Having made two costly mistakes in the 3-1 defeat to Liverpool, listening to David Luiz talk about defending is a bit like reading ‘How to sail around icebergs’ by the captain of the Titanic. However, the Brazilian is forthright about the need for the entire team to improve.

The new signing gave away a daft penalty, then got turned too high up the pitch by Mo Salah which led to the third goal, but while he admits he has to do better himself, he says the overall mentality needs to be addressed.

Arsenal conceded 51 goals in each of the last two Premier League seasons, and the 32 year old was asked if reducing that total was key for achieving success and a top four finish.

“Yeah, we have to,” he said. “I think if you concede a lot of goals you cannot fight for the title so this is one main thing we have to think about and try to reduce and try to make the team stronger.

“It is not just about me, it is not just about the defenders, it is about the mentality of the team.

“I think the team already did great against Newcastle, did great against Burnley to understand the kind of game we were playing for.

“We were clinical in Newcastle with one clear opportunity we score and don’t concede. With Burnley, we were clinical to understand the game is always to play first ball, second ball, fighting, they try to score with free-kicks and things like that and we did amazing and today I think it could be a different game if we score but we did not and so this is about football.

“Football is like that. Every week is a new history and we have to try and learn and improve our game.”

We’ll have to wait and see what Unai Emery has learned about his team ahead of this Sunday’s North London derby, and whether we can find that defensive improvement.

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Mouise
Mouise

David, you have to improve your global mentality. When your coach says again and again before the game that he’d rather not play Liverpool… With such a mentality in no way you were going to get a good result there…

Papa Large, big shot in North London
Papa Large, big shot in North London

I don’t see the logic in this. Coaches constantly downplay their chances in the media but the team talk isn’t going to consist of “we’re going to get pantsed and probably lost 4-0, if you can make it 3-1 we’ll go out for pizza after the game.”

IamaGoober

I sit in the camp of we were a little unlucky against Liverpool on Saturday. To go to Anfield and lose 3-1 when they only scored one goal from open play is a little unfortunate. Especially when you consider that we did cause them a lot of problems and probably should have had a goal to show for our efforts in the first half.

Liverpool hardly ripped through us constantly like they did last season. The only time they really ran at us and caused us a real problem was for Salah’s goal. However that was directly linked to the penalty. Had Luiz not have been booked in that incident, I think he takes Salah out there on the halfway line preventing him from bearing down on goal to score.

I am sure had he of done that, we would all been making reference to Luiz’s shit housery and defensive intelligence for opting to make a smart foul when we were defensively stretched and vunerable to a break away.

And speaking of the penalty, I know it was a stupid thing to do, but, I still think it was a fucking harsh penalty to give. I cant recall ever seeing a penalty like that given before. Premier League defenders constantly pull the shirts of forwards in the box, Van Dijk literally did it to Pepe in the first half 3 or 4 times and (of course) nothing was given. But thats fine, it wasn’t given because it happens so frequently most referees kinda have to let it slide otherwise they are going to be awarding penalties literally all of the time. So for the referee on the day to all of a sudden award a penalty like 60 seconds into the second half for that does seem mental to me. And I am willing to bet that you do not see any defenders booked for shirt pulling in the box this season (and a subsequent penalty awarded).

I know they dominated the ball for large portions of the game. But, for the most part we did limit Liverpool in the first half to very little chances on goal. And the majority of their possession was kept to the wide areas.

They did have free rein to whip in crosses as both our full backs didnt shut them down early enough. Which was a symptom of playing that midfield diamond, as both Monreal and AMN did usually have two Liverpool players to contend with frequently, simply because they just didnt have the cover in front of them which a wide midfielder would usually provide. Guendouzi and Wilock weren’t always able to get across to help out quick enough when Liverpool kept doing those big diagonal balls to switch the play.

Our central midfielders never really put enough pressure on the Liverpool midfielders to prevent them from constantly hitting those long passes which were causing us a lot of problems. Thats why I felt Torriera would’ve made a bit more sense then Xhaka — but I understood why Emery picked him as he wanted him to hit Pepe and Auba over the top, which as I said on another post, Xhaka just didnt do it enough.

I will be intrigued to watch and see how other managers look to play away at Anfield this season. So guys like Nuno, Dyche, Hodgson, who can set their sides up to be fairly robust defensively, and of course Guardiola. It will be interesting to see how they go about trying to keep Liverpool out for 90 minutes. Then it might be able to gauge how well we actually did.

Duno
Duno

My thoughts more or less. I don’t get the we were torn apart narrative. We will only improve in time especially if we can make our PAL front three fluid. We were punished for not being clinical. Auba and Pepe were guilty of that. It’s almost like a mental block something but I believe it’s something that can be overcomed by winning more games regularly. We need to stop being afraid of these teams away from home.

