Saturday, May 25, 2024

Report: Arsenal 0-2 Liverpool (inc goals)

Arsenal: Ramsdale, White, Saliba, Gabriel, Kiwior, Jorginho, Rice, Odegaard, Saka, Nelson, Havertz

Subs: Raya, Cedric, Walters, Sousa, Nwaneri, Smith Rowe, Nketiah, Trossard, Martinell

Arsenal’s FA Cup hopes ended at the first hurdle, after a 2-0 defeat to Liverpool at the Emirates this afternoon.

Mikel Arteta made changes to the side that lost to Fulham last weekend, handing Kai Havertz a start up front with Gabriel Jesus injured, while Jorginho and Reiss Nelson were also added to the starting line-up.

The Gunners had a good early chance after a brilliant Aaron Rasmdale pass to Nelson, over the top of the Liverpool defence. He was one on one with the keeper and had a chance to lob it over him, but tried to go around and the angle was too tight as he shot into the side-netting.

Odegaard created for Nelson next, but his shot deflected wide for a corner, before Havertz tested Alisson from distance but the keeper was equal to it. Carelessness at the back provided more opportunities for Arsenal to test the Liverpool defence, Odegaard’s shot the best of them as it crashed off the bar and away to safety.

It was a frenetic start, after which the game calmed down a bit with both sides enjoying spells of possession without too much in the way of chances. Nunez headed wide from a corner, Saka had a pop which was easy for Alisson, and after good pressure from Rice, Odegaard created again for Havertz who needed toi hit it first time but took a couple of touches and was crowded out.

Rice had a shot from distance but it didn’t trouble the keeper, but White’s shot a few moments later certainly did, forcing Alisson into a good save. From the resulting corner Havertz got up well, but headed wide when he shiould have hit the target. The German had another chance after we won the ball high up the pitch, but took too long again and fired straight at the keeper from a wider angle than the shot needed to be from.

At the other end, there was a moment of real danger when Alexander-Arnold overlapped and hit the bar wiith a cracker of shot, and the teams went in level at the break.

There were no changes from either manager at half-time, and Gomez had to defend well against Saka after he got in behind early on. Gomez and Jones shot over for the visitors as they doubled their shot count, showing more as an attacking force. Nunez was next to have a go, flashing a shot not far beyond the top corner, and the Uruguayan was denied in our box by a brilliant Saliba tackle.

At the other end, there was another great chance for Arsenal after a clever free kick played Havertz in behind, he stood it up, Gabriel missed a point blank header and then Saka hooked it over from close range.

Jurgen Klopp made two changes in the 58th minute, sending on Jota and Gravenberch for Mac Allister and Gakpo. Havertz was again involved down the left, his cross deflected almost caught Alisson out, it came to Saka at the back post and he put it over the bar rather than put it back into the middle.

Mikel Arteta made his first change in the 62nd minute, when Gabriel Martinelli replaced Nelson. Saliba picked up a yellow card for a foul on Jota, Martinelli caused Alexander-Arnold problems but couldn’t deliver a good corner, and Nunez played an awful pass when he could have presented Diaz with a one on one with Ramsdale in our box.

Saka curled a shot over from outside the box, Liverpool made two more changes bringing on a couple of youngsters for Elliott and Jones, before Ramsdale made an outstanding save to deny Diaz. From the resulting corner, Jota outjumped Saliba to head off the bar, and Nunez whacked a shot wide.

After Odegaard was penalsed for a foul deep in our half, Liverpool took the lead when Alexander-Arnold’s free kick was headed into his own net by Kiwior. 0-1.

Arteta sent on Eddie Nketiah for Jorginho as we looked to get back into it, and with three minutes to go put on Smith Rowe and Trossard for Havertz and Kiwior. Nunez headed an Odegaard free kick just wide of his own post, a couple of corners came to nothing, and at the death Liverpool secured the win when Diaz fired into the top corner after we committed men forward and they broke upfield. 0-2.

That made it a third successive defeat and leaves Mikel Arteta with plenty to do during the two week break.

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Henkamp

Typical. Another year of exiting the domestic cups early. Probably another season of nothingness.

And oh, this treatment of ESR is starting to get really irritating.

