Emery: The team should have been able to win without Ozil

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Despite returning to fitness and taking part in training this week, Unai Emery once again left Mesut Ozil out of the squad for an away game.

It’s the kind of decision which will always come under the microscope when you lose, as the Gunners did going down 1-0 to West Ham, but the Arsenal head coach sounded unrepentant afterwards, even as he admitted having more attacking options on the bench would have been useful.

The German’s absence was something he was quizzed about following the game, and the Spaniard insisted the players he picked should have been able to get the job done.

“We had enough players to win today and impose our gameplan, and impose our tactical quality against them,” he said.

“Maybe for the bench, some attacking players could have helped. We decided that the players here were the best for this match.

“We’ve won with him, we’ve lost with him,” he continued, referencing Ozil. “No one player makes the difference between winning and losing the game.

“Today the players who were here are the players who deserved to be in this match. We could have won or lost, like we can with him.

“We continue working with every player because they are all important, but today the decision was to come with these players.”

Hmmm. It remains an unhealthy situation, one that needs to be sorted, and Emery’s assertion that ‘No one player makes the difference between winning and losing the game’, doesn’t really hold true because that can often be the difference in a tight game.

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Donald's Trump
Donald's Trump

This is starting to get stupid now.

myrtle
myrtle

It’s quite clear. Ozil is refusing to sit on the bench. He finds out he’s not starting, becomes ‘injured’ and stays at home. This has happened for months.
It’s a classic Mexican standoff between him, the club and Emery, who is determined not to give in a la Neymar.

Deano

About as clear fog more like.

Lanre
Lanre

Enough with all these conspiracy theories please. Ozil is not a diva like Neymar and has never been known for tantrums if he doesn’t get his way. Stop pushing unsubstantiated theories just because you want to beat him up.

Gudang Pelor
Gudang Pelor

I think you’re the kind of person who says quite clear as loosely as you say literally 😀
It’s not like Ozil always starts and never comes in from the bench in a match before.

IamaGoober

I don’t understand why he wouldn’t just take him and an option. We were desperate for a player that can link the midfield and attack today. Iwobi tried his best. I thought not starting Ramsey and Torreira was a mistake too.

We need to go back to something more simplistic. These 3421’s clearly aren’t working. Id like to see us go back to something more conventional like a 433 and play Ozil in the 10.. and we might create a few goals.

I don’t think Auba and Lacazette is the answer either. I think he should pick one or the other. And keep one on the bench if the other doesn’t fire. Because if they both start, and they’re not clicking – that’s us – we don’t have anything else on the bench to mix it up.

GraeB
GraeB

Can blogs send a copy of latest By the Numbers (in Spanish) to Emery to show where we are missing.

Lanre
Lanre

And we thought Wenger was stubborn..

A Fleeting Glimpse
A Fleeting Glimpse

I believe he had the same situation at PSG with big name players. I think he’s out of his depth. Shame he started well.

Deano

Neymar certainly seems to have left his mark.

Bob
Bob

Did he though? Aside from Neymar he never had these issues with players like Mbappe, who spoke highly of him

Cagooner
Cagooner

Why is it a shame he started well? Don’t we (true Arsenal fans) always want the best for the team regardless?

Devlin
Devlin

Emery is right though, we should be able to not only win, but create chances without Ozil. Man City do not seem to be falling apart without KDB and he is a more influential player, in game, than Ozil.

It is his fault that his team is unable to transition from defence, to midfield and then to the attack with greater fluidity. It is he who sets the team up and the players are playing according to his instructions. If this is his game plan and its this flat, he should understand why Ozil will keep coming up in interviews.

The questioning is simple to understand. If he left out Lacazette and Aubameyang, and we lose the game without scoring, he will be questioned about why he didn’t play them. Even though they don’t always score, just like today. So if his team is losing while failing to create chances, while we have the most prolific chance creator in English football history in our squad and not playing, he should expect queries. It doesn’t mean Ozil is amazing in every game, or that he would have been good today.