Dave M
Dave M

It’s a penalty, if you’re gonna do it you can’t reach out no matter how “light” you tug the shirt. Your arm is stretched and the shirt comes off the body and it’s so obvious. To get away with it you have to do it close to the player with arms not extended. Easy. It was too obvious not to give a penalty.

As for the rest I mostly agree with. I think our biggest failing comes down to playing it out from the back without variability. Said it in a previous story. We played into Liverpool’s hands. We want to play on the break so we tried to do what we did to Burnley – draw them on. But Liverpool are CLASSES above that. They didn’t press out hard through the middle but marked outlets tight in the middle of the pitch pushing Arsenal wide to the fullbacks and mids assisting wide. Then Liverpool closed down and forced passes back into a congested midfield and we turned it over. Tactically perfect pressing, executed perfectly. We wanted to play on the break, so we should have just gone direct and long with that formation and the Pepe/Auba outlet…but we didn’t adjust. That is what killed us during the game. Otherwise I think our tactic of keeping it tight through the middle was a good one that basically fell down via a corner and a pretty stupid shirt tug for a penalty.

Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia
Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia

Overcrowded center defence and repulsing opposing attacks and go for counterattacks when possible, isn’t that what smaller teams do against bigger teams all the time ? Whether you set the team up in a diamond formation or not, it is still the same parking the bus. Opposing coaches always tell their strikers: “Be patient, there will be errors which you can exploit”. The game lasts 90 minutes not 40.
Remember the game we played in Barcelona with all our players in defence except the CF? It looked we could have qualified had Bendtner scored his opportunity but in reality we were never going to win.
Why are we so proud of a system that small teams play all the time?

Dave M
Dave M

OK arsene, guess we could give that another shot…

kaius
kaius

Reminds me of that time when “small club” Atletico Madrid packed the defence and played on the counter against us in the Europa League semi-final. People said such nice things about the way we played.

And then Atletico went on to lift the trophy.

Santori
Santori

Unlucky?

Ridiculous.

They outplayed us.

We bought a lousy player who made (unexpectedly) two elementary mistakes leading to goals.

BUT we were peppered with crosses thanks to poor tactics and lack of change and we paid the price.

Nothing unlucky. Sure Auba or Pepe could have got goals but they did not.

On that note, Liverpool could have added more.

We were NOT competitive and I don’t see ANY improvement from last season frankly (against this end of opposition at least)

You’re frankly…having a laugh. Call a spade a spade.

Goose
Goose

So fucking what if they did out play us? They’re the better team at home. But we still could’ve won the game.

Did you not learn anything from the baron years at the Emirates. We would quite often out play teams all the time. But we still lost shit loads to teams far worse than us. Ferguson,
Mourinho used to do exactly the same thing to us for fucking years. They’d let us have the ball, they’d be camped in their half for the majority of the 90 minutes. Then any of the following;
Rooney, Ronaldo, Drogba or some other cunt would just pop up on a breakaway and score, and we’d be 1 nil down after having 70% of the ball, about a million crosses, corners, shots on target.

If one of Aubameyang or Pepes chances landed in the first half we would’ve been in prime position for the rest the game to pick them off.

The difference being they didn’t score their chances.

Dave M
Dave M

Difference is with mourinho he didn’t try and play the ball out from the back at all costs against possibly the best tactical and executed pressing game in world football. I don’t mind the tactic of being stout defensively and playing on the counter in these games (in fact I’ve been calling for it for years), but we desperately need more flexibility in how we tried to move the ball upfield. Emery even said we didn’t break through the Liverpool press as much as we’d have liked…no $hit mate – no one does! So adjust! But we didn’t we keep trying to play through the Liverpool press all game. That was our big mistake here, not the pragmatic and more solid system. We should have played more direct, whenever we broke fast and directly we were dangerous and a lot of that came off Liverpool turnovers.

gus
gus

We have finally a front 3 if all fit and raring to go can give the top two a run for their money, the difference is behind them we are pants.
pool have 3 no frills box to box workhorses whose job is simply too recover, retain and play in the front 3, the 3 are aptly supported by flying wingbacks whom are also covered defensively by the 3 in the middle.

we have 1 defensive midfielder in torreira, now need to add two more, guendozi xakha, ceballos are all no 8s there to distribute and playmake, whos going to the dirty work?

if we want a playmaker then play ozil behind the 3 and having two beasts behind the four can still work.

we can tell emery has a chip on his shoulder hence playing denis suarez over ozil at man city last year and ceballos over ozil this year, its like throwing a lamb at a pack of wolves they are not upto speed.

thankfully chelski and united are poor as well so gives us a real chance for top four this year
just my opinion

goonero
goonero

Yeah weird how a side renowned for their defensive solidity managed to succeed at a tactic that a side who have one of the worst defensive records in their country failed at…weird….

