Mavropanos to sit out Europa League campaign

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Loanee Denis Suarez has been included in Arsenal’s 24-man squad for the knockout stages of the Europa League, however, the inclusion of the Spaniard has led to Dinos Mavropanos missing out.

How has that happened? On his own blog, our resident Arsenal Youth expert, Jeorge Bird, explains:

“Uefa rules state that teams should name eight homegrown senior players in their squad, but the departure of Emiliano Martinez to Reading on loan means that Arsenal only named seven. Therefore, they had to name a reduced senior squad list of 24 players.”

Having only been at the club for a year, Mavropanos, 21, doesn’t count as homegrown despite his age. To clarify, UEFA defines a homegrown player as follows:

“UEFA defines locally-trained or ‘homegrown’ players as those who, regardless of their nationality, have been trained by their club or by another club in the same national association for at least three years between the age of 15 and 21. Up to half of the locally-trained players must be from the club itself, with the others being either from the club itself or from other clubs in the same association.”

UEFA stress that clubs don’t have to put homegrown players on the field or on the team sheet, which is probably just as well because of the seven in the current squad; three are out for the season (Hector Bellerin, Rob Holding and Danny Welbeck), two are reserves (Carl Jenkinson and Deyan Iliev), one is leaving (Aaron Ramsey) and the other is Alex Iwobi.

Players under-21 at the start of the season sit on the B-list, which is why Ainsley Maitland-Niles is considered on a par with a host of academy kids.

It would appear that you can’t move between the B and A-lists during a season, hence why Ainsley couldn’t be listed as an eighth homegrown player. At least, we guessing that’s the case.

All in all, sad times for Dinos, who’ll instead have to focus on getting his minutes in the Premier League.

Arsenal’s full Europa League squad

Goalkeepers: Petr Cech, Bernd Leno, Deyan Iliev, Arthur Okonkwo*

Defenders: Hector Bellerin, Sokratis, Laurent Koscielny, Stephan Lichtsteiner, Rob Holding, Nacho Monreal, Skhodran Mustafi, Carl Jenkinson, Sead Kolasinac, Daniel Ballard*, Tolaji Bola*, Zech Medley*, Joseph Olowu*, Tobi Omole*, Jordi Osei-Tutu*, Julio Pleguezuelo*, Dominic Thompson*

Midfielders: Mohamed Elneny, Henrikh Mkhitaryan, Aaron Ramsey, Mesut Ozil, Lucas Torreira, Ainsley Maitland-Niles*, Alex Iwobi, Denis Suarez, Matteo Guendouzi, Granit Xhaka, Robbie Burton*, Charlie Gilmour*, Ben Sheaf*, Nathan Tormey*, Gedion Zelalem*, Harry Clarke*, Trae Coyle*, Joe Willock*

Strikers: Alexandre Lacazette, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, Danny Welbeck, Eddie Nketiah*, Emile Smith Rowe*, Xavier Amaechi*, Tyreece John-Jules*, Bukayo Saka*

* B List

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Man Manny
Man Manny

We have a good enough team to make a real push for the EL trophy.
Napoli and Inter are the only two clubs I think may give us a fight. There might be others though.

Richie

Chelsea are the team I would most want to avoid. Sevilla would be difficult if we’re away in the second leg.

viennagunner
viennagunner

if we end up 5th or 6th but win the el, i’d have that over 4th. which is probably obvious, but still. win the el and emery’s first season will not have been that bad

Lucas Sam
Lucas Sam

But chelsea can’t play Higuain since he playes for milan right?

Richie

Yes he can. They replaced Fabregas and Morata with Higuaín and Drinkwater for their squad list.

Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia
Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia

You mean Auba would have played last year if we had shipped Per Mertsacker to Hannover ?

IamaGoober

Nah they changed it this season after Wenger complained about Aubameyang not being able to play for Arsenal in the Europa League last year, because he featured in a matchday squad for Dortmund in the Champions League but he never actually played any minutes.

Richie

With the amount of chances we created at the Emirates against Madrid, we would have scored 3 that night if we had Aubameyang playing.

Bob's Mexican cousin
Bob's Mexican cousin
Roof-attack
Roof-attack

ah, thats a shame.

looover
looover

Hahahaha oh indeed!!!

Nketibag
Nketibag
myrtle
myrtle

From the little I’ve seen of him Mavro already looks twice the player of Mustafi. Tall, calm and composed – everything our friend Shkodran isn’t.

Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia
Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia

If Mavro has a catastrophic game, you will say why an experienced player like Mustafi was on the bench?

myrtle
myrtle

No I won’t, I will say give him time. CB is the hardest position to learn on the job but it’s clear as day he has the physical attributes to make it in the PL.

Paul Roberts
Paul Roberts

The thing is though myrtle, if you had seen very little of Mustafi and if the little was Mustafi playing well (it has happened I think??) then you may think differently. 🙂

myrtle
myrtle

In all the games I’ve seen of the young greek he looks far more composed and assured than Musti. His problems are mainly mental but CB physicality is still somehow underrated. Van Dijk, Kompany, Vidic, Campbell, nearly all of the great PL centre backs have been over 6ft. Mustafi does well in the circumstances but I’m sorry, he is a glorified right back. I for one cannot wait to see Dinos on the pitch, have you actually seen him? A proper 6ft3.5 unit that won’t get pushed around.

Paul Roberts
Paul Roberts

Yeah, I was kinda having a joke to put the “I think it has happened before” line in. 🙂

Paul Roberts
Paul Roberts

I can’t wait for him and Papa give it large in the middle of defence.

Berlingoon
Berlingoon

Well, there goes the idea that he was the reason we haven’t brought in a defender und January. Let’s hope Sokratis gets fit quickly.

ramgooner
ramgooner

We haven’t brought a defender because between Mustafi, Sokratis and Koscielny there are no major injuries. Worst case we can rely on Monreal, Mavropanos, Jenkinson or Lichsteiner. Numbers wise we are fine.
The real problem IMO is the lack of top quality cover in CM. It takes 2 more Torreira’s to gives us balance for a full season.

What we need to do is replace guys like El Neny and Ramsey with guys who are comfortable in possession like Torreira and Guendouzi.
Ramsey is a luxury false 9 and i hope that is why we are letting him go and El Neny offers nothing meaningful in terms of specific skill sets.

Against City i was quite pissed when Laporte nudged Torreira from behind to stop the counter. On top of that he escaped a yellow. Typical Guardiola tactics to commit cheeky fouls to upset the rythm.

Sokratis, Monreal, Torreira, Guendouzi and Laca are the only ones with the right defensive mentality in the squad in terms of committing meaningful fouls.

We need to get more players who can do that. As much as i love koscielny for all that he has given us i lost it with him after the Diego Costa incident. Any smart defender would have made a meal out of that situation. Koscielny is too nice to be a CB.

GraeB
GraeB

Hmmm, rely on Lichtsteiner! I’d have put Mavro in in his place despite lack of experience.

Seems crazy that players can’t move up from B list if UEFA looking to give clubs incentive to use homegrown players.

Richie

The pace of the Premier League is too much for Leitchsteiner but he’s a fine and experienced asset to use in the Europa League against opposition the quality of Borisov. People forget he was signed as a second choice right back to play in the cup games; we’ve just been incredibly unlucky with Bellerin’s injuries this season.

viennagunner
viennagunner

lichtsteiner is spelt wrong more often than mkhi or szczesny ever were

Tim Miller
Tim Miller

Finally someone speaking some sense about the Licht situation. It’s incredible how the narrative was reframed as if he was bought with the expectation he would be able to excel in games such as ManCity and Liverpool (where he plays out of position) next to the likes of Mustafi.

GraeB
GraeB

So we play him v Vorskla, Qarabag, Brentford and Blackpool to some success but what about games v Burnley, Cardiff, Huddersfield, Brighton, Southampton, Sporting, Palace (if I’m not allowed to consider performances v good teams like Man C or Liverpool). Many of those he was subbed off because he was so effective.

My point was Mavro is a better choice for the tail end of the season for him to gain experience and with harder Euro games to come than BATE. Experience is only useful if it is used in full.

SharpasFc
SharpasFc

Mav hasn’t played in a proper competitive game all season other than 20 mins at Man City, a 70 min appearance for the U23s and a 45 min appearance yesterday that was stalled by fog!
If Mav can’t play in Europe then surely he will get games in the PL? That’s the conclusion I’ve reached. Surely that is better for his development and for the club if he proves to be the gem we all hope he is.

Sammy Dubzz
Sammy Dubzz

But must we signed a player in the mould of a back up y not rather sign someone who will fight for a place n bring competition for a spot rather surrendering everything in the name of a backup

Dave
Dave

Elneny is so similar to Guendouzi…

Richie

So then we can rest Guendouzi for the Premier League and play Elneny against Borisov.

