Immortal Gooner
Cyprus The Immortal Gooner

Not even dumb clubs will spend 50m on Xhaka. We paid 35m and I can’t say he has increased his value during his stay at Arsenal…

AussieGooner
AussieGooner

We have nobody, I mean nobody, other than our front two strikers who any club in the world would pay more than $25m for.

We really have to stop kidding ourselves that we can sell ourselves out of this mess.

Does anyone really believe we have that kind of quality in our squad?

Our midfield is more likely to play for Aston Villa next season than any Champions League side.

Drogheda Gunner
Drogheda Gunner

Bellerin and gendousi other than them I get your point.

Limey
Limey

Erm,invested heavily in strikers.
We’ve also sold lots of players, Walcott, Gabriel,Coquelin,Gibbs,Perez and others I can’t remember, offsetting the Strikers.
Sounds like a load of old pony.

bob
bob

Problem is we sold them for peanuts but spent North of 100m on auba and laca. At least they are worth the value though!

We are actually quite close to the FFP limits but only because our outgoing business has been criminal. We have terribly managed our value and assets, and it’s biting us on the arse.

FFP is donkey balls because it does nothing to stop financial doping, it only penalises financial stupidity. Another great example of hasty and lazy legislation that actually makes problems worse.

Rob67
Rob67

“Problem is we sold them for peanuts but spent North of 100m on auba and laca. At least they are worth the value though!”

Not by my calculation. £35 million on OC ; £20 million on Walcott ; £12 million on Giroud. Walcott was one of the bigger earners.

What would really help is shifting either Miktaryan or Ozil. And frankly I’d ditch them both. We’d get more commitment from the likes of Bylik and Smith Rowe at a fraction of the cost and free up money for the necessary defensive signings.

Both Burnley centre backs and both Brighton centre backs would offer us more than what we currently have. People might not like to think that – but it’s true.

Nosferatu
Nosferatu

Also add Coquelin at £12.6 million to the tally. I guess, as you say, the issue is especially in the very large salaries, but even with Ozil and Mkhitaryan still on the books, how could that still be such an issue with both Ramsey and Cech departing? Seems like some funny math here by KSE–which is not at all surprising.

On the topic of Ozil and Mkhi, as much as it might benefit the books to remove both salaries, I’d be reluctant to sell both simply because, for all the flaws of each, you’d be removing two creative players from a squad that already feels lacking in that area, and with the other business already being prioritized (not to mention the question of funds depending on the Europa League final), I’d be really concerned about that area of the squad next year. This team already finds it hard enough to break down any opponent that just sits deep and watches us doink the ball around aimlessly across the center of the pitch waiting for some divine inspiration to magically strike.

goonero
goonero

I’m not sure we even recouped up to 50 million of all of those players…checking transfermarkt puts it just under 50 mill british, which is only about 45% of what we’d have spent on Auba and Laca (about 110 mill british)

The other big one for us was the Ox we got 35 mill from so I dare say in all of our outgoing business we have made a pretty significant nett loss it’s not like Auba and Laca are the only players we’ve brought in.

To be frank, I don’t even think the Aubameyang deal would have been sanctioned if there was a genuine worry we’d not be back in the CL within a full season from the signing.

Crash Fistfight
Crash Fistfight

You looked at transfermarkt and didn’t see that our outgoings for 2017/18 were £137.57m and our incomings were £140.58m? I make that a profit, but maybe I’m mad.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-arsenal/alletransfers/verein/11

Make Arsenal Great Again
Make Arsenal Great Again

“You looked at transfermarkt and didn’t see that our outgoings for 2017/18 were £137.57m and our incomings were £140.58m?“

That doesn’t fit his agenda. He will like to have you believe the old management gave players away for free

goonero
goonero

Haha my agenda? What kind of paranoid garbage is that? I was just recalling what I can remember.

btw
btw

True, but 16/17 the transfer balance was -90M and 18/19 was about -65M, that’s a net spend of over 150M in the last three seasons

Dave
Dave

Crash Fistfight that’s awful cherry picking there, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Crash Fistfight
Crash Fistfight

But the thread was talking about the players that were sold to buy the two strikers. I don’t dispute your statement, but that is a different conversation. If you want to look at 2 other seasons, why not look at 5, or 10, or…?

Ozymandias
Ozymandias

Giroud…

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

Lol at Perez.
You mean the £14M loss Perez?

Twatsloch
Twatsloch

Which is insane considering we sold Giroud for less.

Tas_Gunner
Tas_Gunner

Mortgage the club and pay Griezmann’s release clause! 😂😂😂 We might be bankrupt by the end of next decade but things will be fun!

Ryan Cummins
Ryan Cummins

Griezman??
Arsenal need to get a top quality defender and an attacking wide player.

Dave
Dave

40m £ … this is unbelievable. We need to invest 200m £ at least. Hope we shift dead wood away and the new deal with Adidas will bring us a lot of money. It’s absolutely crucial to win Europa League now.

Make Arsenal Great Again
Make Arsenal Great Again

Completely agree. There will be a lot of top players available in transfer market this summer. Take Barcelona for example, they will definitely try to sign Griezmann and De Ligt. They are cash strapped and are paying to manage their wages bill. Why not take Umtiti and Coutinho off their hands for a combined 125M? This thing is not rocket science if you have the funds to spend.