A Different George
A Different George

Pulling the shirt of a player without the ball, to impede his movement, is pretty common, hard to see, and rarely results in a penalty. Pulling the shirt, from behind, of a player who has passed you and who has control of the ball, is easy to see and is almost always given.

Dave
Dave

Have you ever played competitive football?

If so you’ll understand what a big difference it makes someone pulling your shirt like that to stop you getting to the ball/put you off balance whilst shooting.

It was a stonewall penalty and stupid one to give away to boot, considering how obvious it was.

Arsenal hire Erik Ten Hag!!...save the future!!
Arsenal hire Erik Ten Hag!!...save the future!!
Hi-Jay
Hi-Jay

Using Football Manager as a reference?

George
George

Isn’t it a school night?

The only sp*rs i like is san antonio
The only sp*rs i like is san antonio

What will you do then if he does signed but then we got thrased by palace or wolves?

Nick Moir
Nick Moir

Luiz is better in a back 3, start him alongside Chambers and Pap, especially with Nacho man about to leave!

BigArse
BigArse

Yeah, this is a reasonable/rational option given our personnel, but I hate it though. We lose so much dynamism when we play that way, it’s all about wing backs to the byline and crosses/pullbacks. But given our centre back and even our full back situation it might make the most sense against strong opposition. At least until Bellerin/Holding/Tierney are fit.

goonero
goonero

Yeah I’m not sure this is the guy I want to hear this from, but he’s not wrong I guess.

But let’s not pretend David Luiz is the solution to our defensive problems. He didn’t get into the side on merit, he got in based on his experience and familiarity with Emery. He’s not put in performances that merit him keeping his starting birth since. Chambers hardly put a foot wrong all pre-season and was solid against Newcastle. He deserves a start in the NLD.

IndianGooner
IndianGooner

There’s something very satisfying in seeing that text format/font change between successive apostrophe marks.

Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia
Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia

We’re already seeing why David Luiz found the Lamps turned off at Chelsea and feared enduring obscurity by coming to Arsenal.

kaius
kaius

It’s nice for the people with agendas against Emery and David Luiz that this Liverpool game came early. Keep crowing lads

At the end of the day David Luiz has won the title in 3 different countries and has a CL medal. It’s also the same David Luiz that kept Laca and Auba quiet in the Europa League Final we just lost – but that doesn’t fit the narrative about him.

Calum Chambers is a fine player, but there’s a reason we had to send him out on loan despite the fact he cost 16m pounds, which was a massive outlay for us in 2014.

goonero
goonero

Oooh of course it’s the “agendas”, because anytime anybody has a criticism of anything it’s suddenly part of some deep seated hatred or nefarious “agenda” 🙄. Guess we’ll have to review our Luiz bashing policy at the next haters meeting because clearly you’re on to the conspiracy.

Look, Mustafi is a world cup winner, Gael Clichy is an invincible, Bergkamps never won a European trophy or award and Gary Oldman s never won an Oscar, talent isn’t always measured by success. Fucking look at Lichtsteiners resume, that guy had it all, except the ability to play football at the highest level in his mid 30s but I digress.

We signed a veteran defender who was set to be benched or sold to any buyer because we’d just lost our own veteran defender in surprising circumstances and are busy trying to replace Mustafi. Let’s not make it out to be like we scouted David Luiz out as the answer to everything wrong in our back line. If he was, Chelsea wouldn’t sell him, least of all to us. He’s a better version of the kind of signings Mikael Silvester and Squillaci were, a nice body to have in the squad. He doesn’t have to be and at present doesn’t merit being an undisputed starter in our XI.

And Chambers went out on loan because he wanted to play regular, first team, week in week out, football and prove that he was worth a place at Arsenal. I’m not sure how much more he could have done to make a case for himself. People say it’s hard to be a bright light in a shit side, but he won player of the season for them and all people like you have to say about it is “well if he was so good then why did he have to go out on loan in the first place??”, doesn’t make much sense to me.

kaius
kaius

David Luiz is an Arsenal player now.

I feel like I need to point that out because some of you are so invested in tearing certain our players down.

I said it before, Calum Chambers is a fine player. He wasn’t sold in the summer, and the coach showed confidence in him by starting him in our first game. So why are you acting like he’s been banished to the reserves? He was on the bench at Anfield ffs.

goonero
goonero

Yeah, he’s been one for all of one month. Maybe it’s reasonable to look at the 20 odd year career he’s had until now and draw some observations from that on what kind of player he might be?

You can analyse a player without “tearing them down”. Where has all this puussyfooted nonsense of “OH DUUUDE YOU CAN’T, LIKE, SAY NOT POSITIVE THINGS, MAN, THAT’S LIKE, NEGATIVE VIBES, BRO, WE’RE LIKE, NOT MEANT TO DO THAT”. This relentless positivity you want people to exude at all times is just not realistic. It’s like you’re trying to make football discussion forums more like those new age SJW safe spaces where no one can say anything without offending someones oh so delicate sensibilities. Go down to a pub on match day and tell the lads there not to ever say mean things about our players, I’m sure they’ll tell you where to go. Granted some people take it too far, but it’s no less absurd being one of those annoying relentless optimists who get’s in everyone’s craw for not being as positive as you as it is being one of those jobless goons who wishes ill will on people over a game of football.