Riku

Esr didn’t look that up for it once he got on , standing off Their player in the corner , jogging back ..compared to Martinelli energy

GoonerJust

What an irony. Nelson, Oodegard, Havertz (3): we should have s scored 5 before half time but ironically Kiwior scored against the run of play. The goal was unfortunate, it was the failure to score which is troubling. I didn’t feel the pain anymore with these defeats.

dr Strange

Pool didn’t score against the run of play. They were taking over as we ran out of steam in the second half again.

Hopeful Gooner

It’s really flabbergasting how we were on top of the league just a few games ago, and now we look so average and easily beatable. It’s all well saying you want goals across the whole team, but when nobody is scoring then we are screwed. Sign a proper goal machine, otherwise at this rate we’ll struggle to even qualify for the CL this year.

Berlingoon

Why are we easily beatable when it took an own goal for Liverpool to score?

Hopeful Gooner

Because lately we concede goals (including this own goal) and just don’t score any…simple maths

Paul

Let’s not forget their best two players were out.

Paul

Actually one.

Berlingoon

Let’s not forget Partey, Timber, Tomi, Vieira, Zinchenko and Jesus were out too.

goonshow

Zinchenko being out is probably a bonus, given his recent form!

Berlingoon

Yeah, we have been fantastic against Fulham without him. It was absolutely clear to see that he was the problem in the other games.

Sagebrush

Exactly, we need a proper centre forward

Me2

Or a competent manager.

SG_Gooner

Or a marginally better manager will do.

Arteta can sit on the bench, 2nd row

Blaise

Arsenal, put the ball inside the net. That’s what counts!

Sagebrush

Harvetz is too slow to take shots, his reaction time at this level is not good

goonshow

It’s entirely a confidence thing – you can almost see the cogs spinning in his brain as he second guesses himself when he’s in a shooting position.

Chris

That wasn’t against the run of play, Liverpool were dominant at that point. But yeah, you don’t score you won’t win.

goonshow

We had almost dozen chances and couldn’t score. The Scouse had a handful and scored two. Therein lies the difference.

Gunnerzaurus

He only had three minutes to “get into it”

I’ve seen Havertz do this for a majority of a handful of games and stay on the pitch and continue to get selected.

Flash

Yeah, but at least Havertz works his socks off when on the field. Even if I really like ESR – I hardly remember a game when he had at least 2 tackles in 90 minutes.

Rocastle 7

ESR never gets the chance to play 90 minutes

Adebanjo

That’s because he was out injured towards the end of the 2021/22 season, a season where he got 10 goals I think and didn’t return until the middle of the 2022/23 season. Since his return from injury he has hardly gotten a look at from Arteta. He can’t build his fitness or any real confidence that way.

MGM

The fact is Arsenal need goals – and ESR can provide them. As an Arsenal fan, I really want Havertz to work out, but his shots yesterday were either too tame or delayed, allowing Liverpool to regroup. Again, it’s difficult to get an all round player – just look at Trent Alexander Arnold. His defending isn’t that good, but he keeps on playing because of the strengths he brings to the attacking third. I believe Rice, and our backline are sufficient to offset any defensive flaws that ESR may have. And who says ESR can’t track back? He may not… Read more »

RockyRog58

Bollocks

Henkamp

If I was getting put into games with only 5 minutes to go all the time, I would be less than enthusiastic, too!

LGfromNYC

He came on in the 88th minute!

Johnny 4 Hats

I find it really hard to get too exercised about the fa cup.

And it could have been so much worse. We could have drawn!

Palace at home next.

Time to get the season back on track.

COYG!!!

Hamburg Gooner

You really hate Arsenal, don´t you?

Johnny 4 Hats

I just don’t really see the utility of going deep in the fa cup.

It would be nice to win a trophy but we’ve proved we can win the fa cup time and time again.

Maybe it’s time we set our sights a bit higher.

I know I’m in the minority but I don’t think we became a crap team overnight and I still have huge ambitions for this season.

Feel free to disagree. That’s just my opinion.

Al M

You don’t ? It was only comp we stood any chance of winning. We are fighting 4th and will exit CL soon enough

Johnny 4 Hats

This recency bias on display is really quite incredible. I thought our fanbase was over this.

We’ve dicked all over every team we’ve played this season, bar a really subpar performance at Craven Cottage.