Gus Caesar
Gus Caesar

Golden rule number 1 when it comes to understanding quoted ‘transfer pots’: the stated value isn’t all that the club can spend, it’s all that the club has to spend in total in that particular period. So we could sign 4 Lionel Messis if the selling clubs agreed that we only had to pay £10m for the first year. £40m doesn’t mean that we can only buy one player worth £40m.

Golden rule number 2: Clubs usually have an agenda for putting a particular figure out into the media.

Andy Mack
Andy Mack

It’s the age old issue that you don’t walk into a car showroom telling the salesman you have £30k to spend. You tell him you’ve 20-25k and hopefully end up with a deal on a 35k car for 28-30k and both parties feeling they got a result.

Kev Free
Kev Free

If they can nail the all action mid and youngish ready to start now central defender, i think could make a world of difference.

Dave Cee
Dave Cee

We need 2 CBs..Kos and Monreal are on last legs and Mustafi should be toast, plus who knows when/ how well Rob Holding will recover.
Also totally need at least 1 top quality wide man/winger, and probably a back up striker and a LB.
Fuck ton of work to be done on this squad

Scott P
Scott P

With Holding and Chambers back in contention, I doubt 2 CB’s will happen. We can have a first-choice pair of the new signing + Holding/Sokratis, with Kos and Chambers as backups. Kos only a backup because of fitness, not quality. If we don’t think Chambers is of the needed quality, then we would definitely be short though.

loose_cannon
loose_cannon

I think as far as CBs are concerned, it’s going to be one in, one out. With Chambers coming back we’re actually strong there in terms of numbers, it’s quality that we’re lacking. But yeah, alongside that a winger and a CM are priority. I could live with Nketiah as third choice striker, give him at least another half a season to see if he can handle himself at this level. Another LB makes a lot of sense as well.

Kev Free
Kev Free

Nketiah needs to play every week to develop properly. Doing a long term disservice to him and the club to have him sitting on the bench 75% of the available season minutes.

Kev Free
Kev Free

We’re talking 1 window tho. With chambers and holding coming back, plus mavro and papa we shoukdnt do more than 1 cb. Mustafi has to go. If Kolasinac cant realiably supplant Monreal on the left, sell and replace him. Same in the midfield, need ramsey replacement and competition. A lot of work to do but with limited budget and time cant all be done in one window.

loose_cannon
loose_cannon

A creative box-to-box and a class winger are probably our minimum requirements to get back into the top 4, and a competent CB would help as well of course! But to catch the top 2, to win the damn thing, you do wonder how much we’d need in order to bridge that gap.

rnab88
rnab88

There ain’t a chance in hell we’re getting anywhere close to the title for the foreseeable future.

Rob67
Rob67

We will be lucky to come within 15 points next season and that assumes the recruitment is all that we hope. If not we will still be 25 points or more away.

Dale Adams
Dale Adams

As long as Stan’s in charge we’ll only watch the real winners, for ever

Ausdrexler
Ausdrexler

We well off City. Forget the title, clubs aim is 4th. Spuds, us, manu and Chelsea will fight for 3rd to 6th for the next 5 or so seasons. ManC will win the enxt 5 straight imho.

TeeCee
TeeCee

Yeah, well. Citeh are now staring at a Champions League ban as a result of their sugar daddy’s financial largesse.

Crash Fistfight
Crash Fistfight

I’m gonna hazard a guess and say they get off with a nice big fine to line all the pockets of the fine fellas at UEFA.

loose_cannon
loose_cannon

The way things are going it seems very unlikely doesn’t it. But it’s not just us that might struggle; Chelsea have a transfer ban and Hazard and Sarri’s future is far from certain, Sp*rs have a new stadium to deal with and potentially limited ambition, and United are just a total mess. We might even end up with a top 2 and an also-ran 7, with Wolves, Everton and Leicester contesting the CL places.

Bugger off Stan
Bugger off Stan

It is completely unbelievable that our hierarchy views RB and LB as secondary priority. Not only are we ridiculously weak in that area, Emery’s teams have had heavy impetus on the fullbacks. Not to mention Liverpool and Manchester City have used their fullbacks to devastating effects. I see the value for a wide forward, but surely it makes sense to get good fullbacks first? Also 40M budget? Why even bother at that point? Just play academy graduates and use that money to feed Stan’s pockets.

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

I agree in regards to the use of fullback but I think the issue is we don’t actually have ANY real wide options (I’m not convinced Iwobi is even a winger, and neither is Mkhi).

At least we have fullbacks, injured (Bellerin) or flawed (Kola) they may be.

OGD
OGD

Agreed.All a waste of time without investment.How will buying all these 10-15m bottom feeders help us long term? when we’ve put the money together 4 40-60m players what do we get for them? 5m? coupled with the fact that auba n laca will be thinking retirement by then, it will be striker time again.vicious cycle, only mickey mouse arsenal.Lets concentrate on what can actually work: #STANOUT

loose_cannon
loose_cannon

Agree Liverpool have epitomised the importance of fullbacks this season, Robertson and TAA have been phenomenal. But I’d argue we’re much weaker on the wing (Iwobi and Mkhi) than we are at fullback (Kolasinic and Bellerin), and that’s where we need to prioritise. We need more strength in depth in both positions tbf.

Nosferatu
Nosferatu

My only argument here would be that I think left back should be elevated in priority because I’d prefer to see four at the back more often next season, and I think Kolasinac basically prevents us from running that system with any confidence, and Nacho sadly isn’t getting any younger.

loose_cannon
loose_cannon

That’s a good point, if it came down to it I’d definitely bring in a left back over a right back (though ideally they could play both positions).