Your words were “Chambers is a fine player but there’s a reason we sent him out on loan” suggesting he’s not good enough, and that’s what I replied to. Stop shifting goal posts. I know he was on the bench, and that had nothing to do with what I said…
My point was that Chambers loan spell shouldn’t be seen as an indication that he’s not good enough, which again, is what you said the first time before you changed tack.

kaius
kaius

Everyone’s an SJW when they disagree with you aren’t they?

I don’t talk here the way I do when I watch games with my mates because I’d be banned. But let me be blunt because apparently you don’t respect people who simply state an alternative point of view. I’m not impressed with your whiny, reactionary points of view, and your agenda against David Luiz is pathetic and transparent.

Making reductive, sneaky-ass comparisons to Squillaci and Silvestre, meanwhile you took offence at me saying “Calum Chambers is a fine player”? It was a compliment! But I wasn’t positive enough about Chambers for you. Yet you’re whining about how unbearably positive I want everything to be. Laughable hypocrisy.

I have looked at David Luiz’ twenty year career. And I see a tough, versatile, modern defender who I’d start in ANY game, a competitor who everyone, even opposing coaches respect. Some like you, however, only seem to see the mistakes. Didn’t Chambers make high-profile mistakes for us too? If Emery were to judge Chambers the way you judge Luiz, he’d have sold him this summer.

Instead Emery kept him, worked with him closely in pre-season, and gave him a confidence-boosting start in our first game, and kept him in the squad for Anfield. And still you whine as if the player’s been wronged.

Calum was dropped to the bench after a good performance, confidence intact, knowing he’s gonna be involved this season. If he’d played against Liverpool and made an error during a loss, I seriously doubt you’d agree with people who said he must immediately be dropped for the next game.

Santori
Santori

Arsenal player did not prevent Mustafi, Granit or Ozil from being criticised and much of the criticism is valid.

BUT where they are wrong is they then prefer to ONLY see bad things in certain players and give others a pass.

Luiz has merits.

BUT he is not the clever signing many prefer to imagine.

He will have his liabilities and it does not improve us.

Because we really just need a no nonsense player at the back.

And we failed to do this bc we preferred to prolong an over the hill Koscielny (he id us a favour we did not take advantage of) and buy Mustafi 2.0 but with extra age.

Don’t invent excuses. Or hold double standards.

This is a player blooded in PL with experience making stupid mistakes and now talking nonsense frankly.

Just admit the fault and try to move on.

GraeB
GraeB

Looking forward to trying Holding and Chambers together – maybe League Cup or EL – as the future of our defence, with Tierney and Bellerin.

Max Fischer
Max Fischer

So am I. I remember them starting together against Liverpool to open the season a few years back (and it not going well), but I believe their progressions make them a capable duo now.

jon

Holding seems very sympathetic, brave and English. He reads the play well, but is rather slow, and no Messiah for the hungry, longing Arsenal fans waiting for his return.

Santori
Santori

Here we go, people now looking to the future, something about a transition year (again), Saliba being the next Van Djik. Living in fantasy.

We need solution now.

This league, a couple of games shedding points and it will be difficult again to hit top 4.

Thankfully, the only silver lining is Spurts bottled it to Newcastle and United to Palace.

BUT we cannot continue to rely on that sort of luck.

Patrik Ljungberg
Patrik Ljungberg

BUT we have heard this before. Broken record…

Tony Hall
Tony Hall

Erm no David, after being responsible for conceding two goals at the weekend you have to …

Keeping it Monreal
Keeping it Monreal

Papa and Luiz definitely have their merits but it makes me very nervous having two nut jobs at centre back. Especially with VAR

jon

Sokratis is excellent. Neither does he play nastily. Several of his bookings have been on the harsh side.

Santori
Santori

Sokratis guilty of unnecessary shirt pulling which prevented GUendouzi (ironically) from challenging Matip for the first goal.

Mootilated
Mootilated

I mean, we did sign a player who was considered to be Chelsea’s most susceptible to making silly mistakes so, what did we expect?

Bendtnerschristmastree
Bendtnerschristmastree

well, at least they replaced those mistakes with zouma

locksley444
locksley444

You mean that guy who gave away a penalty himself? Luiz was definitely at fault yesterday(twice) but he’s way better than Mustafi in every aspect. Chambers is a solid option but I can’t fault Emery for going with experience and ability on the ball against a high pressing team. He has his share of bad games and yesterday was one, but he does add positives and overall I’m okay with one bad game out of 10-12. If he makes mistakes more frequently a la Mustafi, bring on Calum Chambers.