Ozil is not the end all, be all of players. We have had better players, but I don’t think we have had a worser team. I can remeber us being bad on one side of the ball, not both attack and defence. We are inept on both sides of the ball and lack a clear identity that we can stand behind for the long term. If you tell me that we are going to be a “build from the back, fullback and cutbacks team” for the next couple of seasons, I will tell you to piss off.

Emery in Aubalaca wonderland
Emery in Aubalaca wonderland

You weren’t saying this during the 20-match winning streak that ended around four weeks ago. Ozil army gunners, please lay down your Arsenal.

DyGooner
DyGooner

Definitely was, even when we were winning, we Weren’t playing eye catching football we lack creativity at times especially when Ozil was out. It was a good winning but if you paid close attention the writing was on the wall with our defensive short comings as well as our creativity once ozil is not in the team

Billymac
Billymac

Most of those games were against teams we would expect to beat. Arsenal are more or less at the same level in points as they were last season and it looks as if the dreaded January slump could be making a reappearance. What, exactly, has Emery changed for the better since he arrived?

Reality check
Reality check

If With “writing on the wall” you mean not leading in any of the 1st halves then yeh – you are right..

Kwame Ampadu Down
Kwame Ampadu Down

‘We are inept on both sides of the ball and lack a clear identity that we can stand behind for the long term’

Let’s not pretend this is as a result of Emery joining though. This is what he has inherited & his job is to fix it. Can he do it ? I don’t honestly know…but please let’s not pretend he has taken this team’s identity. It hasn’t had one for quite a while

Gooner Sam
Gooner Sam

Exactly! We are in a mess but we have been for a while

Minaxxo
Minaxxo

He accepted the impossible job that others who know the league better than him, like Arteta, walked away from. Did you ever think you would see a day where commentators frequently said the Bubbles had better quality midfielders than the Gunners? He got the job on the promise that he will squeeze water out of stones by improving the players he inherited along with the goal of making top 4. In an unforgiving league like the premier league his naivety is comical. Yes, he wasn’t given a lot of money, but he didn’t do good business either. You either move mountain to bring in Eva Banega, or keep Santi (as risky as the Santi option may seem). You can’t have it both ways. If Ramsey was not part of his plans, he should have sold him for 20-30M in the summer, worse case, way better than him walking for free. Some fringe players should have been released to release wage bills. Some mid table teams on smaller budgets recruited way better than we did. Simply put, this team needs a a quality deep laying midfielder like Eva who can also help with defensive duty to improve the quality of our transitioning. We need width. Watford got Deulofeu while we made excuses. We need Ozil’s creativity. But he has to be the only luxury player on the pitch!

Emery in Aubalaca wonderland
Emery in Aubalaca wonderland

Arteta knows the league as a player. As a coach, he has 0 minute of experience.

PeteyB
PeteyB

True, but I think most of us hoped that 6 months in Emery’s philosophy (beyond running around a lot) would be showing through. To date, however, the seems to be little consistency in formation, line up, personnel, style, etc.
Of course he has had injuries to contend with but still I don’t really have any concept of what the vision is.
Conclusions are either that the current players don’t understand/implement his instruction, or Emery is failing to give clear instruction.

Vonnie
Vonnie

Yes, but he got the job because he supposedly blew them all away with his ideas and knowledge of these players, and basically promised a whole load of things he can’t deliver. It’s up to him now, and I don’t like what I’m seeing. A good manager makes the most of a player’s good points and tries to offset their weaknesses. When Granit plays with Lucas Torreira it frees him up to play at his best, when he’s left with Guendouzi who’s all over the place, we see what happens. There was a nice partnership there which he broke up the same as he broke up the partnership of Mikhi and Hector (before they got injured). He looks like a control freak on the sideline shouting at everyone. I think this whole Mesut thing is because it’s the Unai way or no way, and the Unai way is starting to look like a fraud.

Irrational Gunner

Good post. Jury is out and winning covered up alot of sins. Now that the league has seen him one time through the pressure will be turned up, and this is a group that he could lose pretty quickly given their mentality.

Frog
Frog

Nobody had to tell Wenger it was a good idea to play his best players.