Anonymarse
Anonymarse

It seems the longer we are out of the Champions League the harder it will be to get back into it

Charles Charlie Charles
Charles Charlie Charles

It will be with an owner who has no plan and no actual interest in football. I fear the Aston Villa death spiral.

Mpls
Mpls

That was always going to be the case. Especially for a club with our fiscal policies.

That said, we finished 1 point away from getting back in, with a first year manager.

And if we show up in a couple weeks, we still may.

GraeB
GraeB

1 goal from third place!

CoNr
CoNr

Whats happening with Chambers?? I heard he was doing really well on loan although was playing a more DM role… Would he be someone we would use in central defense, or maybe keep him in DM and push Xhaka further forward??

Or is he one that we will look to move on even though he only recently signed an extension??

Leemillion
Leemillion

We could push Xhaka out of the team!

Mpls
Mpls

Chambers is NOT an improvement on Xhaka. Not yet, anyway.

Rich
Rich

Chambers is soooo slow over the first few metres…..

Hopefully we can get close to the £30 million in for him? And put it towards getting in a better player at centre half.

I don’t see many sellable assets within our squad apart from our strikers, and I’m not sure I’d consider that unless we received offers in the region of £100million

Nosferatu
Nosferatu

Considering the lack of depth we saw in the squad this year as they were stretched thin over the last month or two with such a hectic schedule, I would argue to keep Chambers in the fold especially for his versatility. Not sure he’d be an ideal DM for a club like Arsenal and the way we should be playing, but just having him as an option there and in defense (compared to Mavropanos, let alone Mustafi) would be reassuring. (And would he be any worse than Mustafi or even Lichsteiner or Jenkinson as an emergency right back? Maybe…but maybe not.)

I guess Bielik could be comparable, but the jump might be too big for him next season to be as reliable as I’d expect from Chambers.

Dave
Dave

Amazes me that people still discuss Bielik. If he was good enough we would’ve seen more of him already. He’ll never make it with us. Not good enough.

Cultured determination
Cultured determination

I’d keep him and push xhaka and mustafi out, and ozil and micky out, and get a solid CM

James
James

Chambers has been at Middlesbrough- Relegated
Now Fulham – Relegated
I don’t think he is the answer, he’s very slow even for a cb

OGD
OGD

We all know very well what chambers is capable of: Nothing, leave him be please

Scott P
Scott P

By all accounts, the defense was not the problem at Middlesbrogh – they simply could not score goals.

Admittedly, the same isn’t true at Fulham, but he’s been playing DM there, not CB.

scythavatar
scythavatar

Chambers is nothing special……. he is playing at his level in Fulham. Being an Djourou/Upson tier player is his ceiling. He would be a decent player to have on our bench, but being 4th/5th choice is the best he can hope for. Would he want to ride our bench?

GraeB
GraeB

He was at Fulham, so he should look good but they got relegated.

Forest gooner
Forest gooner

Always a better option than elneny

Danger Mouse
Danger Mouse

It’s hard to put into words how much I detest Kroenke and everything he stands for. At least John Henry at Liverpool seems to actually want to make Liverpool successful. Even the Glaziers at United invest massively in the team. This Kroenke f**ker though, he is the kind of heartless ghoul who will destroy this club if we’re not careful.

Lordgunner
Lordgunner

The glazier have invested!!! They have loaded mu with massive debt.they lucky mu is a money printing machine even before they came
And at pool they are using the”money ball”system.buy relative cheap talented young player sale high price to fund the next few purchase.they arent using the owner money

Danger Mouse
Danger Mouse

t’s hard to put into words how much I detest Kroenke and everything he stands for. At least John Henry at Liverpool seems to actually want to make Liverpool successful. Even the Glaziers at United invest massively in the team. This Kroenke f**ker though, he is the kind of heartless ghoul who will destroy this club if we’re not careful

OGD
OGD

What I dont understand is how arsenal fans arent putting all their energies into getting him out first.Everything will be pointless until then. Assuming the fans want more than the europa semi or final every couple years

Hamburg Gooner
Hamburg Gooner

The Glazers? Invest? Massively?
All of ManU´s debt is down to them as they paid the money for the club with … the money of the club and since then are taking massive chunks of money out of the club for themselves. All this ´investment´ is down to bringing out new shares every now and then, from which they profit as well. There is no own money of them in there.
That club still lives off this tag as ´biggest club in the world´ and is still able to command big money for kit deals and the like. They live off their name ..

And all this mess (for them) was down to an argument over a horse …

Anyway, the Glazers are very far away from being a shining light among the owners. Not that Kroenke is, but at least he´s not ruining the club (yet?). What´s he going to do in the summer?

The club/board didn´t back Wenger in the market, who obviously was their absolute darling (remember: we were always ´just´ one or two players away from possible greatness and Wenger for example even had to buy Mustafi instead of Manolas because he was cheaper). So if even he didn´t get the money, why would the new guys be allowed to spend big? it is very much needed, but will it happen?

Amy Lawrence was reporting last year about a group of London-based businessman who wanted to buy out Kroenke, even for a price of up to 2 billion, which would make for a heavy profit for SK – wonder what happened to that?