Santori
Santori

How is he better than Mustafi?

He made two unforced errors.

One a tug on a shirt and the other too tight ona player for someone of his ‘experience’.

his worse performance for us (ironically when Unai switched us to back 4 half time), Mustafi only made two mistakes as well but equally critical.

BUT we are talking about a much more experience player here.

yura910721
yura910721

Tug on shirt was hardly unforced and being roasted by Salah on a turn isn’t either. Look, those were clearly mistakes that ideally he shouldn’t have made. But Mustafi’s problem is that he is taking it to the next level. He is gonna make one, even when is not under much pressure. We know what we have got in Luiz, we expected that he is gonna make those mistakes.

Mootilated
Mootilated

”Chambers is a solid option but I can’t fault Emery for going with experience and ability on the ball against a high pressing team”

So why did he decide to go for inexperience for in our midfield over experience and ability? Surely Torreira would have been a better midfield option. Also, Lacazette.

LEFT08
LEFT08

He is right about needing to improve the way we defend as a team. He made costly mistakes at Anfield but he is generally a good defender who can play a bit too. I think our defense will feel safer with him around in the long term.

Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia
Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia

Mustafi is generaĺly a good defender who scores four goals by headers if you don’t consider his errors.

locksley444
locksley444

Except Mustafi commits bad errors almost, if not every game. Kinda hard to not consider them at that rate.

Santori
Santori

Which is not true.

Because if you watch properly, he has some very good games for us, puts in a lot of blocks and stops, many critical and provides strength in the air most times (something we are again struggling with)

Get away from the red herrings and actually watch the games.

People tend to amplify certain games like Palace but Mustafi was barely featured subsequent games when we lost 7 in a trot including against Wolves next game when the pairing of Koscielny_Sokratis (many calling for this) shipped 3 goals.

BUT also during the span of games, Mustafi did not make many mistakes and we still lost and as mentioned he wasn’t featured in a lot of them.

If you carry on thinking the way you do (as many prefer to) you will never get to the root issues plaguing his team that have been continuously shunted to one side.

Andre
Andre

No shit, Sherlock!

YoungFabregas
YoungFabregas

Yeah Luiz was clumsy for the 2nd and 3rd, but as much as I hate to say it that Liverpool team looked like they were going to end up with at least 3 goals in that match anyways

Red-Wing
Red-Wing

Am I the only one who thought we actually defended well until we conceded the first goal from corner?

The plan was to pack the centre of the park so Salah, Mane and Firmino have as little space as possible to dribble and combine, and let ther fullbacks put crosses in and deal with them. Apart from a couple of Liverpool chances, which they’ll always have, we did our job really well in that regard. Quick and/or long balls to Pepe and Auba to counter attack worked well too, as we could’ve scored a couple ourselves as well.

Obviously, then we conceded from a corner and the change of tactics was very much needed for the second half in my opinion. It didn’t happen, Luiz committed a stupid foul and then couldn’t tackle Salah for the third one since he already had a yellow card because of that, and the game was over.

But yeah, in the large picture we definitely have to improve defensively.

Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia
Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia

Don’t you think we get good chances in every games playing other systems ? A lot of times we get even more chances. Why bother playing this system? We are a team that always get chances.

kaius
kaius

Yes but if we’re a team that always gets chances anyway, why open yourself up defensively away from home?

Especially when your opponent plays a kind of kamikaze-type football like Klopp does. He didn’t have Virgil van Dijk to cover his ass before, which might explain why he lost something like 5 major Finals in a row (one of them to Emery) before last year’s CL win.

Our tactical approach was fine, the problem was our execution, esp taking the chances that came our way.

PeteyB
PeteyB

I’m in the same boat as Kaius I think. The game plan was risky but we were executing fine for 40 mins and had 3 very presentable chances in that time.

Oregoon

We set up not to get beat down the middle, which had been their strong point at least the last three times we met. Although we were quite slack and defended too deeply at times, all the crosses by their renown fullbacks came to nothing. Exactly the execution, as one of our most experienced defenders made to rookie mistakes.

Teams need to play at Anfield like their lives depen on it. Only saw that at times on Saturday, and from only a few players.

truj
truj

Sure

loose_cannon
loose_cannon

Yes Luiz made costly mistakes, but those mistakes were born out of relentless pressure by the hosts. I’d have less sympathy if, as a whole, we were more competitive in the game. He also wasn’t the only one, Ceballos had a shocker with that pass across goal for example, but we got away with those.