Get a grip guys. The catastrophising is frankly embarrassing and this side and this manager deserve better from us.

Adebanjo

“We’ve dicked all over every team we’ve played this season”. ? Not really sure about that assessment. Compared to this time last season we are about 13 points worse off. That the real pointer to where we are.

Damon

I agree Johnny. We have a thin tired squad but we are still in the hunt for league and ucl. Give the players a rest, bit of a reset and come back refreshed for second half of season. We still have plenty of games to play not need fa cup as well

Me2

I don’t blame him after that.

Al M

It will get worse

Rnab08

Good lord man, we’re back in the knockout stages of the UCL for the first time since 2017 and are just 5 points off the top of the league after a rough patch with a GD of +17. The sky is not falling.

Adebanjo

No the sky is not falling, it’s the wheels coming off.

Rnab08

This was the third round of the FA cup against the best team in the league, who by the way we drew at Anfield a couple weeks ago. We’re in a bit of bad run of form but get some perspective man.

Born to suffer

Fans wouldn’t get so frustrated if we hadn’t been making the same mistakes every week, many or most of which have resulted from Arteta’s decisions. Saka has been run into the ground and has become ineffective. Havertz was completely clueless today and clearly hasn’t got strikers instincts, so why did we pay £65m for him? Odegaard is doing his best but even he has stopped (or been told to stop) taking shots. Jesus tells us goals aren’t his thing. So, when the manager has effectively said that we won’t be buying a striker in January who is going to get… Read more »

Deano

Unpopular opinion but if the manager doesn’t have faith in ESR then he may as well get £30-40 million for him. Same with Eddie and a couple more that don’t seem to interest him.

We need a goal scorer and a couple of full backs one is enough for now as priority signings.

Henkamp

I am not saying this because we are now in a rut, but Arteta just seems to ONLY trust a handful of players every time. Even if we sell now and bring in new recruits, there will be a group of players he doesn’t use as much, while running some others into the ground.

Don’t mean to compare, but Klopp and Pep know how to use their squads. It’s why they go deep into competitions and not run out of steam towards the end of the season. I just wish Arteta trusts his squad a bit more.

Me2

Klopp and Pep are several levels of tactical competency above Arteta. Anyone can see that.

Flash

They have 40 years of experience combined as managers vs. Arteta who have 4.

Ealing

Sad but true

Rnab08

Judging by your comments, I’m gonna guess if you were a ‘pool fan you would’ve called for Klopp to be sacked after they finished 17 points behind us and outside the UCL places last season.

Deano

I’m sure if he had Manchester City’s squad he would probably rotate a lot.

Klopp didn’t get the best from his squad last season and this season has got a lot of his points from Mo Salah they were out played for large parts of today’s match but won through our poor finishing. Incidentally he keeps picking Mr Nunez who is even worse than our strikers at scoring goals.

El Mintero

At what point do we say “no, actually this player is too good to sell and it’s on you to get him back to what he was like before you took over”…? All we seem to do is sell off our once brightest prospects and replace them with inferior talent. If ESR gets shoved out then i question the whole project.

Nick

I also think we should sell Nketiah too, another unpopular comment to make?

goonshow

Fair point – would hate to see ESR leave but what is the use of warming your bench with 120m quid’s worth (Eddie, ESR, Vieira, Cedric, etc) when they’re ineffectual (Eddie/Cedric) or you refuse to play them for any reasonable game time?

PB70

ESR will win it alll.. like when that guy scored 9 goas and is now in Newcastle..can we buy him back?

Me2

If he is so good why are teams not clambering to sign him?
I will tell you why because it is the same reason that he never starts for Arsenal.
Smith Rowe is not good enough.
A few good games a few years ago does not make him a good player.

El Mintero

Absolute bollocks. You can’t give him 5 mins every 4 games or whatever and then claim he’s had his chance to prove he should start…!

Rich

I forgot that the only time Arteta gets to see him play is on match day… Honestly I am getting fed up with fans thinking they know more than the coaching staff about our players. They see them on the training pitch day in, day out. They play games behind doors. They know every single one of their strengths and weaknesses. If ESR was running past Saliba and banging them away every day in training then he would get his chance.