Red-Sky
Red-Sky

We shouldn’t rest anyone. Play the main players, and if we finish the first leg with a comfortable result. Then maybe, we can rest some key players.

SharpasFc
SharpasFc

The only similarity is the hair!

Petit's Handbag
Petit's Handbag

Why didn’t he replace Mustafi? Joking aside he’s an awful defender

rugrat
rugrat

mustaft when unfit is worth more to the team than when fit

Dave
Dave

That’s just downright stupid in my opinion.

We’ve got enough attackers in the squad and we’ve had major defensive injuries. Someone else should’ve sat out.

Antony Adler
Antony Adler

I thought the same, but the problem is, looking at the squad, there’s no-one really to take out that’s not in theory v useful and we do have quite a few CDs in the squad (elneny is probably the closest to someone you could drop). Who would you drop to fit in Mav?

Kinghenrythe14th
Kinghenrythe14th

Welbeck and Bellerin

Lucas Sam
Lucas Sam

as written in the article, Welbeck and Bellerin are used to fill the home grown quota and since we apparently can’t move players from B list to A list, we are stuck…

GraeB
GraeB

Lichtsteiner! (sorry for repetition).

nachoman
nachoman

elneny

PeteyB
PeteyB

Gotta say I don’t understand why Holding,Bellerin or Welbeck are not dropped… Unless medical team have said that they may be available before the end of the season.

Hantal
Hantal

Because they allow us to fill our homegrown player quota, otherwise our squad wouldn’t be eligible for the competition

PeteyB
PeteyB

Understood, thanks

Sharpehunter
Sharpehunter

I have a gut instinct that this guy could be very good if he is introduced gradually and not thrown in the deep end. In an ideal world next season, he will be paired up with a repaired and rejuvenated Rob Holding with Bellerin back from his injury soon after we may be somewhere near building a back 4 full of youthful potential and enterprise.

We can but dream, but it would alleviate a lot of our problems and resolve the ageing squad issue we currently have.

Nketibag
Nketibag

It’s further evidence of Sven’s scouting talent that his young signings have already impressed enough in 6 months to have the future of the club firmly rested upon them.

catbiscuits
catbiscuits

I count 3 A-list goalkeepers, but only 3 A-list centre halves?

Olave
Olave

Iliev counts as homegrown apparently

as28
as28

Smith-Rowe has been included?

Myq
Myq

Niles is still only 21

Almunia4Pires
Almunia4Pires

Beggars belief. Quite clearly Emery doesn’t rate Mavropanos as the Europa League would have been ideal for him to get some playing experience.

Richie

It’s not about Emery rating him; it’s just a consequence of the rules. Koscielny, Mustafi, Sokratis, and Monreal can all play centre back and are ahead of him in the pecking order anyway.

Paul Roberts
Paul Roberts

I have been to the future, they are all injured! 🙂

Anonymarse
Anonymarse

I think they are all injured in the present

SharpasFc
SharpasFc

Did you even read the article?

Anonymarse
Anonymarse

That’s asking a bit much

Almunia4Pires
Almunia4Pires

I understand all the homegrown stuff. You are telling me that you’d rather have Elneny than Mavropanos in the squad? Lichtsteiner over Mavropanos? I’d rather try Mavropanos at DM or at RB if need be, rather than play those two that we’ll get rid of in the summer anyway.
I insist its a terrible decision. You make room for a player like Mavropanos.

gunnerpete
gunnerpete

Will someone, anyone, explain to me what the bloody hell is happening to our club. Our new manager is beginning to really annoy me with his stupid selections. How on this planet can Mustafi and Monreal get in the side, let alone squad, in front of Mavropanos. Has themanager even watched the boy..he is perfect for our enormous gap in defense. So Emery would rather play two players who A) are not great defenders and B) are past their best anyway. Yes its a sickener to lose Holding, Sokratis and Belerin but for AFC thats par for the course every single season. Fans today do not like it when old farts like me tell them of our past but ive suffered as a Gunner since 1949 and I mean suffered. We once went 18 years of pathetic performances and total lack of financial help from the board. Now here we are again. Mrs Bracewell- Smith should be ashamed of putting her ownbig profits before our club when selling out to this idiot yank Kronke. AFC are nothing but a cash machine to him and his son so until they are gone we will stay as a 6/8 placed nonentity club.Whilst we had Misslintat we stood a chance but now …sit back and expect the worst for years to come.

Red-Sky
Red-Sky

Hello daily mail comments section.

