Napoli still want Dave Ospina

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Italian publication Il Mattino claims David Ospina will make a permanent move to Napoli when his loan deal ends this month.

Arsenal had negotiated an obligatory purchase clause in the event of the Colombian making 25 appearances for the Serie A last season.

In the end, he was fielded 24 times – leading to speculation that he wasn’t wanted at the San Paolo – but it appears Carlo Ancelotti has been impressed enough to consider as continued back up to Alex Meret.

The two clubs are now trying to thrash out a deal for the 30-year-old that may or may not match the previously mooted €3.5 million.

Ospina still has a year on his contract at the Emirates so even if this falls through, there’s a chance we could still get cash for him elsewhere. It’s usually about this time of year that he’s linked with a gazillion Turkish clubs.

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Double98
Double98

Poor old Dave – his biggest crime is not looking like a Goalie. He had a great record for us – he is a moneyball keeper.
He’d be a great number two.

Papa Large, big shot in North London
Papa Large, big shot in North London

He wasn’t half as bad as people make out but he had a bad habit of forgetting where his line was and getting out muscles. Good number 2 for sure but we fucked up badly letting the big Pole go permanently.

Double98
Double98

Just to compare him to our direct rivals

Ospina Premier league Record – (over a few seasons)
Played 29 – Goals conceded 23 – Cleansheets 12 – Saves 77

Kepa Premier league Record – (over last season)
Played 34 – Coals Conceded 39 – Cleansheets 14 – Saves 81

Lloris Premier league Record – (over last season)
Played 33 – Coals Conceded 33 – Cleansheets 12 – Saves 101

A Different George
A Different George

Interesting statistics–Ospina conceded fewer goals but also faced fewer shots on target requiring saves. I can only conclude that our defenders were better. I think this is what is called (both in literature and in religion) a mystery.

moonie
moonie

Finally somebody talking about clean coal

A Different George
A Different George

Often made me nervous, and almost always this was not justified. Very good anticipation, off his line quickly, very good (but short) distribution, good on penalties (at least for Colombia). His brother-in-law would make an excellent replacement for Ramsey.

SharpasFc
SharpasFc

In my opinion he’s a really good keeper, but if he wanted a move away I would not blame him.

goonero
goonero

They want him, they just don’t seem to want him bad enough to pay actual money for him…

Goontang
Goontang

Whens the last time we got decent money for a player anyways mate… seems more important just to get wages off the book rather than selling players for profit.

Maul Person
Maul Person

Ox… and I don’t think we did too badly with Theo, considering how often he was injured.

But I take the point that that number is significantly lower than it should be.

John C
John C

Difficult to say we got the very best out of either deal as i’m personally of the opinion that the replacement must also be factored in and we can’t say we’ve got better as a result of either leaving.

Personally I don’t care who we sell as long as we become better as a result, i’m all for selling Aubameyang for instance to buy 2 proper wide men who’ll transform our team, I would be against selling him to buy a defender though as that seems a backward step

goonero
goonero

We never really replaced either Ox or Theo, hence why we have no natural wingers in the squad anymore.

I think they both went someways to paying for Aubameyang and rebalancing our squad at a time when we moved to the wingback system and we didn’t “need” wingers who couldn’t also (Theo) or at least didn’t want to (Ox) defend.

We fleeced Liverpool for the Ox and got as much for Theo as you’d could hope given he was in an Ozil-type situation; surplus to requirements and on big money

John C
John C

I don’t think we fleeced Liverpool for The Ox, i think it was about the going rate but as I said they weren’t replaced properly so on balance for us they were bad deals

Goontang
Goontang

Would be good to get off our books. But we may struggle to field a first 11 by the looks of players being linked away in the past 24 hours.

Sounds like a solid 9 on the poometer about xhaka to inter, but auba there could be some heads turned due to the money.

Something tells me we all might be ruing the day Usmanov didnt get a seat on the board. Being self sufficient is all well and good, but I love fucking trophies better and not seeing sp*rs in the champions league final even better. fucking hate kroenke with a passion.

Rich
Rich

We 100% need shot of Ozil, even if if means giving him a free.

That would give us £75 million to reinvest in that position over the next 5 years, that’s a £50million transfer fee, and a £96,000 p/w 5 yr contract.

Same with Mkhitaryan, even if we only got £10mill? That’s £54million we’d have to reinvest over the next 5 years, if his £170,000 p/w wages that have been reported are correct.

If it was going to cost us £10mill a season to renew Ramsey? That’s another £50million over the next 5 years, that will be available to replace him.

Welbeck+Cech+Lichtsiner+Ospina+Jenkinson are reportedly earning £360,000 a week between them, that’s £93.6million over 5years, surely we can invest that money more wisely…

Since Kroenke isn’t going to invest his own cash, we need to generate more cash flow by purging our over inflated wage bill, we’ve streamlined our squad a little over the last 2years, 2 seasons ago we had 38 first team players over 21 on our squad list including loaned out players, it’s now 29, but we need to shrink our squad further, there’s no value in having one of the worlds best academies, if you’re going to have a blockage towards the first team.