Jace

shut the fvck up.. we rejected villas bid for him years back.. chelsea wanted a deal in the summer we rejected.. Newcastle have been dancing around too. stfu

Greg in Seattle

And yet he doesn’t impress enough in training to get in ahead of Reiss Nelson. Why is that, do you think? Is Nelson that much better? Or maybe he busts his ass?
Personally, I think he’s brittle and mentally suspect, and tipped some minor entitlement issues by grabbing the 10 shirt.

SG_Gooner

We will be busy this transfer window, for a marginally better manager?

Monrealist

Trying to figure out the worst way to lose. I have three recent variations to pick from

Wengerball

It does seem like it’s all coming apart. What a drastic contrast from this time last year

djourou's nutmeg

there there, we were top of the premier league a week ago, and are qualified for last 16 of the champions league. sure thing we’ve been awful lately but all teams have rough patches. it takes more than a few defeats to destroy what we’ve been building for years.

Berlingoon

Not for big parts of our fanbase. They are willing so sack the manager and sell half of the team after a couple of defeats.

Glocken

Arsenal are like Natalie Portman, nice to look at but absolutely nothing up top.

We must improve & do some deals this window otherwise the season will get away from us.

Sean

Fucking hell, did you get Havertz to finish your analogy for you there?

CWilly

Erm, she went to Harvard and speaks Japanese! But yes, we were crappy in the final third

Eric Blair

Seems like you don’t have anything up top.

Swifty

Clapping emoji.

Olic

What an elegant metaphor…🤢

slicetoheaven

Natalie Portman studied psychology at Harvard.

CWilly

Doh!! It was so inelegant I missed it.

LGfromNYC

Still unnecessary and classless.

nycgunner

Don’t know what’s worse. This comment or the uncomfortable amount of thumbs up it got.

James

Wrong person to use as an example, she’s very intelligent

Rnab08

Terrible analogy to use period, no matter what famous woman you care to name. Absolutely gross.

Tommmy

So fed up of this shit

El Mintero

It’s boring robot football. I’ve had enough too.

Grymelock

That is entirely on Arteta. Havertz was actively inhibiting our attack in the first half half & should never have come out for the 2nd, not that he offered much after the break.
All substitutions were made after the 80th minute. What possible fucking use is that?? There’s no time to affect anything and they’re actively working against the clock.
I really thought his game management would have improved by now.

yen

For me, Havertz was great in everything but putting the ball into the back of the net. Which of course is a problem if you’re playing a striker.

We either seem to have a 9 that ties everything together but can’t score for shit or a solid finisher who we can’t get the ball to.

Me2

That is the problem with Jesus – who claims that scoring goals is not his speciality.

Sean

Honestly I still believe a fully fit Jesus is actually that player. Not *quite* as good a finisher as we’d like, sure, but much more capable on that front than he’s given credit for. But ‘fully fit’ are the operative words there. The problem is (and this is the same for a number of our players), he physically can’t do what Rice and Odegaard do and be at his peak twice in 7 days. In fact he’ll often end up breaking down altogether. We’ve got several key players who fall into that category, and for a team that wants to… Read more »

P.D.

I know Havertz is very likeable & people want him to do well…but to use ‘great’ is bizarre to me. He worked really hard & made some good runs….but on the ball, he is just terrible. He takes way too long to make decisions & his passing is so, so poor, almost always underhit.

Clay

He hardly runs with the ball, his 1st instinct when he gets the ball is to pass back.

Rob

What was Havertz great at? I saw an average, safe performance – where he lacked any conviction in front of goal.

El Mintero

Havertz was fkn shit as usual. Arteta has single handedly blown up the great football we played last season by recruiting and playing this donkey every game.

Clay

Nope he was not great just say you like him and its fine.

Only here to see Eboue

Great at what exactly? Not putting the ball in the back of the net is the least of his problems! His first touch is atrocious, his passing is weak with no vision, he can’t dribble for shit and constantly loses the ball, and has no arial ability. What an extraordinary waste of time and money! I’m really sick of the excuses from the fan base. Call a spade a spade. This his fourth season in the premier league and he’s done fck all.

