Kos and Vinai go in two footed on UEFA

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Laurent Koscielny says UEFA should not have given Azerbaijan the responsibility of hosting the Europa League final given the country has no diplomatic relations with another country within its jurisdiction.

Yesterday, Arsenal confirmed that Henrikh Mkhitaryan will not travel to Baku for Wednesday’s final because the midfielder’s status as a high-profile Armenian could put him in danger. Tensions between Azerbaijan and Armenia continue to simmer due to a dispute over the Nagorno-Karabakh region.

UEFA responded by stating the decision was a ‘personal’ one and that a plan had been put in place to ensure the player’s stay in Azerbaijan was safe.

“I am not very happy,” club captain Koscielny told BBC 5Live at yesterday’s media day.

“First because we need to leave one player here, because he can’t play in the final.

“I think Uefa needs to know about the different problems they can have with the politics in the country. When one country has a problem with another they should not give the final to that country.

“For us it is difficult because we want to have Micki with us. He is an important player for us.”

Mkhitaryan took to social media to air his disappointment. Later in the day, managing director Vinai Venkatesham, speaking at the FT Business of Football summit expressed his annoyance and promised that the club would demand a face-to-face meeting with UEFA officials.

Earlier this week, the club and UEFA traded open letters which also tackled the ridiculous logistical issues that Arsenal and Chelsea fans are facing just to get to Baku.

“It is not our decision or Henrikh’s but one we made together,” he said.

“We don’t feel he can travel to a major European final and that’s extraordinarily sad. He has had that opportunity taken away from him, one that is a rare opportunity for any player.

“We’re losing the opportunity of having him to help us win a major trophy. It’s an extraordinary shame. All we can really do is make our point very clearly to Uefa. After the final we will explain to them why it’s unacceptable and must avoid it happening to Arsenal or any other club ever again.”

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Ozenal
Ozenal

UEFA’s reply: “$$$$ $$$ $$$ $$$$$$ $$$ $$$$ $$$$”

assistantref
assistantref

Well, it’s basically our reply too. It’s why we aren’t actually doing anything about it besides promising to send a strongly worded letter afterwards.

LJ_gooner
LJ_gooner

The $$$ that the winning team gets is legal, above the board, and goes to the team’s coffers.
The $$$ that officials may get for awarding a final to unlikely countries would not be so and mostly going to individual pockets.
So a huge difference there.

Ozenal
Ozenal

Love how they package the decision to hold it in Baku as footballing diversity. But then turning this into an exclusionary one, then turning a deaf ear to those they excluded, followed by PR’ing it using ignorance.

Well done UEFA.

Emmanuel
Emmanuel

Wonder what would’ve happened if a team from Armenia qualified to play in the final

Francesc
Francesc

Wonder what would have happened if Messi was to play the final

A Different George
A Different George

Amnesty International describes Azerbaijan’s staging of international football matches as an attempt to “sportswash its appalling human rights record.” It’s much worse than just the conflict with Armenia:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/22/amnesty-international-azerbaijan-human-rights-football

Moxrex
Moxrex

I am surprised what is all this noise about since the Romanian athletes have been visiting this country. Alot of US, British, .

25 Armenian athletes participated in the European games in 2015.

https://www.economist.com/europe/2019/05/21/the-footballer-caught-up-in-armenias-conflict-with-azerbaijan

We have to remember that the two countries exchanged blows in 2016 when 200 people died. So, it is better for Miki to stay home because violence and football sometimes go hand in hand. (IMO)

I hope our players don’t make any statements which turn the crowd against us in a foreign country. Since recently, we have seen them crumble when the crowd was hostile.

Stuey
Stuey

I would have preferred the use of the phrase “UEFA are just a bunch of c*nts” a few times in their interviews.

Hantal
Hantal

Sokratis should have done the interview- I’d imagine he’s quite direct

Cacho
Cacho

Arsenal’s response should’ve just been a GIF of “wanking motion”

David M
David M

So much for “Kick it Out”

Pkub
Pkub

Absolute shambles from UEFA.
Now waiting for Kim Jong-Un to put in a bid to host next ‘European’ final in North Korea.
At the end of the day all UEFA & FIFA care about is $$$. Sure, it’ll be all forgotten about soon enough, huh?

Gus Caesar
Gus Caesar

Yep, by most people. And that’s the problem, it’s a storm in a teacup to UEFA. The only way that things will genuinely change is if people pressure them at the right time, continuously and collectively.

Ad-0
Ad-0

Pyongyang is easier to get to

Fengunner
Fengunner

How about the fans get a petition going to voice our disgust at this action by the supposedly “fair” uefa?

Also, perhaps a boycott of UEFA ALL away games by our supporters next season.