Ya gooner
Ya gooner

Is it just me or does he look more and more like wenger wothevery passing photo

Alfred Baki
Alfred Baki

No Wenger was better

Frog
Frog

Yup. That’s the scary part. I think everyone agreed it was time for him to go. BUT even Wenger in his last 4 years was a better manager for arsenal than this guy.

Jack4343
Jack4343

Whatever side your on, this situation is a festering sore of a problem that needs to be resolved with the quickness or it will get a lot worse.

Anonymarse
Anonymarse

It probably explains the lacklustre performances tbh

Telling everybody we have no money isn’t the smartest idea either

Mpls
Mpls

Telling Ozil’s teammates (who by all comments respect him) that he’s not going to play him yet again has got to be doing something to the squad.

cygan'sbaldspot
cygan'sbaldspot

We should either sell Ozil in January or use him. This can’t go on

atom
atom

I’m sure this will get a lot of downvotes from Ozil crowd (fwiw I like him) but I really don’t think we can move him on at this point which is a major part of the problem. He’s on superstar wages – there are only a handful of players worldwide paid more than he is at this point (Neymar, Messi, Sanchez, Ronaldo and maybe a couple more but not many). Yet he doesn’t obviously fit into most top teams as they no longer play with a true number 10 or already have one at least as good already which means the clubs capable of taking on his wages likely have no interest (City/Juventus/PSG/Bayern/Madrid/Barcelona). The next tier down of clubs on the continent (Napoli/Athletico/Dortumund etc.) wouldn’t want to take on his wages even if he fit their style of play, which he does not.

The real issue is that by allowing everyone’s contracts to run down, Wenger and Gazidas left the club in a position of having to make decisions on a bunch of players at the same time we were having to make decisions regarding Wenger. Ozil really looks like a player that Emery doesn’t really care if he’s here or not (which is totally fine IMO) but thanks to Gazidas panicking about the PR of losing Ozil and Sanchez at the same time, Ozil is now on a contract that virtually no one else would touch.

It’s almost certain even if we could move Ozil on that we would be in a Fernando Torres situation of having to massively subsidize his wages. At this point whether we like or not, the reality is that Ozil’s brand is much stronger than his footballing reputation currently.

Billymac
Billymac

Wenger didn’t tell Ramsey he wasn’t needed anymore and allow him to leave on a free

Atom
Atom

But he did let him run down his contract until his last year, leaving the new team with the decision to immediately sell him or pay him huge wages

Xin
Xin

Neither did Emery, Arsenal board withdrew the contact

Emery in Aubalaca wonderland
Emery in Aubalaca wonderland

Well said, you broke it down to atom level.

goonero
goonero

Nobody gonna buy him, unless we agree to a move that see’s Ozil get a similar pay packet (as in we give some percentage of his wages)

Poldimacht

Then do that! But constantly putting him out of the squad is just so unproductive. Either learn to coexist or part. It’s like a broken marriage where they can’t find divorce or common ground and the kids are suffering as a result

goonero
goonero

Oh boy believe me mate if I coulda, I woulda.

Billymac
Billymac

I think it would be better to play Ozil and dump Emery. It’s looking increasingly unlikely that Arsenal will do better this season than last, unless we win the Europa cup. If not, the sad fact is we’re as bad, if not worse, than we were under Wenger in his worst season. How is that progress?

Alex
Alex

He should check at least the Leicester and Burnley games and tell us again that Özil can’t win us games.

Absolut
Absolut

What do I know, of course, but my general impression is that Ozil isn’t devisive in the dressing room. He seems to get on with individual players and the team groups at training. They respect him. I really hope he can play an influential role against the chavs, then can’t be dropped for the next away game. Lack of attacking creativity is stifling the strikers output.

Deano

Don’t see him playing against the chavs.