KOSTAS

He is useless i dont know what exactly you see as “great in everything but putting the ball into the back of the net”

Sundowner72

Yep. Drives me absolutely mad that he waits until we have actually lost a goal before affecting any changes when it’s clear for the previous 5-10 mins that the game has swung due to Klopp changes. Naive, stupid, arrogant, lack of options I just don’t know.

Sagebrush

Harvetz plays in slow motion

Paul

Martinelli came on at 61 mins.

felician

We play better, create more chances, inevitably lose the game.

Madness

We really, really, really need a striker. Not a winger. Not a defender. A striker.

djourou's nutmeg

while i agree with you, there’s no reason for the players we already have to not score. they blew it over the bar at every clear chance they had. new striker or not, that’s an issue we have to solve none the less

KOSTAS

We need a manager, over 500million spent and we still want midfielder, striker, wing backs

Stonks

Can someone explain me why the fuck Arteta didn’t substitute Havertz around the 70th minute? You need to make subs for fucks sake to revitalise the team…

Fatgooner

The obvious substitution was Eddie for Havertz at half time. But out genius manager couldn’t see it.

myrtle

Yeah right, what has Eddie done recently to deserve any kind of trust that he would change the game? Absolutely jack all, that’s what.

Clay

I would ask the same of Havertz & Martinelli

Niko

Eddie ain’t the guy. Kai created a few great chances and should have scored a few. Kai ain’t the guy but Eddie played 90 past week and did nada

Greg in Seattle

Which put him on par with Saka (who scuffed everything he had a crack at) and the entire offense. We are easily defended as a team.

Stillman’s last column was spot on – the emphasis on attacking through the wide areas to avoid risk of counters has made us dull a defendable. I miss when we played with a knife in our teeth.

Rnab08

Let me caveat this by saying how much I love Declan Rice….we are missing Partey’s line breaking passes so much man, especially considering that Zinny is also out (although yes he also frustrates me in defense).

Deano

Eddie isn’t up to it. In the second half Saka was most guilty of missing chances, although Gabriel would need to explain why on earth he didn’t head the ball in from point blank range.

Fatgooner

In a game like that full of chances, Eddie was more likely to score than Havertz

Niko

Kai created a few great chances for others. Is the strategy now to bring Eddie on in games where there are a lot of chances? I think that pretty much sums Eddie up

Russ

Really? Did Eddie even have a kick of the ball when he came on?? Pointless substitution

Only here to see Eboue

Arteta has his favourites and of you’re one of them, you can do no wrong. It’s as simple as that. And more importantly, for Havertz to lose favour now would be to admit that spending £65mil on some washed up, former “prodigy” with a terrible premiere league record was, *as everyone with eyes had predicted*, a bad idea. Mikel Arteta everyone.

Deano

Last 3 matches, over 60 shots 1 goal. Need to sell a few players and buy a goal scorer.

yen

63 shots exactly. I checked.

Chris

Yeah, the athletic reported 63 shots and 1 goal since Xmas. Then I see us linked with a defender…

Eric Blair

That is absolutely shocking, it must be some kind of record.

Man Manny

Arteta has been taught some footballing lessons by Jurgen Klopp with a weakened Liverpool team!
Why bother to bring ESR in?

Tomaury Bischfeld

Disappointing. Conversion remains an issue.

Trent scraping crumbs off his back from all the times Martinelli had him on toast. Always disappointed with how late on in the game ESR is introduced.

Truther

And then what did Martinelli do with the ball?

Tommmy

Also bored of EVERY comment going to awaiting approval. Please remove me from that list for no reason

NorthernGooner

I also seem to be on the naughty step, no idea why.

ObiKing

That was awful.

Sagebrush

It was

IgorStepanoooo

Just got beat by little Bobby Bradley and Timmy Donuts from the Liverpool youth team
and I’m not happy about it.

Also, we have fully transformed into 2010 arsenal. Death by extra touches, eye of the needle passes and sh*t finishing. What is this voodoo madness!

NorthernGooner

But we have control and dominate the stats

He’s got no hair but we don’t care...

The frustrating thing is that last season was a world away from this and the hiccup was too bad and we still ran city close. Arteta’s reaction to free flowing scoring football was to be more pragmatic, pass the other team out of the game and not give them the ball.
Yeah that worked out well.