Cygans Parting
Cygans Parting

I see Mr. Ornsteins degree in stating the bleeding obvious is coming in handy on our clubs behalf once again.
I mean everything in the transcript is something anyone could have come up with having read a few papers or gone on a couple of websites during the last transfer window in January.
Plus he’s casting his (expert) net pretty wide when the only position he hasn’t mentioned that we’re in need of cover is in goal!
The Arsenal transfer Nostradamus

Stephen
Stephen

I don’t doubt that he seems to be an honest man. An oasis of truth in a sea of BS that is transfer news. But lines like “They are looking for experience and youth in their recruitment.” make me roll my eyes.

Crash Fistfight
Crash Fistfight

My crystal ball tells me Arsenal may or may not buy the players they need this transfer window…

Scwibble
Scwibble

I don’t believe in this reported £40 million, we’ll just wait and see.

lettra
lettra

Yeah they probably rounded it up…

Anonymarse
Anonymarse

£40,000,001?

Ausdrexler
Ausdrexler

Never gets old 🙂

Mpls
Mpls

Well if it’s 40 million out of club coffers on top of what we get from sales, plus the new Adidas deal, then that starts to add up to something and sounds about like a realistic assessment.

Is it enough to keep pace with our rival clubs? That’s the question.

Crash Fistfight
Crash Fistfight

Seems like the £40m is largely based on the Adidas deal, being that it’s about £35m more per season than the Puma one.

ChicagoArsenalFan
ChicagoArsenalFan

My opinion….Bring in the “priority” talent….box-to-box MF; and CB. Get rid of Ozil (if you can). I also think they need to recall Bielik – he’s turned into a beast, plus he’s got some leadership moxie. Calum-Chambers, I’m not so sure about – nice kid, but he’s kind of underwhelming, if you ask me. Then, bring in the Arsenal youth and let them blend in. Willock, Nkteiah, Smith-Rowe, esp Nelson. (Sako still year or so away physically I think?) Let ’em catch their “fit” into the mix (just like Maintland-Niles did), this way you don’t have to overspend, and I suspect one or more of these young guys would surprise.

TCGNR
TCGNR

pretty demoralizing, especially when you consider the staggering amounts scousers/spuds will be given after the UCL final.

how much could we raise moving on Elneny, Mhiki, Jenks, Ospina, Chambers, Xhaka, Kolasinac, Mustafi? those sales + some adidas money + 40 million = an ok budget, no?

(assuming Monreal leaves for free like Welbs and Ramsey, yeah?)

Fatgooner
Fatgooner

Absolutely no surprise.

If we win the Europa League and therefore qualify for the Champions’ League then it’s a case of “job done” as far as Stan is concerned. The Yank has no interest in challenging Citeh and Liverpool for the two major honours. He just wants the CL money. My guess is that we’ll see a repeat of last summer, with us shopping at Primark for basement bargain deals.

What we really need are three quality defenders to replace Kos, Monreal and the hopeless Mustafi. We also need a box-to-box midfielder and a world-class playmaker to replace Ramsey and Ozil, the latter being shipped off to Turkish football, where he belongs. Mkhitaryan should also go and be replaced by a quality winger.

But none of this will happen, of course.

Interesting news about Citeh today, wasn’t it? It looks like they could be banned from next year’s CL. Tell me something: if they have deliberately flouted FFP rules in order to win the Premier League, shouldn’t they be stripped of it? Or does fairness not matter any more?

AmericanGooner
AmericanGooner

Fairness doesn’t matter any more. Money does. Welcome to the world.

Ben
Ben

I’m not sure that’s entirely true, but it might be true in upper league football.

Stephen
Stephen

“The Yank has no interest in challenging Citeh and Liverpool for the two major honours.”

Based on what evidence? A different strategy doesn’t mean a different goal. A few years ago our fans were bitching about teams that did exactly what you’re begging for. Chelsea have a transfer ban, there’s calls for City to be banned from CL next year, is that what you want?

George
George

Finally, a nugget of reason amongst all of this horseshit. Thank you.

loose_cannon
loose_cannon

What about Liverpool and Sp*rs? You know, the actual CL finalists *vomits in mouth a little*. Both have sustainable models as far as we can see, so why is our strategy so different from theirs?

Ausdrexler
Ausdrexler

Stripping them of the title does what really? The players and fans know they won on the field. You wouldnt award it to Liverpool after the fact because it would be a bit of a shambles.. although I am sure the fans would embrace it, I think players would see it as a shallow title.
The real issue here imho is that any fine is not really a deterrent to the big clubs. They pay it, flaunt the rules again and continue to make way more then they lose. Starting a season with loss of points, and maybe transfer window bans are the only real deterrents.

Georgeycharles
Georgeycharles

And if they’re banned from the Champions League and stripped of the title, maybe the fourth CL place goes to the club who finished fifth – I can dream

Crash Fistfight
Crash Fistfight

Well, yes, that’s the point of the story suggesting they be banned from the CL.

Flash
Flash

I think we underestimate the importance of the leaving of Ramsey. He hardly played this season and still he is our 3rd most efficient player (not to mention his leadership qualities). I think expecting Gouendouzi, Smith Rowe and Nkunku to replace him in 1-2 years time is classic wishful-thinking. (Just imagine them against Henderson, Wanyama, Kante or Dyer)
I like our youngsters (and our target Nkunku) but this set-up would be a classis boys vs. men screenplay… again.
…and my biggest fear: if we trying to survive on the cheap and with the youngsters – the mistakes they will make occasionally but surely – will eat up the desire and momentum of our mature players (Leno, Auba, Laca…)
That will cause impatience (within the team and also in the stands). – And here we are again in the middle of the vicious circle.