Alfred Baki
Alfred Baki

Yes, it is the stickers who suffer the most

Obarilale
Obarilale

Then check the Fulham one and see if Iwobi can’t win us games. Or check the Tottenham game to see if Torreira can’t win us games. Or Laca in the game against…

You see what I mean? You have to select two games where Ozil did well to justify his place in the eleven? What of all those other days he was nonexistent Ozil? Today will have been too physical for him. We’ve seen him pushed aside in games like this in all the while he’s been here. True, he offers something going forward from time to time. But true still, we are weaker (however weak we appear as of now) with him in the team. And he’s reluctant to change that.

Spanish Gooner
Spanish Gooner

We were terrible against Fulham and many said so, despite the scoreline. Torreira was good against Spurs, but it was Ramsey more than anybody who was the main threat going forwards, and he is also not playing!

Tapiwa
Tapiwa

Manage the team rather than go on every time talking about Ozil. He is our most creative player & the best so why ostracise him? I think Emery is overrated!!

ClockEndRider
ClockEndRider

He’s answering a question posed about Ozil. How can he do that without talking about Ozil? Use your loaf.

Deano

What he is saying is that we have a team that should be winning the match without. After a match we lost without Ozil.

Just like when he was hooked against Brighton for tactical reasons only to witness a woeful second half performance where we couldn’t string a couple of decent passes together.

Winning is great no one is interested. Losing on the other hand…

Tapiwa
Tapiwa

The manager is dancing to the tune of the Press. Hate him or love him Arsene was adept at handling the Press & I dare say much more intelligent too. Hope that’s gets into your brick!

ClockEndRider
ClockEndRider

1. His Englishis not very good.
2. Everyone criticised Wenger, rightly, for his non answers and stream of bullshit bingo, empty platitudinous phrases.
I hope that explains it for you.

Emery in Aubalaca wonderland
Emery in Aubalaca wonderland

The best and no team ever comes for him when he is not being used or when he is hesitating to renew his contract.

Bob
Bob

Ozil our best player which explains why he’s being frozen out of the current side and literally no decent team in Europe seems remotely interested in him

George
George

You spelled knob wrong.

Des
Des

Obviously the plan is to drive ozil out, make him want a move away, these little hints they do by keep dropping him aren’t working as it’s his last big contract and no is dumb enough to pay the stupid money (contract) we did for him and he knows he won’t get no way that much from anyone else unless a stupid Chinese club comes in for him which I doubt. What other big club ou t there gonna pay for a guy who does do it in the big games??

Tapiwa
Tapiwa

You are falling for the views expressed by the English Press & pundits who are not objective! If we lose they claim Ozil doesn’t do it in big games when we win it’s the team or the other players! Ozil is our best player & he must play NOT Emery’s little excuses. Emery thinks Ramsey is better than Ozil & that’s why the Manager’s ability to run a big club with superstars MUST be questioned. Whenever he holds his Press Conferences he falls for the Press line who don’t like Ozil anyway because he is not like their overrated local fake “stars”!!!

atom
atom

Ozil has by and large been very average the past 18-24 months. He’s not even in the top 15 in the PL in assists during this period. It would be one thing if he were consistently performing at the top of his game- but the Leceister game has very much been the exception and not the norm. He is our highest paid player, but it’s not clear he is consistently our best player either. He’s a complementary player – you need other outstanding players playing around him and everything working just right for him to be at the top of this game. A major issue is that’s simply not where we are as a team right now. We need more of a Hazard type who can drive at people and add goals (i.e. what Sanchez did for us) or DeBruyne rather than a true number 10.

Devlin
Devlin

Assists are dependent on your teammates finishing. If I was a CAM and you were a center forward, I create 10 chances for you in one game and you miss them all and I end up with no assists, does that mean I had a bad game?

Look into our finishing in the past 24 months and his chances created, and you will see why people are so upset. We finally have clinical players in Aubameyang and Lacazette to put away the chances he creates, then Ozil gets dropped. How foolish is that?

Atom
Atom

It’s not like Ozil has been playing amazing and we simply don’t finish. His stats have been declining every year he’s been here.

CrackedLunar
CrackedLunar

Only Emery year is relevant here and the boy doesn’t get enough match time to prove himself while Guendouzi and Miki are given way too much of.

Ozil and Aubameyang are our really star players and he is just messing with them constantly.