IgorStepanoooo

I suspect it’s worse. Teams respect us more and take less risks against us, which I think is highlighting (since the World Cup) that our forwards aren’t actually as good as we think, or more specifically, we lack real “top” players who make the difference in key moments / periods.

El Mintero

Suddenly we’re 80s Arsenal again…fck me…

Ukesox

Last season neither L’pool nor Villa were in it. Teams around us have improved & we havn’t. If Chelsea, Man United & Spurs up their games & we don’t, it’ll be Europa league next season at best.

Greg in Seattle

If you insist on playing a style where you want to effing dribble the ball into the goal (which is peak Wenger-era) then you might want to have Trossard at the false 9, with his no-backswing quick release and clinical finishing. In theory, at least. As if there is one single fix to this issue…

kas

Whilst Arteta refuses to play our youngsters even in a Euro DEAD Rubber – says it all.

Henkamp

That was a Liverpool side with no VDV, Salah, and a half fit Macallister. They better look into bringing in a decent striker this month before our season gets even worse.

Berlingoon

That was an Arsenal side without Timber, Partey, Tomiyasu, Zinchenko and Jesus.
We played well, confidence is not that high at the moment and that reflects on our finishing. Lost due to a very unlucky own goal.
No need to act like spoiled brats everything we lose a game, regardless how it happened.

El Mintero

Dude we are nowhere near the level we were at last year…

Berlingoon

We were on course to top the points of the invincibles (our best ever PL season) at that point last year. Have you thought we will walk this league and get 100+ points this year? We almost had no injuries in the first half of last season and almost all our players had immense confidence, due to the run we were on. Of course it looks different this time around. It’s just common sense.

NorthernGooner

Easy to see who Salah etc would replace in the liverpool team. Other than Kiwior, who else are you taking off in Arsenal?

Berlingoon

Partey for Jorginho, Zinchenko or Tomiyasu for Kiwior, Timber for White, Jesus for Havertz.

Bleeding gums murphy

Shane as we played well. Too many players not scoring. They send on jota and we send on nketia. You could see the difference it made. Jota was a threat. We won’t sign anyone in this window as we don’t have the money and we owe Brentford £30 million for Raya. Ramsdale had a good game and then showed his glaring weakness in caught in no man’s land for the first goal. If you’re gonna come you have to get there. If he stays it comes straight at him.

Berlingoon

We have money but we have to spend according to the financial rules and that‘s the problem.
We didn‘t owe Brentford 30 mio because we didn’t have them last summer but because we would have been in trouble if we had spend them.

jeremy

Then sell Martinelli for alot of money and buy someone with end product. Love the guy but he exhausts me. Came on, beat his man with fabulous skill and then passed it straight to a Liverpool player.. Then did the same thing again and hit first man from the resulting corner. This is what he does…and it’s frustrating he never seems to improve.

Berlingoon

Yeah, let’s sell a player who has been immense for us over the last 3 seasons because now, still at the age of 22, he has a difficult spell. Sounds like a fantastic plan.

Me2

If I had the choice between selling Martinelli and buying a top striker like Osimhen I would take Osimhen every time. Martinelli has no end product this season. Got his new contract just like Walcott all those years ago and lost all those qualities that made him so good.

Berlingoon

To compare Martinelli, probably the hardest working forward I’ve seen at Arsenal, to Walcott, who was absolutely anonymous in a lot of games, and then blame it on his new contract, is just stupid. And Osimhen dropped off this season compared to last exactly the same as Gabi did. Got 7 goals domestically, 2 more than Eddie in a much weaker league and 1 in the CL. Had one great season when Napoli was absolutely flying. If he would be able to do that in the PL is a completely different matter. To spend 100+ mio an him would be… Read more »

jeremy

errr 21 goals in 85 appearances is hardly immense is it? Decent…but not immense. Look…if our FFP position is accurately reported, either we sell a player everyone likes and buy someone who scores goals, or we have fuck all chance of winning anything this season (and quite possibly finishing outside the CL places). It really is that simple. Either you are ok with that or your red tinted glasses shields you from the fact we have one of the most inefficient attacks in the league with our top 3 scorers sharing 23 goals (compared to City = 43 goals, Liverpool… Read more »

Berlingoon

37 goals, 22 assists for us. 60 goal involvements at the age of 22 is pretty immense for a winger. And it‘s not only about goals. He gives a lot more to this team than that.
And last season Saka, Martinelli and Jesus scored 40 goals in the PL, although Jesus missed big parts due to his injury, which proves they are capable, they’re just having a bad season so far. But that’s no reason to act like a prick and want sell them straight away.