Goonereality
Goonereality

You can’t compare Cabellos to Luiz. They both had poor games, but Ceballos has hardly played in the EPL. Luiz is a vastly experienced player who has been everywhere in the EPL. His errors cost us the game and were not the sort of mistakes that you expect from someone of his experience.

loose_cannon
loose_cannon

But that’s my point; Luiz’ errors didn’t cost us the game alone, our performance and approach massively contributed. When you sit off opponents for most of the game, and especially against teams of Liverpool’s quality, these mistakes are the natural result. We made a lot of defensive mistakes, but Luiz ended up being the guy that paid. If we dominated the game and then we lost because of mistakes out of nowhere, I’d be much more critical.

Ak47
Ak47

We all blame Luiz for the Salahz goals but what was Nacho doing just looking at the ball roll past him. No attempt to intercept. At least that’d slightly put off the attacker allowing Luiz to get in position. It’s this kinda defending mentality that Luiz is talking about.

Santori
Santori

Nacho was trying to cover for Luiz but he was caught too high and frankly he is an older player without the pace. BUT it doesn’t detract from the fact it was Luiz’s fault in the first place.

IF you are experience, you do not go tight and allow for all that space behind you.

There was similar criticism last season on Mustafi being too aggressive the season before and he adjusted to it.

Now this player makes a similar mistake and the same people critical of a much younger Mustafi like to invent excuses.

Santori
Santori

That would be said of Mustafi too by that measure.

You are holding double standards and inventing excuses for one player whilst being harsh on another.

Santori
Santori

Absolutely right.

Cebellos is a player getting use to this league and put in an awkward position with a midfield shape frankly a bit confused.

Luiz should know better.

Evang. Simon
Evang. Simon

I will judge the team at the end of the season…

Let the gaffer just get the right personnel to execute each tactics he wants to deploy….

We have enough firearms…

COYG

Jai
Jai

Why do fans seem to think that buying defenders will mean our defence improves? Surely it’s fairly obvious that a good defence regardless of personnel is down to the manager? Simeone built a beast defence through coaching. Emery has never shown that he can do that.

Goonereality
Goonereality

I think that’s a tad unfair. How long did it take Simeone to build his “beast”? Not a single season. The defence was never really given any priority under Wenger for years. Changes are being made since Emery took over – not least the removal of Mustafi at long last – and the majority of the bigger Summer signings were defensive.

That said, Luiz was poor at Anfield and needs to get his act together pdq. There’s obviously a lot of work to be done, but let’s give Emery and his staff a Simeone-like chance.

Santori
Santori

It should if you buy the right defender.

BUT this is a player who has had a track record of blowing hot and cold.

And those mistakes were elementary. Ask yourself what you would say if Mustafi made them.

Double standards much?

Timmy H
Timmy H

When will our fans learn? Luiz had a couple of poor moments against Liverpool but nothing positive can come from everyone jumping on the hate train at the first sign of trouble – which seems to be happening. He’s not the long term solution to our defensive predicament but he’s part of the team now, so get behind him.

Fatgooner
Fatgooner

“Luiz: We have to improve our defensive mentality.”

No, David, we have to improve our defensive personnel and the quality of defensive coaching.

I remember when the transfer window closed and I said that I was disappointed by our failure to sign a top-quality defender. As usual I got a million thumbs-down. On Saturday Liverpool brutally exposed the limitations of our defence. Sideshow bob was never good enough to play for us at centre-half and is, if anything, a downgrade on Kos. And we have a manager whose defensive coaching record is at best dubious.

You can spend as much time as you like talking about “mentality” but if you’re not good enough you’re not good enough.

kaius
kaius

The funny part is think you got a million thumbs for being correct about something. No, people generally like your good football sense.

You get the thumbs down for being obnoxious and whiny about the most pathetic things, like being outraged that Ozil and Kolasinac had to miss a game because their lives had been threatened.

BigArse
BigArse

Hard to argue. If we get Bellerin/Holding/Tierney fit and still concede heavily, well that’s on Unai. We’ll see. And I suppose we can’t forget that 51 conceded was flattering to us last year due to Leno’s outstanding play.

Santori
Santori

I have to agree. And you are still getting thumb down by some people who refuse to see what’s in front of them.

I said as well we basically panic bought a band aid at best, a liability given his track record.

Too many people prefer to invent their own reality and make excuses for certain players whilst being extra harsh on others.

Case in point Torreira. People like to blame Granit for everything but in a spell over Xmas he cost us 4 or 5 goals with give aways and getting fleeced in critical areas in midfield leading.

Too many people like to put certain players under the microscope and then conveniently ignore faults of their favorites.

I’m not saying (of course) Mustafi or Granit are without fault but they are regular scapegoats (with Ozil) when others have equally under performed.

Goonereality
Goonereality

Not “We”, David – “You”! Everyone makes mistakes but an experienced defender like you shouldn’t make the kind of errors (not once, but twice) that you did at Anfield. Buck up, man.

Santori
Santori

Again don’t know why you get down voted for telling the truth.

Some people just prefer to see issues in certain players and give others a pass.