Jack4343
Jack4343

Sales…must have sales. £40 million is not much especially since we need some major upgrades in several areas. Doesn’t Kroenke’s wife have some people from Wal-Mart that specialize in getting things out the door quickly? Make some calls, you gazillionaire, gaudy-suited, franchise-moving, club-draining ranch-hermit!

Jack gunner
Jack gunner

By all means get the players the defence needs. At the same time get a
defensive coach . When Wenger was manager he brushed aside the need for
one believing in his own hype.The result was a series of heavy losses to the top
teams. Who can ever forget 8-2 and the 4-4 draw with NU.Arsenal shd have sacked him there and then .
In the games against Spurs,Chelsea and MU no goals were conceded.Hopefully
Emery will relook at how Arsenal stifled the attacking threat of the 3 teams.

Fatgooner
Fatgooner

Dead right. He deserves to be given a chance, but my guess is that Emery is not the answer for Arsenal Football Club. His defensive coaching is clearly not good enough. His teams ship 50 league goals a season. We need a manager who can drill a back four,

CoNr
CoNr

has any one Seen Bould recently… not seen him in the dug out at any matches for over a month

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

I see arsenal transfer like the last season of GoT; go into it with high expectations due to constant speculations as to what will happen, then you’ll feel disappointed.

I’m a minimalist. I’m excited to see the youth play; I want Saka and Nelson in those wing positions, Willock and ESR in our midfield, and Beilik in there somewhere. I can live with that and enjoy it.

K Gunner
K Gunner

That’s way better than watching players who earn millions/yr put up the kind of performances they do

Mpls
Mpls

I would like to see them integrated as well, but not at the expense of leaving us duking it out with Wolves and Everton for ‘best of the rest’.

We are very close to restoring St. Totteringham’s Unequilibrium.

Maxin In The Shade
Maxin In The Shade

I’d love to see the young guys you mentioned given regular game time. Not just sporadic sub appearances.

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

And Eddie too. So glad he got his first Prem goal. Deserves more opportunities.

Crash Fistfight
Crash Fistfight

And lots of tits involved?

Dave
Dave

More than anything I want an identity and a style of play.

loose_cannon
loose_cannon

Does that make Ozil like Daenerys Targaryen? Started out as a hero but then…

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

More like the Night King;
Massive hype but then cant seem to handle it away from home in a cold snowy place up north.

Ryan Cummins
Ryan Cummins

I don’t get it??
How much money do premier league teams get for being in the Premier League?

I heard that Chris Hughton earned Brighton 100 million for keeping them in the Premier League this season.

How much do Arsenal get for finishing 5th?
Whatever money they get for finishing 5th should automatically be reinvested into the team.

BigStick
BigStick

I think we made something like £39 million in premier league tv money, but I could be grossly wrong.

Andy Mack
Andy Mack

A quick google will tell you what the PL clubs earnt last season.
Most of it appears to go on salaries.
The Brighton 100m mentioned would have been over a few years including the ‘parachute’ payments if they drop back to the championship, rather than 100m per year.

Alex
Alex

Based on that transcript, it won’t be spectacular. Just a central defender, box to box midfielder, wide striker, left back and right back 🤔

JamesGodwinson
JamesGodwinson

We will never win the League again under Kroenke’s era…

Omar
Omar

arseblog, David Ornstein has not said anything new here and as per normal it has disinformation right at the nucleus of what interests the reader; (i.e.) 2019 Summer transfer budget. To quote;
“It all depends on their budget. If they’re playing Europa League football next season it looks like it will be around £40m. If it’s Champions League it would be significantly higher. They also have revenue streams coming on board with the new Adidas kit deal……”

This is damningly and mischievously incorrect , the character of Ornstein surfaces again. In January2019, Vinai Venkatesham(Managing Director of AFC) stated the true facts from accounts that net spending available for Summer transfer budget before any sale of players as £45m. and the £45m was from the £60m Adidas deal less “£15m in the Red” on the books.The Adidas contract £300m runs for 5yrs and the first £60m kicks in Summer 2019.

Further, Arsenal fc. has already another £31.43m from TV and price money for having reached the final of the Europa League final! which could go to a staggering £50m if Arsenal fc. win the final in Baku this month.

Thus Arsenal fc. already has £76.43m in the Summer transfer budget! This before wining the Europa League Cup and any player sales, the likes of Elneny, Mustafi, Jenkinson, Iwobi and Monreal but Mkhitaryan cannot be sold as his Agent Raiola has a 3month ban. Arsenal could realistically be looking at £100m+ with sales and the Europa League Cup but definitely £100m as the Summer transfer budget.

Arsenal fc to move forwards and be challenging for top honours in EPL, Europe and other trophies must sign the likes of Hakim Ziyech(25yrs, Box to Box Attacking Midfielder, high energy); Hirving Lozano(22yrs, Right/Left Winger with Amazing Acceleration & Sprinting Speed) both around £25m each and available. Ismael Umtiti(World Cup winning Centre Back, Barcelona), around £35m. Keylor Nevas (32yrs World class Goal Keeper, Real Madrid) around £20m.
Arsenal must forget chasing overpriced, overvalued, hyped-up players like Wilfred Zaha and Nicolas Pepe.