Jack
Jack

I wonder if Emery know that millions of people are fans of Ozil as an individual and this sort of thing is going to turn them against him as a manager.

goonero
goonero

Fuck Ozil fans, Emery should only be interested in Arsenal fans right now.

Poldimacht

I’m an Arsenal fan but also an Ozil fan. But it doesn’t trump my Arsenal support. What hurts me is unjustified agenda which is not being backed up on the pitch or in the press room. It just seems foolish by Emery. Or incompetent. I hope for Arsenal’s success but it’s clear what we are missing and that is Ozil

Bob
Bob

Millions of people are also fans of Arsenal football club. If Ozil leaves are you all going to follow him to fenerbache?

Anthony
Anthony

The thing that bothers me the most is apparently we have no money to bring anyone in who may be able to help us out, yet we will not play our most expensive player.

That along with the withdrawal of Ramsey’s contract offer, the winding down of Welbeck’s contract. And the fact that a year ago we let a wealth of creative and attacking talent leave the club in Sanchez, Walcott, Giroud. Not to mention the departures of Wilshere and Cazorla in the summer.

I’m not going to suggest it was all rosy a year ago, but what on earth is going on? Is there a plan or is it it just to let us to slide into continued mediocrity?
I’ve said before we have no entitlement to win trophies or the league. But it strikes me as odd when you have players like Lacazette, Aubameyang, Ramsey, Ozil on your books thst you cannot get them to gel together into a team unit. These are good players and we’ve seen much more achieved with a worse set of players in the past.

On the Ozil situation, either play him, or sell him. I know there’s the argument that on his wages who’s going to offer top money for him. The answer is no one, but we’re not getting anywhere with him on the books and not playing. Sell him cheap, get him off the books and start to reinvest that money in the squad.

Goonerooni 48
Goonerooni 48

“Emery’s assertion that ‘No one player makes the difference between winning and losing the game’, doesn’t really hold true because that can often be the difference in a tight game.”

Well said Blogs.

Magneto
Magneto

That was a somewhat naive statement by Unai, and probably a reflection of the fact that he is still getting used to this league.

Irrational Gunner

This is also the same guy that said, “We are getting enough chances and scoring goals efficiently” just a few weeks ago. I think he believes he doesn’t need Ozil, and when this type of performance happens, ends up having to say something so utterly face saving.

cygan'sbaldspot
cygan'sbaldspot

That doesn’t really explain the ubiquitous substitutions.

Hurensohn
Hurensohn

Would Ozil have stopped Xhaka’s shit clearance from falling at the feet of a West Ham player? Would he have made Auba hit the target. He was shit last season and his attitude and lack of defensive effort are detrimental to the team.

He’s making an example of him so the others get it into their heads.. Same with Ramsey, they only run one way.

At the start of the season everyone was saying some players won’t fit into his system etc.. This was to be expected.

Donald's Trump
Donald's Trump

That’s fine. But what is his ‘system’?

Apparently he’s a tactical genius but I haven’t seen anything different in Arsenal apart from some absolutely awful playing out from the back.

David
David

Well said, I keep wondering what the ozil fuss is all about, he played over 30 league games past 2 seasons and we still finished outside the top 4

Michael Bolton Wanderers
Michael Bolton Wanderers

I’m not a big ozil fan, but even I can see that we would’ve benefited from having him in today’s squad. And if there was one thing we lacked today it was creativity in the final third.

Qhubabi Mayeza
Qhubabi Mayeza

Ozil is the best compared to iwobi,the coach must retain Ozil to the starting line up so we can win games,he must talk to Ozil and resolve their differences and let the guy play

Rich
Rich

Whoever our manager is? They’re damned if Ozil plays, and damned if he doesn’t.

I’m not sure any manager can reignite the fire in Mesut Ozil, and it’s not in Emery’s interest to freeze out our most talented player, I think we have to accept that if Ozil isn’t playing? It’s got nothing to do with Emery looking for a problem just to have a problem.

Ozil doesn’t want to leave London or his giant contract, even if he’s not playing regularly, that in itself should tell us everything we need to know about this players priorities.