We’re a very good Europe league team, with an elite champions league team wage bill.

I don’t have much faith in our recruiting department now Sven has left, but it won’t matter who our manager is if they aren’t on their game, it’s clear our route back is through developing a young team, whilst generating cash flow through moving on big earners, streamlining our squad and moving for young and hungry players on lower wages

thw14
thw14

Thanks for the math, Rich. Kind of rare to have it neatly laid out like that in the comments.

General point taken – we shouldn’t be expecting transfer fees on a lot of these mental contracts.

But, out of curiosity, why have you projected Ozils contract out for 5 years, when transfermarkt has it ending in 2021?

Rich
Rich

Because if we keep Ozil for the remainder of his 2yr deal? He’s likely to leave for free anyway, and when he leaves, providing our revenue hasn’t decreased… then that money will move onto our books and become available for something else.

So in giving him a free this summer, we just bring that decision forward 2 years, we move a player on who we’re no longer extracting any type of value out of, and we can then use those previously allocated funds to fund a younger and hungrier player over the next 5 year period of our overall revenue.

But that’s not where the margins stop, where we’ll struggle to get any transfer fee for Ozil because of his over inflated wages, if we buy a younger player on lower wages over 4-5 years? Then providing we improve that player? His value will increase, whereas Ozil’s value is rock bottom and his stock is likely to continue to decrease, and we will likely end up over a barrel where we have to loan Ozil out and contribute a large portion of his wages.

Coming to a mutually beneficial ending of Ozil contract now, saves us going through what I see as a bad situation getting inevitably much worse

John C
John C

Whilst the maths makes sense to offload those two I don’t think Ozil or Mkhitaryan are going anywhere to be honest and i think we’d be better off selling Aubameyang and Iwobi to reshape our attack as we’re more likely to get proper fees.

rosicky01
rosicky01

still halucinating!!!!!

A Different George
A Different George

I don’t know how many times you miss this point: we are bound to pay Ozil for the remainder of his contract unless he agrees otherwise. We can “give him a free” in the sense of not asking for a transfer fee–but he must still agree to go. We must–must–pay him the agreed wages if he chooses to stay at Arsenal.

Rich
Rich

No I completely get your point….

But….. if we make it perfectly clear to Ozil he’s not welcome, will no longer be considered for selection, and he is free to terminate his contract and find another club, then due to us not requiring any transfer fee, he’ll likely get similar wages elsewhere with a chunky signing on fee to boot.

He could of course choose to hang around London doing just enough to ensure his cheques don’t bounce, but for brand Ozil it would be the ultimate humiliation.

The board need to make it clear that Ozil has no chance of outlasting Emery, and he also has zero future and zero playing opportunities.

Then if that doesn’t work? Go public with it, and let the fans know he’s simply hanging around cashing cheques in spite of the fact he’s been told his prospects of playing time are slim to none.

I sense that Ozil’s support amongst his more ardent supports is now beginning to wane, most of us have long acknowledged his best days are long behind him, he’s finished as a top level player, and we should use every dirty trick in the book to get shot of him

John C
John C

Seriously, Özil has no shame. He doesn’t even turn up for away matches, he isn’t going anywhere unless we pay him off.

John C
John C

And that’s the point isn’t it, as much as we want Ozil and Mkhitaryan to go the savings won’t fund replacements, in fact it’ll probably cost us a substantial amount. The remainder of Ozil’s contract is worth about £36.5m and that doesn’t buy a replacement, neither does ridding ourselves of Mkhitaryan’s wages.

Like it or not but our best way to fund purchases would be to accept that those two are staying and they’ll have to fight it out as our No.10 whilst either one of Lacazette or Auba will have to go. If you add in a sale of our non-scoring, non-assisting left winger, we could probably pull in around £100m and we might be able to replaced their goals and assists with 2 new wide players that would rebalance our squad

Rich
Rich

Why would we look to sell the leagues joined golden boot winner? Or our player of the season?

Neither player are a problem right now, our problem is the lightweight, inconsistent and overpaid Ozil, and in some part Mkhitaryan, who I certainly believe we could sign a more suitable replacement at a reasonable price, and on much lower wages.

Emery has publicly stated what he wants, and where our problem are.
He was asking for wingers in January
He’s twice stated that in the PL “technique without physicality doesn’t work’
And also made a few comments about investing heavily in the defence.
Two of those pleas are clearly aimed at Ozil+Mkhitaryan, and the board need to back Emery all the way on this.

They need to move on players he doesn’t want, and get him players that fit into what he’s trying to do, and that means midfielders that can press, and fast and aggressive wide players who can dribble, cross and put the ball in the back of the net.

People wanted us to do things differently and go in another direction, Emery clearly knows what he wants and what he doesn’t…. and now it’s up to the club to back him all the way

John C
John C

We wouldn’t look to sell either of our strikers, it’s just being realistic.