Lobster
Lobster

Consider yourself smote, sir.

Peter Story Teller
Peter Story Teller

I hear there is a chap called Santi Cazorla out of contract this summer. Don’t know if you have heard of him?
He can kick a ball apparently and would not cost the earth to bring to the Emirates!

Cyprus The Immortal Gooner
Cyprus The Immortal Gooner

Like it or not that CL extra 20m won’t make as much difference as selling Ozil & Miki whose wages total 550K per week and let’s be honest, their return on the pitch is far far less than 550k.

adam
adam

Just a quick question… What would you say is Rauls top 3 achievements so far in this club since he got here? If the summer should have the slightest chance of real success I think our hopes are pinned on him. So what has he done since joining us that can get my hopes up?

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

1. Pushing out our Head of Recruitment
2. Failing to secure his 2 candidates to replace him
3. Deciding to get involved in transfer selection and deciding along with Emery Denis Suarez is a good loan option.

adam
adam

Sad. I sometimes wonder how much his succes at Barca had to do with the fact that it was…. Barca…

Andy Mack
Andy Mack

That’s true of anyone in any role that came from a club like Barca…

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

I mean, he presided over the Neymar scandal, and he was the primary catalyst for buying our Vermalaen, Song and Hleb.

JamesGodwinson
JamesGodwinson

This summer is clearly vital to Raul Sanllehi.
He must push bunch of smart deals in order to get Arsenal back on track. Or else, we are gonna slip deeper into mid table.
Everton with Usmanov money is catching up with us. Top six is gonna be very tight.
Judge Raul at the end of next season.

Sean Williams
Sean Williams

This equates to Kroenke not investing his own money. The supporters are being mugged. Please show your disdain for this “nightmare” owner. He is a shame and disgrace to Arsenal’s history and name.

Frank Castle
Frank Castle

He’s not saying anything that’s not really in the public sphere. I think Ornstein has lost his source since the change of manager/staff. This is just guess work imo

Matty Cakes
Matty Cakes

Looking forward to the Saka-Nkunku-Nketiah triumvirate next season.
£40 million ain’t much. Our buying business will need to be as good as last summer.

Fart Overjars
Fart Overjars

Any news on who’s going?

Investment in CB and CM is important but this club cannot continue to carry players who are unable to meet the needs of the team.

How can the board justify keeping guileless attackers and clumsy defenders? Everyone knows what needs to be done, selling them might remove barriers to our progress and free up funds for more suitable players

Would we have finished higher in the table without ozil, miki, mustafi et al? Probably not.

get them out, ship them off, or turn the lights out in the club house when they show up to training until they take the hint.

Iwobi’s sock suspenders
Iwobi’s sock suspenders

What’s happening with Emile SR?
Currently out on loan, is that being extended for another year do we know?
Emery clearly thought highly of him last summer and beginning of this season. He was injured for a while when he went on loan I know… what’s the rumoured plan for him?

George
George

Djené – I wasn’t familiar with him. Looked him up – seems a bit short for a CB (5’10).

Crash Fistfight
Crash Fistfight

Agree. No thanks.

BigStick
BigStick

Like Cannavaro and Maldini.

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

Or in the case of Arsenal, more like Gallas, Vermalaen, Gabriel and Mustafi.

Maybe we should stop hoping on another Cannavaro or Maldini, but look towards modern successes, like VVD?

George
George

Haha, true. I think it’s a perfectly great height, it’s pretty much my height, but you know what I meant.

Adam
Adam

Of his choice of words such as “spectacular” and “important” I deduce his source is perhaps a member of the Spanish contingent?

Laca-Sead
Laca-Sead

Griezmann !!! He is Laca’s best friend!

JamesGodwinson
JamesGodwinson

Spending on Griezmann will clearly blow out all of our budget.
Some fans need to know that Pepe, Grizemann, Umtiti rumours are just fake!!!
They need to understand the club better.

Sheesh!

Laca-Sead
Laca-Sead

I don’t know about rumours, I just think he would fit right in. I wonder how much we could get for Ozil? PSG piling up names, he could compensate for Rabiot departure.

C.B.
C.B.

You are forgetting Auba.

Thank You Rambo
Thank You Rambo

It is what it is at the end of the day, we know the people running the club are tossers, but there are plenty of cheaper transfer options out there that just need ‘that chance’. It just means a likely increased adaptation time if we’re asking them to make the step up to a higher level & obviously the risk that they can’t step up, but we’ve spent big on plenty of players that couldn’t adapt or just got complacent so I’m kind of excited about what bargains we can find under the new gaffer. The expectation will be lower & who knows, that might help create a togetherness as a group rather than a dependency on older players than just aren’t up to it?… Let’s hope there’s another Freddie Ljungberg & Kolo Toure out there for us…
It’s tough going & with a potential apocalypse in sight, but fuck it, I’m embracing the challenge ahead. I just hope we’re not waiting for the outcome of the final to get started. Aim low & if we have champions league money to add to things then it’s a bonus. We can’t waste time like in the past.

Faisal Narrage
Faisal Narrage

Funny thing is I used to love the days of Arsenal buying smart and everyone saying “who?” to the players we got. From Van Persie, to Eduardo and Kos being our last of that ilk.

Felt as soon as we started trying to buy established names is when we lost our way. It’s frustrating as Spurs and Liverpool are merely doing what we used to and used to be good at.