Shmokin'em
Shmokin'em

just came to see if the comments were gonna be shitty. But it looks like we have some classy fans here still. well played people its good to see the majority still have class. 🙂

canon fodder
canon fodder

When Luiz played well against Burnley, we went over the top with praise and now that he had a couple of slip ups, he is being talked about in the same vein as Mustafi. Let’s not forget that apart from defensive mistakes, we lose matches when we miss obvious scoring opportunities. Auba and Pepe were guilty of this and Ceballos had a very ineffective game. When we win, we win as one and when we lose, we lose as one team. Looking for scapegoats after a loss has become a very Arsenal thing. When we lost in Baku, we were quick to scapegoat Ozil, despite the fact that nearly everyone had a bad game. Let’s stick together and ‘big up’ our players when the going gets tough…

Flavoured Rice

Is he taking the fucking piss? All I want from him us to keep quiet and accept he messed up. Talk is cheap, and by god, can our players talk. Knuckle down and prove through doing that you are actually good enough for us

Goonereality
Goonereality

I think players need to do it on the pitch, not say it in the press. If they do it first, then talking about it afterwards doesn’t look daft, does it.

Flavoured Rice

This is Arsenal. When have our players ever talked big before a game and delivered ? People have a short memory as we talked big before the Europa League final also.

Santori
Santori

Don’t see why you are getting down voted for speaking the truth.

Some people live in fantasy land. If this was Mustafi they would be having a hissy fit.

Flavoured Rice

I say what I think and it’s no concern of mine if the comment is popular or not. I’ve come to the realisation over the years that the standards of our fans has dropped dramatically.

There is no shame to losing to Liverpool, but there is shame in not having a go at them and approaching the game with a we are likely to get battered mentality.

I don’t really have faith in Emery; I’m just early to join the Emery out brigade. Come a few months everyone will be signing from the same hymn sheet I’m sure.

Onenil
Onenil

The way I saw it. For the second goal Luiz is dead whatever he does. Salah has received the ball in the centre of the box. Luiz either watches him slot it or commits a foul. New rules he won’t get sent off but probably concede a penalty, which still needs to be scored.
On the 3rd one no excuses. Horrible error, overcommitted can’t even foul Salah or he is off after the earlier card.

Santori
Santori

Making excuses much.

He’s too tight to the player.

Simple as that.

OneBeatOff
OneBeatOff

Since the Arsecast Extra link is on the page I am going to comment on that…. Great podcast! I wished more people would debate as you did! Sure, there is an obvious affection you have for one another as opposed to two that absolutely hate each other, but a polite discourse IS possible. No matter who you are.

BigToks
BigToks

No shit….you think so buddy?

Santori
Santori

Here come the excuses.

1) we were unlucky – Utter rubbish. We never had good control of the game. We rode our luck if anything and they could have had more.

2) Season is still young – Maybe but continue like that and similar results beckon Nothing has changed at the back, just an older version of Mustafi.

3) Something about Luiz being better in a back 3. Frankly I would have preferred we had Monreal and Chambers flanking Sokratis in the back 3 given the mobility of the opponents..and that isn’t saying much.

Sure we were up against one of the best teams, but as they said themselves, wolves gave them more of a fright than us.

Sure the gaffer cocked up with the midfield diamond exposing us to crosses from wide areas but those two mistakes by Luiz should not happen at this level.

Twatsloch
Twatsloch

The season is too young to be writing anyone or anything off yet.

Goonereality
Goonereality

Quite.

Santori
Santori

I’m sure they said the same of Squillacci.

Experience man, a genius move, value for money.

Twatsloch
Twatsloch

Santori, from now on I have decided that you don’t exist.

How does that sit with everyone else? Wanna tag along? If you do it’ll mean Santori ceases to exist. I’m only a few seconds in but I can tell you already that it rules.

Santori
Santori

Some people still prefer to stick their heads up their own arse.

Others would prefer to blame Granit instead of seeing what is right in front of them, a panic buy band aid that is not solution for us.

Something about long term and a relatively untested teenage defender we paid over the odds for considered a great move.

Wake up.

We should have done proper business for the Cback.

Instead we tried to do it on the cheap again, prolong and over the hill Koscielny(Thankfully tried to do us a favour), over pay for a teenager judged over a narrow band width of games and then get distracted buying ( a good) but less priority at this point Tierny.

We had critical error by gaffer against Liverpool in midfield shape and we should have (IMO) gone to a back 3 frankly with Chambers and Monreal flanking Sokratis.

BUT it doesn’t take a way from the fact that Luiz out-Mustafied Mustafi. Two horrendous mistakes for a player of experience.

Sadly predictable.

Santori
Santori

Frankly Luiz stupidity aside which cost us (lets be clear and not obfuscate)..tactics were wrong and we did nothing to change it.

I mentioned hoping we would go 3 at the back because Liverpool will play from the flanks and bomb up their fullbacks. We had to stop them there.