Ozil is on £350k a week, even if we give him away no ones paying him that. Realistically how much would the kind of team that’ll take him be able to pay him? Honestly i’d be surprised if they’d pay £100k a week, that means we’ll have to pay him £250k a week to play for someone else, that’s £25m over the remainder of his contract. That’s not good business and doesn’t make us better, same goes with Mhkytaryan.

The mistake’s been made and now is the time to use our brain and some logic. Selling one of our strikers, along with our non scoring Nigerian winger, would bring in circa £100m in transfer fees and take a good £250k a week off the wage bill which can go on reshaping our attack. That seems a much better bit of business that receiving £0 on transfer fees and subsidising circa £15m a year on wages

Caligunner
Caligunner

To Rich

So you want to create a hostile environment for MO and HM? You want the other players to see this and play in this atmosphere?

Which imaginary club is going to give ozil or HM that type of wage over the next 2 years min? That they would also want to play for?

Freeing up wages doesn’t increase the transfer fund iirc. So getting no fee for them will only exacerbate the problems within the club this summer.

Same thing with what has happened with Ramsey. His wage doesn’t effect the transfer fund it only makes it a problem trying to find a quality replacement for him. Saying we can find some low transfer fee replacement for MO and HM is a dream.

Try to play a PR game against them isn’t going to do any good. It makes arsenal look stupid for not wanting to honor a contract. It shows future players that arsenal can’t be trusted.

Rich
Rich

Yes I think aggressively moving players on who we don’t want, will send the message that we no longer tolerate and reward players who aren’t performing….. I think it’s a fantastic idea that is long overdue at our club.

Freeing up wages does increase our available funds, it’s basic accounting…. when you stop using money for something, providing your revenue hasn’t decreased? It then becomes available for something else.

I don’t know what it would have cost us to keep Rambo in wages+signing on fees? But £12million a year over 4 yrs based on figures quoted, doesn’t seem too out of whack.

That’s £48million over 4 years, that means instead of using that money to keep an injury prone player who’ll hold little to no value, you could potential buy a player for £30,000,000, paying them £4,500,000 a season on a 4 Yr deal, and that will also cost you £48,000,000 over 4 years, and at which point the same player will hold exactly the same value as Rambo would have at the end of his contract, which is zero.

You could also renew that players contract, but younger players earning less hold higher value, the reason we’ve Become rubbish sellers, is that we’ve been paying too many rubbish players over inflated wages

John C
John C

I’m all for aggressively getting rid, but will it make us better?

No, and it doesn’t really release enough funds to replace them either, that’s exactly why they were given the contracts they were given, because it was cheaper than buying a replacement!

EZD
EZD

Rich – your maths are way off, because Ozil and Mkhi both only have two years left on their contracts. You seem to assuming that their current contacts will be extended until they are both 35!

We will pay them a joint £56 million before their contracts end (assuming they are on 350 and 190 a week).

Still significant if it’s moved off the wage bill, but way off the saving you are suggesting.

Rich
Rich

My maths are spot on… your just assuming that if Ozil+Mkhitaryan leave in 2 years when their contracts expire? That we’re going to keep paying them after they’ve left…. which would be insane

Dave Cee
Dave Cee

€3.5M? Wow. What a bargain. I.d be happy enough just to keep him if that is the best offer

Kwame Ampadu Down
Kwame Ampadu Down

Ospina has been available for a minimal price in modern terms & he himself has been looking to leave for 2 years…and yet no one wanted to buy him. So either the entire football world somehow lost heir minds and can’t see that this is an amazing bargain……….or he simply isn’t as good as many on here believe he is.
Just take the money & move on.

Pablo pomreas
Pablo pomreas

What the fuck does it mean to “thrash out” a deal haha

Papa Large, big shot in North London
Papa Large, big shot in North London

Toughest bloke I’ve seen take the pitch, the number of times he got knocked down and got up again puts a God awful song in your head.

I’m sure the club has a decent plan for a number 2 in place for next season.

Geefive
Geefive

He was our WWF wrestler. The stage antics when getting laid out were always entertaining. hahaha!

Lettra
Lettra

If they want it
they should put a ring on it.

Santori
Santori

We’ve been rubbish bringing in money these days.

Raul and Mslintat have been poor.

I’d just let him go.

You can’t even give away players like Elneny and Jenkinson. Too many players of no value hanging around.

Geocross

His greatest mistake at Arsenal was not being taller and having a short neck, for what I could read everywhere. After that I admit sometimes he was a bit soft with his hands and his tendency to stay so on the line.

Crash Fistfight
Crash Fistfight

Or behind it.

Kartik Iyer
Kartik Iyer

Why the hell only 3.5 mil??? If someone like Keppa can cost 75 mil..if chelsea sold Petr cech to us for 10 mil at his age…this guy should also cost around that much as he is younger than when we bought cech and is actually a good keeper and the market inflation.