Glenn
Glenn

Not sure Djene is the answer to our defence – his passing stats are terrible, 71%. For comparison, that’s worse than all of our outfield players, and our centre backs are generally around 88-91%.

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/332990/Show/Djen%C3%A9-Dakonam

karl
karl

Is there really such a huge financial difference between Champions League and Europa League? In the podcast Andrew compares finalists from both competitions and the prize money, but surely Arsenal would maybe just get out of the groups stages at best with the current squad in the top competition.

David Hillier's luggage
David Hillier's luggage

Swiss Ramble has the breakdown on his twitter. It’s a huge difference. We would have got €26.6m purely on our UEFA coefficient, regardless of any prize money for winning games, guaranteed participation money, or TV money. We’ve earned €36m so far for getting to the final of the Europa and will max get €40m.

Utd and City earned €93m for losing in the quarters of the UCL.

None of these figures include ticket sales or increased sponsorship. From experience you would expect 3 Cat B games and and 1 Cat A games if we made it out of the group. The highest priced Europa games this season were 1/4-1/3 of the price of a Cat A game, and about half the price of a Cat B. The club are almost certainly taking more money from just getting out of a UCL group from ticket sales than getting to the semis of the Europa.

karl
karl

But according to the wiki page it is a lot less if you don’t get past the group stages. I just think the Champions League money wouldn’t even make much of a dent on the wage bill unless you make it further into the competition.

I would love to get back into the CL, but we will not suddenly be awash with transfer funds.

edzo
edzo

Same old story. One of the richest clubs in the world saying it has no money to spend and us fans hoping to make champs league so instead of a 20 million center back we’ll buy a 25 million center back.

Kronke has no interest in spending which is why they developed the branding that our club has values and will do things the arsenal way, in other words buy one big name every so often to keep fans happy but then buy cheap players who are average.

sambo
sambo

Something honestly tells me this guy knows NOTHING, and is clutching at Arsenals uncertainty to keep himself relevant and gather a living. Honestly he’s just regurgitated the same lines from anyone and everyone. How can our club have only 40mil to spend? Stop it.

Ric
Ric

It’s not what we *have* to spend it’s what we’re willing to/ realistically gonna spend without champions league (but even with it I doubt we’ll splash that much more)

Don’t Forget
Don’t Forget

This sounds right to me. People expecting Özil, Mkhi, Elneny, Mustafi to all be moved on will definitely be disappointed.

Laca-Sead
Laca-Sead

Ozil 20M, Elneny 12M, Mustafi 15M. Mkhi is an important player and should stay.
47M for all three players + the huge wage bill release should allow us a happy transfer window. COYG

Don’t Forget
Don’t Forget

Would be nice but we’re losing 3 players whose contracts are expiring. I don’t see us bringing in more than 3 or 4. So 1 of Jenkinson/Elneny/Mustafi will go but that’s about it I think

karl
karl

I would blow whatever we have on a central defender to enable us to trust a back four again. That would strengthen the midfield by allowing an extra player in there.

We scored plenty of goals outside of the top two, but let in way too many. If this can’t solve something, then it has to be bad coaching.

Santori
Santori

Sounds about right. I could tell you the same (which I have)

I doubt we even go past 50m even with CL footy (watch City and UEFA issue too)

BUT if we don’t make it, we are going to have a difficult summer.

As mentioned I think our priorities are :

1)Cback. As I mentioned before we don’t have to get a top drawer name (cost will be prohibitive) but someone diligent. There have beena number of teams that have done well defensively this season I think Lille has also been quiet parsimonious in defense, Inter Milan.

I think we should let Koscielny go bc his age and wear and tear issues will call into question durability. Even with new Cback + Sokratis + Holding, we will need two more to cover.

One of Chambers or Mustafi should stay depending on who has the better offer in market and of course if comfort level coming off the bench.

PLUS Mavropanos should prefrably go on Strong loan to accelerate development.

2) CM . Its the deep lying area we have issue with. Torreira has NOT been a complete answer and has shortcomings. Say what you will about Mustafi or Granit but Torreira in a spell either side of Xmas conspired to lose or was fleeced off the ball 6 or 7 times against BHA, Soton, West Ham etc…4 of which directly led to goals costing us 11 points

I think what we have been missing his authority ON the ball, some one who can hold the ball at feet and carry it up field.

Again the likes of Viera (through physicality) or Santi (through finesse on both feet) or Diaby (a mixture of both) the type we need.

Aside from Nkunku there are other players we should look at like a pair of Portugese at Everton (Andre Gomes) or Wolves (Ruben Neves). Kongdogbia at Valencia maybe.

3) Wide forward = winger which we have NOT addressed since Alexis period. Productivity predominantly stems from our left (Iwobi/Kolasinac) particularly in absence of Bellerin which makes us predictable and easy to defend against.

Lots of option but here’s where we have to spend – Ziyech, Lozano, Neres (Eridevisere), Thauvin, Carrasco (I mentioned last summer is a long shot), Bamba at Lille (Pepe may be out priced for us)

We need players with exceptional technical abilities both on the wing and in the CM position.

Then less priority :

3) Back up keeper. Dependent on Martinez assessment (and Ospina decision). We don;t have to break the bank here.