MrT
MrT

Hey Rich… Good to see you backing our man Ozil.
Tell me if this is the team & formation Emery should stick with :
Leno
Bell-Kos-Sok-Mon
Niles-Tor-Xhaka
Ozil
Laca-Auba
4-3-1-2

Rich
Rich

Having a focused and consistent Mesut Ozil would be a fantastic thing, but the reality is the last time this happened was a 8 game run leading up to his new deal, and before that it was the first half of the 2015/16 season where he bagged 18 assists in half a season then got just 1 more in the second half of the season after Cazorla got injured.
It’s nothing personal against Ozil, I just don’t think he looks motivated, and I also don’t buy into the idea that Emery is acting like a child, he’s not Mourinho, he’s paid to make these decisions, and it’s a decision based on watching Ozil for a long time I thoroughly agree with

Drew
Drew

No one player has ever won a match. Obviously he’s never heard of Messi.

Rufai
Rufai

If Emery siad no one player had never won a match is a fool, in football we have best player and sure player, best players are players like neymer, cotiho, Williams, Pogba Silva. Den sure players are players like, Ronaldo, mercy, aguero, hazard.

owlski
owlski

Or Thierry Henry.

Dobby the house elf
Dobby the house elf

Ozil isn’t on a level with Messi

Ealing
Ealing

Mesut is not same level as Pogba, Hazard, KDB, Ericsson, Insigne, Firminio, Silva, … and the list could go on and on. If he were we would have won a premiership over the past years.

abdulCD
abdulCD

Just like Liverpool and Manchester United have won with Firminho and Pogba respectively, right???

Nope
Nope

This stand off is pathetic. We are suffering because of it. Either play him or sell him.

Make Arsenal Great Again
Make Arsenal Great Again

I’ve been saying for months that Emery is not the right manager for this team. Now, others are beginning to see it. By next Christmas, he’ll be on his way out of this club.

martin
martin

It’s so sad to see so many people already starting the campaign for Emery Out. The man has been with us for half a season and must be given time. Toxic Toxic Toxic

Rob67
Rob67

To be replaced by…….Alan Pardew ? Allardyce ?…Mourhino?….

I don’t think so. Emery is here for at least three years and we must hope he sees it out. If after that time it hasn’t worked – so be it ; we change or he leaves. But he needs time and transfer windows to mould this squad as he requires.

There simply are not a pool of Managers out there waiting to come in. We were lucky to get Emery and have to work to keep him.

And if anyone suggests Wenger’s return – I will counter with saying bring back Terry Neill. It’s equally likely. As is Ferguson or Mourinho.

Emery needs to be given time and we must be patient. In the wider scheme of things matches like this one will quickly disappear.

The BIG concern is that the Board don’t back him and he becomes disenchanted. Because if he does and leaves, then so will his successor. And we’ll be stuck.

In the meantime he needs support not catcalling.

Don’t Forget
Don’t Forget

The coach that won the last 3 champions league finals is available… just saying…

Greg
Greg

Mental! There is so much wrong at or club that this poor man has inherited.

A poor squad so badly balanced. Over paying average players like mykhi 200k a week. We have wasted so much money of late we are now years behind the other top clubs

I’m proud of the fact we are a self sustaining club, and in that case you think you would be smart with how you use your money esp as mistakes are so consequential. Ozil never deserved 350k a week, the club should have said what they said to Ramsey and no. No more. Myhki on 200k a week! Fuck me it’s crazy by gazidis and Wenger. No plan no long term thinking just scatter gun hope

Dave Cee
Dave Cee

Absolutely Greg! Spunking 70M on Xhaka and Mustafi should have been a sacking offence on it.s own. When we turned down 60M for Sanchez and then gave Ozil that fucking mental contract it was clear we were in massive trouble. It will take a long time and some inspired signings to get this club moving forwards again.
History will not look kindly on the Gazidis and Wenger partnership.
If we hadn.t wasted more money on Mikhi we could have had Felipe Anderson playing for us today too. It is just saddening really.
Everyone wants to blame the Kroenkes but they did not make these truly eyewateringly stupid decisions. They supported the footballing ‘knowledge’ at the club and have since acted to try and put that right. It is clear they are the wrong owners, mainly because they lack the requisite knowledge of the European game. But this mess is all at the hands of Wenger, Gazidis and our scouting department of the time

Ealing
Ealing

Well said. The mistakes of the last few years are biting us back harder and harder. After the coutinho inflation it will take even more money to repair them.