Roof-attack
Roof-attack

i enjoyed reading this but i am not convinced about Mislintat was the guru we wanted. i think he was good at self promotion. lots of other clubs have head scouts who have unearthed gems from across the globe and sold them on for massive profit but we don’t know their names. Mislintat was put forward as some sort of transfer whisperer , but i think we can still operate in the same way with out him, if we can do some sensible recruiting for his replacement , we can still have a good scouting network to dig into.

SharpasFc
SharpasFc

Did Mislantat recruit Lichtsteiner? I keep asking this question and nobody answers it. He has unearthed some gems but he’s also brought into the club players who are edging towards the twilight of their careers. I actually think most of us could be scouts for the club as we know what the club needs. Give me his salary and I’ll do it in between all the other things I have to do.

Homer
Homer

Oh, for [email protected] sake. Really, calm down.
I recommend a viewing of Jame’s on the whistle this week.

SharpasFc
SharpasFc

You either didn’t read what Jorge said or you chose to ignore it. If you are annoyed with the manager that’s one thing I guess but your annoyance should be about things he can do something about. Someone on the clerical side seems to have made a cock-up by the look of it…that’s nothing to do with Emery!

SharpasFc
SharpasFc

You either didn’t read what Jorge said or you chose to ignore it. If you are annoyed with the manager that’s one thing I guess but your annoyance should be about things he can do something about. Someone on the clerical side seems to have made a mistake by the look of it…that’s nothing to do with Emery!

Paul Roberts
Paul Roberts

I was really enjoying your articulate post thinking “wow is this the new “Pete”? but stopped reading at “how can Monreal get in the side”

Mr. G
Mr. G

What a frustrating decision. This is a guy who needs more game time, and two legs against BATE Borisov would have been perfect. He won’t play much in the PL anyway, so we’re left with seeing too much of the walking disaster that is Mustafi.

Bob's Mexican cousin
Bob's Mexican cousin

One shocking decision after another. I’m losing hope.

Ross
Ross

Just take out lichsteiner

SharpasFc
SharpasFc

His contract probably included Europa appearances.

Paul Roberts
Paul Roberts

As some sort of assassination thing Ross? Asking for a hitman friend…:-)

Fatgooner
Fatgooner

Isn’t it about time that somebody challenged these pathetic rules about so-called home grown players? At the end of the day we are a business, as much as I hate to say it. What right does UEFA have to tell us which of our employees we are allowed to play in their competitions? Some of these players are on very expensive contracts and yet they are barred from taking part in a major competition – one that may make us tens of millions of pounds if we manage to win it. As long as a player is formally registered with a club he should be allowed to play in ANY club competition. This is a clear restraint of trade for both the player and his club and I’m surprised that this nonsense hasn’t been challenged in the European Court.

After the Bosman ruling a precedent was set: any EU national has THE ABSOLUTE RIGHT to ply his trade in any EU country. If anybody tried to stop a German-trained electrician from working for a French company there would be hell to play. The European Court would tell them to get lost; and yet somehow this can be allow in football. Why? It’s time for UEFA to grown up and realise that the argument has been lost – it was lost way back in 1995. As a Greek citizen Mavropanos has as much right as an English player – home grown or not – to play for the club in European competitions. This may all change soon as we stupidly leave the EU, but in the meantime he should be allowed to play.

And by the way: we are in the entertainment industry. Supporters – the ones who often cough up big money for their tickets – want to see the strongest teams competing, with the best possible players. Why should squads and teams be weakened by these stupid rules? Actors and singers are allowed to do their best with their best supporting performers, and yet football is hindered by these stupid rules. Crazy.

Dave Cee
Dave Cee

I totally agree with you Fats. I would also add that these rules actually seem to be counterproductive. They are intended to ensure clubs develop young local talent, but the reality is that big clubs hold onto good young talent to satisfy the rules with little intention of playing them. To do this they give them bigger contracts than they could expect lower down the table. The result being that the player’s development stalls and they are too well paid to get off their arse and force a move. It is why i applaud players who leave big clubs early to advance their development in the belief that they are good enough to force their way back there later in their careers. Andy Cole and David Bentley being good examples

Hantal
Hantal

Andy Cole yes, David Bentley not so much

Steve Dabbah
Steve Dabbah

seems inaccurate : Bellerin ,Holding and Wellbeck out for season list does not make sense and smith rowe is out on loan

Eric Blair
Eric Blair

After Brexit this situation will snowball when the FA can force teams to name a certain number of English players in their match day squad. For this reason we can be thankful we have a few local lads coming through.