Ukesox

A big issue for Arteta was that the squad he inherited was overloaded with overpaid duds with no sell on value, that needed replacing fast. If you can’t raise funds from sales FFP is going to restrict buying power over time. Yes, £60m may turn out to have been a mistake for Kai but when was the last time AFC got more than £30m for a player?

Berlingoon

Exactly, the reasons why we have these financial restrictions have nothing to do with Arteta or Edu. They had to pay off a lot of useless players and spend big on a lot of new ones to get this team back in the CL and now need a couple of seasons there to be able to spend big again.

Hamburg Gooner

Well, it was his own defender who scored a free header – how could he foresee that? he would have got the ball otherwise

Sagebrush

True, he figured Kiwior was playing for his side

P.D.

Genuine question : what did Ramsdale do for that goal that was worse than what Raya did for the header we conceded v Luton, that makes it a glaring weakness for Ramsdale ?

Bleeding gums murphy

It’s an area that like it not Raya is better coming for and claiming crosses. Ramsdale is not good in this area. That’s why I call it a glaring weakness.

NorthernGooner

Like at Newcastle, you mean?

P.D.

So, worse than Raya was at Luton ? (from a corner floated in, as opposed to a lethal delivery at pace from TAA today)

El Mintero

Seriously?! Raya’s glaring weakness is exactly coming for and getting lobbed on crosses!

Bleeding gums murphy

You are very emotionally led and I get that. For some reason I’m not after today’s game. I thought we played well and should have won the game. Check the stats. Personally I think Ramsdale better shot stopper and Raya better at crosses. I also think Raya signing May have caused some division in squad

El Mintero

Same fkn weakness as Raya then?

Riku

Odegaard kept not shooting and passing off to Kia. Shoot the ball man

Ealing

Klopp worked out what was wrong with pool and made changes. Mid game MA can’t Dort out his socks to save his life

Ealing

Sort out

yen

Arteta can’t teach them how to strike a ball mid game.

Once read a quote it’s manager’s job to get the team into the last 3rd and then it’s up to players to get the ball into the back of the net.

RockyRog58

We got any idea how Klopp managed to help win that game purely by his managerial wizardry in identifying a problem communicating the answer then watching his already drilled players carry out his instructions ? Arteta NEVER changes the way we play EVER ! That’s not good management or effective coaching imho !

Born to suffer

Where was the quote…. The Beano? If a team has stopped being able to score goals, it’s the manager’s job to train the players better and introduce better tactics. This shambles is entirely on the manager.

Voldemort

If havertz as our main striker is the answer then wtf is the question. This stinks of desperation. Striker so badly needed it’s painful now

Arshavins left foot

Who could call this game? Havertz up front. No ESR. The project is over. Arsenal fans deserve a masterplan. This manager has to go today. Why play Kiwor at left back when we have a better player in Saka who can play there. Enough is enough. This was so predictable as well as our disposal in the Champions League. Arteta is out of his depth

Fabregasted

If Arteta is out of his depth than you have drowned.

Arshavins left foot

All you losers loving defeats? Where has ambition gone in this incredibly stupid fan base? Do you you really accept what we witnessed today? We have losing mentality and fans that don’t remember what it takes to be invincible. Arteta must go now

Grumbleduke

I’m sure your well thought out approach of calling the arsenal fan base incredibly stupid will go down well. Calling for Arteta out as well. You’re a true fan.

Arshavins left foot

Just realistic my friend and have some faith in us being a big club and with the right manager we can be that one day. Sick to death here people chatting crap

Grumbleduke

Fair enough

Baz

Grow up you twat

Wengerball

This is my synopsis. MA got lucky last year. We won and played well because our players Over performed and won DESPITE bad rotation and tactics..this year with the added competitions the rotation dilemma is apparent and our players are fatigued and underperforming. Last year was a fluke and this is the real MA.

Hamburg Gooner

You sound like you are celebrating heavily at the moment …

Wengerball

Quite the opposite

Born to suffer