4) Striker – Whether Nketiah stays around the squad or goes on loan, with Welbeck gone, we need a third player to be able to function on apex. BUT we don’t need an experienced player rather someone with potential and nearer prime age (21/22yr old). This can be a bit more of a gamble bc we hold an additional alternate in Nketiah of course.

As far as LBack is concern, I don’t see it. This will be least priority.

Monreal should be extended one more season to both cover at Cback as a 5th choice AND alternate with Kolasinac. His experience will be key (particularly if we shed Koscielny…which we should)

We don’t have to rush the decision on this position and it will merely distract from other bigger priorities.

Also do not see a need for Rback.

AMN IS in his natural position. He covered Lback before and now he’s putting in a great shift on his natural side. He should continue to develop in this area and add competition to Bellerin. There is NO NEED for a Rback further. Also either of Chambers or Mustafi (whoever stays) can cover as third back up.

Its going to be tough staying within the 50-60m budget as is with just 3 major signings to add. There are again 10 teams who can and will spend more than us (PSG, Barca, RM, Bayern, Juve, Chelsea, City, United plus Liverpool and Spurs)

Santori
Santori

BUT the area I would like to see our club spend and have the MOST ambition this summer is frankly for the Technical Director.

Sadly I don’t think those above Raul have the cojones or clout.

Personally I would like to see us spend and get Luis Campos in

http://breakingthelines.com/manager-analysis/luis-campos-the-rise-of-footballs-most-underrated-sporting-director/

If it means kicking Raul upstairs, I would.

We simply need someone like Campos to operate in conjunction with Unai.

BUT the problem at Arsenal is we show no ambition in this area and go for quick fixes (Mslintat)

Santori
Santori

Too many are emotional when it comes to who should leave and lack levity in judgement.

Those who think it will be easy to offload Ozil, Mustafi etc are having a wank.

We can’t even sell Elneny and Jenkinson who are way more useless to the squad.

We have Cech, Welbeck, Ramsey, Lichstiner out. Koscielny should be allowed to step down too.

Plus those two mentioned and that is a lot of players out.

Any more players will depend on offers but ask yourself exactly who will want to pay for Ozil?

IMO who goes out beyond those i mentioned depends on IF there is market interest so :

1) GK Martinez or Ospina (MOst likely the Colombian will want to leave for regular football, maybe both if Martinez is considered not up to standard)

2) CB – Its either Mustafi or Chambers. Chambers needs further assessment (he did on all accounts well at Fulham but they were abject defensively). Chambers has versatility but depends on whether he wants to stay in the first place and if he fetches a higher price in market bc of his British pedigree.

3) AM – Its between Ozil or Mhkitaryan IMO. With Smith Rowe likely a potential to takeover from Ramsey in coming years, we have enough playmakers to shed one if need be (we don’t have to)

Ozil of course as I mention will be a difficult sell (see wage). Mhkitaryan may still fetch a decent price (say in Italy)

Otherwise Jenkinson and Elneny need to be got rid of. I think we should find a buyer for the Egyptian. He is NOT good enough for our needs (we need better options in midfield and still lack certain capabilities as mentioned) and as fifth choice back up in deep midfield (worse to worse) we have Willock.

Jenkinson just needs to be given away. He is NOT GOOD ENOUGH. No need to be sentimental about the fact he is a gooner. He doesn’t even get the nod ahead of Mustafi…that should tell you enough.

Santori
Santori

Worth noting even the normally hysteric Arsenal Fan TV have calmed their criticism on Mustafi and have a more lucid nuance judgement on the player.

He is no where as bad as some prefer to see him. Too many amplify any fault they can find on the player whilst conveniently ignoring the positives he does.

And there are plenty.

1)He has good strength in the air, wins a lot of aerial challenges for us over the season. This is an area we can struggle on (have in the past) particularly against teams like Stoke back in the day that like to get ‘physical’. We saw against Burnley and BHA players that tangle with Mustafi tend to come off injured.

2) Contrary to opinion he comes in with a lot of blocks and critical clearances over the course of the campaign. Again just recently against Burnley, he put in a massive block to stop a goal. Had it been Sokratis or Kosceilny, some people would have a right wank but since its Mustafi, they conveniently stay silent.

3) He also has a decent out ball from the back. Whilst his long range passing isn’t as good as Granit, it is decent and can be further developed.

In fact it may go unnoticed to some but the backline tend to use Mustafi to pump the ball forward. He did that most recently against Burnley providing Auba with a direct ball from the back setting up a great goal scoring opportunity.

Now how some people can just be so blinkered and pass judgement on hytserical sentiment rather than reflect on performances game to game is beyond me.

They rather have an unquantified element in Mavropanos than Mustafi even though facts point toward the German being more reliable at this present point of time.

As I mentioned a sale on Mustafi is not out of the question by any means but will be dependent on offer in market.

Otherwise he is a VERY useful option to have as a 3rd or 4th choice for next season even with a new Cback + Sokratis + Holding (monreal being a 5th back up)

Chambers is the other part of the equation. Whether Calum wants to stay as a back up is one thing (nothing is guaranteed) and of course he needs assessment in the summer (BC as decent as he was on loan…Fulham flattered to deceive)

Santori
Santori

Hopefully, the transfer ban at Chelsea, potential CL Disqualification for City, potential Liverpool spending halt and Spurs stadium repayment will play to our favour this summer.

Paul Roberts
Paul Roberts

Sorry to join late. Is it £40M plus player sales or is David including expected player sales in that figure?