Tiny
Tiny

Or boycott all companies that sponsor UEFA. That would really hurt their pockets

Mpls
Mpls

Official UEFA Europa League Partners:
FEDEX
Amstel
KIA motors
Enterprise Rent-a-car
Hankook Tyres

https://www.uefa.com/partners/

Champions League:
Nissan
Playstation
Gazprom
Lays/Pepsi
Santander
Mastercard
Hotels.com / Expedia Group
Heineken

Mpls
Mpls

Heineken and Amstel are of course InBev / Anheuser Busch.
Best way to stick it to them is to drink local beers- and tell them you’re doing so.

Hankook: Laufenn, Aurora / RouteMaster, Kingstar / Road Fit

KIA is Hyundai Motor Group

Gus Caesar
Gus Caesar

It was a ludicrous decision to choose Baku for the final and we’re seeing the consequences of it now – fans who can’t see the team they love through the ridiculous travel demands or not being given visas and a player who can’t play because of politics. This is wrong, absolutely.

But the decision to play the final in Baku was taken a long time ago and was partly the fault of our very own Chief Executive at the time. As ever with these kind of things, they only gain traction among the fans and with the media when it becomes a reality for them personally and that’s usually when it’s too late to do anything about it. That annoys me because, put simply, it’s being driven by self-interest. If there were genuine interest in this, why didn’t people raise issue with it to the same extent when it was announced? Why weren’t people demanding meetings with UEFA then or even earlier this season? People are asking ‘would this be the same if it were Messi missing out?’. I would ask, would people be up in arms about this to the same extent if it were any other non-English club suffering the same consequences?

I’m not sure whether it was feasible for the venue to be rearranged when the semi-finals were over. I personally think that there should be 2 or 3 venues on stand-by and the decision is only made based on the two teams in the final. But that’s not the system we’ve ever had to the best of my knowledge. I think the best that we can hope for is that the lessons are learnt from this and (maybe i’m being naive on this?) that all fans to engage at the right times when such ludicrous decisions are made in future.

Vonnie
Vonnie

Nobody knows how Gazidis voted in that decision. He may well have opposed Baku as a venue, but was in the minority. Don’t make things up, there’s enough of that in the media.

Gus Caesar
Gus Caesar

I haven’t made up a word so stop trying to twist what people have written. I have no idea who voted for it, nobody does because the voting is never released. What is released is that it was the collective decision of the Executive Committee. And Gazidis was part of that. Hence he is partly responsible for the decision because he was part of the Committee that made it.

As an aside, if you genuinely think Gazidis strongly opposed it and Arsenal are just not mentioning it that now through forgetfulness, then you don’t know how these things work and you most certainly don’t know Gazidis.

Twatsloch
Twatsloch

Some backbone shown by Kos and Vinai at least.

Savage
Savage

Let’s not forget that Qatar is going to host a World Cup Finals – the country at odds with Saudi Arabia and most of its neighbours because of its support for terrorism

Eric Blair
Eric Blair

Saudi and Qatar, in disagreement over who funds the most terrorism.

This is happening all the time now, FIFA were lucky Ukraine didn’t qualify for the World Cup last year. Would Israel be welcome next time? Qatar could be in conflict with a qualifying nation by 2022. What about the 2020 host countries, and what about the ridiculous carbon footprint of it all? We should remember however that this is nothing new for football authorities, they’ve always been corrupt and have held World Cups in countries with brutal military dictatorships.

Mike1
Mike1

The fact that it happened for this event, and has happened in previous events, doesn’t mean that it inevitably follows that it has set an immovable precedent.
The fact that the geopolitical dynamics are increasingly complex, doesn’t mean that we can’t use a moral compass and that contingency plans aren’t in place.
Throwing your arms up and bemoaning difficult realities is an excuse for inertia.

Danger Mouse
Danger Mouse

The idea that Saudi Arabia is opposed to terrorism is rather hilarious. Just saying.

Hantal
Hantal

After the event is pointless

Kwame Ampadu Down
Kwame Ampadu Down

It is in some ways pointless after the event……but to be fair to the club…..if the club feel there is a concern over Mkhi’s safety (& I believe they are right there is) then lashing out at UEFA / Azerbaijan now might lead to safety concerns for the rest of the squad / backroom team / Arsenal fans heading over there.
I think it is hard to listen to Arsenal’s response & not think it’s a bit weak but it is a very difficult situation they are in.
The whole thing is absolutely shit.

Daniel
Daniel

If it would at least make uefa consider more carefully future host’s then it wouldn’t be pointless,but then we all know they don’t care

arsenal74
arsenal74

Great way to build up public hostility towards us in Baku 🙁
I am pragmatic over this issue, it’s not like Mikhi was going to be our saviour in the final, then why create all this unproductive and unnecessary noise before our most important game for the past 4-5 seasons ?
Much like protesting refferee over a yellow card there’s absolutely nothing to gain from this and a lot to lose.