……………………..Auba………………..Pepe…………………………..
……………………………….Cebellos…………………………………….
Kolasinac……………………………………………………………….AMN
……………………..Granit……………..GUendouzi……………………..
…………Monreal……………Sokratis……………..Chambers…………
…………………………………Leno……………………………………….

1) Nothing wrong IMO with Auba and Pepe up top. Some wanted Laca who protects the ball better but I feel in general Unai was correct to have two breaking in tandem (I mention after Burnley the last formation likely the one we would adopt up top)

Both players did decent first half but we struggled to find them second half and I felt they (due to unfamiliarity) did not work as well together in second half. One of them needed to be dropping to assert pressure on Fabinho.

2) Cebellos. Well he was thoroughly lost in this game. I felt he lacked an idea what he was suppose to do and ended up simply fighting fires.

Felt he needed to be given specific task to mark out and put pressure on Fabinho particularly when we kick the ball out from defense. We retreated too deep instead and invited pressure we were not equipped to deal with.

Something had to give. In this case Luiz.

3) Pressure on their fullbacks. For this reason the back 3 with Kolasinac and AMN push wider to challenge their fullbacks and prevent them from coming out as much.

4) BUT also regarding the fluid nature of the opponents, I felt it better we tandem team defending the flanks with Calum and AMN right and Monreal and Kolasinac left.

This could leave Sokratis somewhat isolated but that would have meant keeping a tight shape with Guendouzi and Granit and of course one of the strikers come down to give Cebellos a hand putting pressure on their DM when the Spaniard should ahve to drop in to help.

5) Aside from set up, I am increasingly irritated by the way we have to play out (predictably) from the back)

Often times, when Leno could have sent the ball out to either striker early, he dallied and we played to Liverpool’s hand (they are adept at high press did we not know?) toying with our luck near our goal. You don’t score playing around that area.

we need to be more nuanced. At first I thought last season maybe the team is over interpreting Unai’s tactical play and being too fastidious but now it seems clear it is a erroneous tactical fixation.

6) Changes – Usually the gaffer is quick to change and spot on.

BUT he sort of freezed this game. He needed to switch things around second half and if not when we conceded the second goal thanks to calamitous bob.

We put Torreira on late (ironically he got the goal when really he was there to hold the tide)

BUT Laca did not get on till 9 minutes left with no real change in fundamental set up.

7) Of course all this and we could have still been one a piece without two very preventable mistakes by a band aid player some prefer to imagine otherwise and give excuses when they give none to Mustafi. Same self inflicted problem in no part thanks to Summer Negligence in this critical area yet again.

Sancho
Sancho

Once a clown, always a clown…

Santori
Santori

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/49462678

I can’t stand McNulty but I can’t agree with him more.

Some positives but largely liability Luiz and poor decisions by the gaffer.

Many Arsenal fans need to wake up instead of making excuses for Luiz, blaming Granit conveniently. I thought midfield was resolute tracking players all game but if you need to pin individual error on any one, it clearly wasn’t Mustafi or Granit.

We are still in favourable position but this can erode very quickly.

What we need to do is get it right next game which will not be easy with Spurts.

Hoping Unai will inflect on his mistakes and get it right quickly. Everyone has an off day and the gaffer for most parts has been spot on tactically and quick to change things when they are not working.

Like to see the front 3 and Cebellos at work against Spurs. No easy solutions in defense which is our own making this summer.

We may also lose Monreal (which I prefer kept till January and Tierny)

BUT clearly he has to also make adjustments to the way we play beyond selection :

1)Playing out from the back needs to be more nuanced and less emphasised. Its far too predictable.

2) We take too many touches. We need to be far more efficient with passing. Particularly (and here is where Granit but not just him is somewhat culpable) in the middle of the park where we tend to pass meaningless short passes. In part this also is due to lack of movement higher up or lack of balance. There’s no one issue, many little things need to be tweaked. BUT passing needs to be far more efficient.

Backline is a bit of a mess.

Koscielny was NO solution for us and it was inexplicable why we even felt we should be keeping him. He did us a favour but we failed to capitalise.

Liability Luiz is no improvement on Mustafi.

Chambers whom some like to trump up also has question marks. We are not stronger in the air without Mustafi. On the flip side, Calum has seemed to have worked out some of the positional issues he had pre-season although still difficult and too early to fully tell.

Holding is injured still, Saliba is frankly no (immediate) solution and a risk.

Either way there are problems back there we will have to endure through yet another season and get the best we can out of the limitations again.

Patrik Ljungberg
Patrik Ljungberg

Where do you find the energy to recycle your old posts over and over again?

Go out and play.

Dave
Dave

Just play Luiz in a back three.

eric
eric

Well, looks like David Luiz is no fool! He caught on quick! Been here only a couple weeks and already sniffed out our defensive mentality issues…