Hantal
Hantal

Why all the love for Mav? He played one decent game last season then showed his inexperience with a silly red card.
I’m sure he has potential but it’s unlikely he was going to play anyway

Roof-attack
Roof-attack

welcome to the internet : a glorious world of extremes and conclusion jumping. enjoy and try not to cry too much at the inhumanity.

Red-Sky
Red-Sky

For many in the fanbase, the trend is that any player who is not playing, automatically gets better and better and the becomes the solution for all the problems.

GraeB
GraeB

Red-sky, I made similar comment on another post and got serious down votes – expect similar.

Hantal
Hantal

As did i

allezkev
allezkev

Poor decision imo, this could come back to bite us big time.
Elneny hardly ever plays, we have players who can do that job like AMN, but we’re vulnerable in the centre of our defence…
Crackpot decision.

PaulS
PaulS

It would appear that you can’t move between the B and A-lists during a season, hence why Ainsley couldn’t be listed as an eighth homegrown player. At least, we guessing that’s the case.

I’m not sure, but why would you bother? Ainsley can play the same either way, makes no difference.

Fuzzy Dunlop
Fuzzy Dunlop

If he joins the A list he would count as a homegrown A list player, and thus give us back that extra place in the squad we lost when Martinez went on loan. This would then ensure a place for Mavro

Hantal
Hantal

If you could he would fulfill our requirements for homegrown A players, because he can’t be moved we aren’t able to register more non homegrown players

David Hillier's luggage
David Hillier's luggage

If you move AMN to the A list of home-grown players, it still doesn’t free up a slot for Mavropanos, Suarez or any other player.

A UEFA squad is basically 8 home grown players, 17 non, and as many u21s (who have been at the club for at least two years since their 15th birthday) as you want. If we take out our three injured A list homegrown players (Bellerin, Holding & Welbeck) that wouldn’t affect the 17 non-home grown players place in the squad.

Paul Roberts
Paul Roberts

Would it be too harsh on Mustafi for Unai to put Gunnersaurs in ahead of him going forward??

Make Arsenal Great Again
Make Arsenal Great Again

Gunnersaurs is world class compared to that comedy relief disguised as a professional footballer

Ordnance Dave
Ordnance Dave

He’s injured. Ruptured a ligament in his tarsus.

Dazjay
Dazjay

Why are Bellerin and Holding named? They’re out for the season! Also, in the clamour to sign a centre back why didn’t we just recall Chambers?

Paul Roberts
Paul Roberts

We tried to recall Chambers but the penalty cost was too much as he had played so many games.

Crash Fistfight
Crash Fistfight

Yet we were prepared to pay €5m to loan Perisic. How much was this penalty cost, exactly?!?

Richie

No we didn’t try to recall Chambers, and why would we? He’s getting 90 minutes for a team who defend for 80 minutes per game, and we already have 6 players who can play centre back and 3 players who can play right back.

Paul Roberts
Paul Roberts

Ornstein says we did Richie

Richie

Bellerin and Holding are named to make up the quota for home grown players.

Ali Kamal
Ali Kamal

Why are we not playing Ozil, either play him or sell him. If 5 minutes of brilliance gets us a goal then Play Ozil and get over the ego. Ozil situation is hurting us more than anything else.

Richie

That’s the thing; if Ozil and Ramsey don’t start in the league, they’ll start in Europe.

Bruce Lee
Bruce Lee

B-list: does that mean buggered, or borrowed? 😉

Chickenshite

Thank you so much for doing a good job on explaining the home-grown system Arseblog News!

Santori
Santori

AMN is defo an A lister.

Good to see new boy Dennis isn’t cup tied.

We will need the length and breath of this squad.

Mavropanos in any case is relatively unproven but we could well do with good cover regardless.

We are so thin in assets in particular areas.

Naturally some people deem to imagine certain players worse than they truly are. Point in case Mustafi.

When he merely touches a player, they are up in arms like it is the worst infraction in the world. Old Adrian Clarke certainly didn’t think it was a big deal nor ref Atkinson.

Yet when Sokratis man handles and indulges himself in the sport of Greco-Roman Pankration, he is appauded by these same voices as being robust.

Ditto Granit. Torreira against BHA, Soton and Liverpool gave away or was robbed of the ball at least 5 times 3 of which led directly to goals. Crickets.

Go figure. Bias much?