Mark
Mark

Imagine if the ref sent a player off just based on his nationality…

Okester
Okester

So your argument is “If something is unjust keep your mouth shut as it could get worse”…? Genius and not at all cowardly…

eddy
eddy

Some people’s approach to life is, if it doesn’t benefit me, why do it?

Kid getting beaten up on the streets by a thug … why help? What if I get injured? Nothing to gain from this (except maybe thanks from the kid), but a lot to lose (maybe lose a tooth or a lot of blood).

I can see where arsenal74 is coming from, but I absolutely detest such cowardice

arsenal74
arsenal74

it’s not cowardice, we should have used other channels to express our discontent not through players who can be easily targeted during the upcoming game. Their minds should be focused at football now and not at events which exceeds their influence and capabilities. Especially as the deed is done .

Mike1
Mike1

Yes, why not keep quiet and not protest at an obvious wrong. Doing so may upset someone who has distasteful views and an overly-sensitive disposition.
Can’t be having that, can we.

Caffeinatedsteve
Caffeinatedsteve

How about this:
– Arsenal & Chelsea play a ‘friendly’ wth their first teams at Wembley an hour or two before Baku kickoff
– Both teams send a reserve squad to Baku. Which coincidentally and conveniently just happen to play out the same result as the ‘friendly’

Not technically a boycott, so UEFA can’t penalise. Loads of fans get to see the final at Wembley. Mkhi gets to play and we have collectively stuck it to UEFA

Would never happen. Would love to see it though

Ronny
Ronny

Totally radical but I dig it. Would have a slap to UEFA’ S face but given that it would undermine UEFA’ s authority, both would be punished harshly.

Bob
Bob

Better to do that and not play out the reserve squad game in Baku, to avoid getting fucked by the match fixing rules!

Hddh
Hddh

If you don’t like it you should have found a different hobby long ago

Thierry Bergkamp
Thierry Bergkamp

How exactly does Uefa ensure a players safety?

Mike1
Mike1

Bring a box of yellow cards and referee whistles

Mpls
Mpls

Perhaps they meant INsure, they’d just pay us and the family off under the table if something bad were to happen.

You know, the way they do everything.

Twatsloch
Twatsloch

Aren’t there any other corrupt shit holes UEFA could move this to so they could make up for the loss of the dodgy dealings done with Azerbaijan?

Francesc
Francesc

Would be immensely proud of the club if we boycott the final

Jason daniels
Jason daniels

We need mkhi quick attack. Now we stuck with over payed under playing ozil 🙁 f..k uefa i personally feel as thou eufa need to realise this sport onkt exist because of the fans. If u cannot keep fans happy then we should boycott this match as gooners

Santori
Santori

Mkhi is no big loss.

This is a deliberate ploy to distract simple minded fools from the fact we don’t have a Technical director in place.

DB10s Air Miles
DB10s Air Miles

What are you talking about? What is this mad conspiracy you’ve come up with? Are you seriously suggesting that the club have only made this an issue to detract from the fact that a backroom appointment hasn’t been made?

Santori
Santori

Distraction.

What we need is a Technical Director to replace old Hit and Msislintat.

What’s going on there.

We should be trying to lure Luis Campos from Lille not bringing in a relative greenhorn in Edu so Sanlehi can feel less threatened.

Plus Venkatasham seems to lack clout over Raul.

Don’t quite like the dynamics. Would have preferred Gazidis frankly calling the shots.

Crash Fistfight
Crash Fistfight

You’re not fooling me. The real santori doesn’t use a capital S.

Goonerink
Goonerink

Not to be cynical or whatever but with the slightest possibility that uefa bans City from the CL next season, let’s hope that laying it on thick about us having to leave mhki out makes them donate city’s place to us if, God forbid, we could of done with mkhi in Baku.

assistantref
assistantref

“All we can really do is make our point very clearly to Uefa. After the final we will explain to them why it’s unacceptable and must avoid it happening to Arsenal or any other club ever again.”

No, that isn’t all we can do. You’re not willing to do anything that would actually matter, but that doesn’t mean we couldn’t have. We could have refused to play the game there, and we could have called on Chelsea to stand with us, which they might actually do in the circumstances because it would shame them as much as UEFA if they accepted a win by default.

Yes, I realize that Arsenal is ruin by cowards who never for a minute would have considered taking that kind of principled stand. But that doesn’t mean it’s impossible. Vinai is just blowing smoke up everyone’s ass by acting like we have no choice but to roll over and go along with it.