David
David

With all the players (EPL Winners) that Pep inherited, he finished 4th in his 1st season at City, Klop with all the credit he gets hasn’t won a think at Liverpool for over 3 years now and 6 months into emery’s tenure you think he’s not the right man?

ClockEndRider
ClockEndRider

“We had enough players to win today and impose our gameplan”.
There was a game plan?

Mick
Mick

That’s not the point. He’s getting paid a fortune to do a job. If he’s fit he plays (no matter who the opposition is) and earns his wages. If I pick and choose what days I work and what days I stay at home I’d be showen the door.

Mpls
Mpls

?? It’s Emery that’s picking and choosing.

Jht
Jht

Who was supposed to be the creative amc engine today then? It was utter mess and disgrace to watch! Arsenal were never a threat, like a bunch of lambs waiting to get slaughtered. Guendouzi was like a baby and he starts to look badly out of his dept now. Then if you look replay of the hammers goal what u see Xhaka doing is shocking; just standing around wondering name of the indian restaurant he ordered mutton chicken few weeks ago. He had his man in sights all the time and could have prevented the goal with minor work, but no. So lazy.

Maybe Emery is getting it wrong and his halftime tricks are drying up, do we can expect some real slump towards end of the season. But his biggedt job is to motivate players and get the tactics right, now his failing with both.

James
James

Emery is a Spanish Rioch. Creates discord with one of the clubs best players and will find himself out of the club inside 12 months.
It’s a shame as Emery showed signs of promise but we are actually worse. Not his fault he’s not up to this level but like Man Poo we’ll have to wait for a proper manager

Poldimacht

Man United don’t have a proper manager. He’s just a former player riding on rejuvenated team spirit. Wait for time to pass and tough matches to get through then you’ll see the real Man Poo come out. Pun intended

Ealing
Ealing

Sadly MU have players with better resale value

Spanish Gooner
Spanish Gooner

Actually, I think late Mourinho is the best comparison for Emery. Both brought in Defensive football to clubs with attacking histories, both kicked out star creative players (Mata & Ozil) because they didn’t work hard enough, both started fights with key players in the dressing room (Ramsey, Ozil vs Pogba, Casillas, etc) and Banega would be Emery’s Matic if we had the money. Europa leagues aside (and at no point did Sevilla knock out a team as good as the Atleti side we were a Koscielny mistake away from beating last year) Emery’s only trophies have come with a Qatari backed super team in the 5th best of Europe’s top 5 leagues. The only difference is Mourinho proved himself at Porto/Chelsea (round 1)/Inter before losing his spark, Emery has just never had one.

Billymac
Billymac

Beginning to think Emery is a bit of a bluffer. What has he done to make this team and its players any better since he took over? Our two best results so far have been a 1-1 draw with Liverpool at home (the same fixture ended 3-3 last season) and a 4-2 win at home against Spurs (who we beat 2-0 in the corresponding fixture last season). So, again, what has he done? Our points total at this point of the season is only two more than last year which, let’s not forget, was Wenger’s worst season and so bad that some Arsenal fans were marching in the streets to force him out.

Zima
Zima

3-4-1-2 with Ozil as number the 1 seems perfect for this team. Not a big Ozil fan as other players have to work harder to make up for things he doesn’t do, but we are stuck with him and he is exceptional at creating chances, which is exactly what Lacazette and Aubameyang need.

Lord Bendnter
Lord Bendnter

Could’ve would’ve should’ve but didn’t

Lord Bendnter
Lord Bendnter

I’m waiting for Monreal, so we can finally get back to the
4-3-3
Bellerin
Mustafi/Kos
Sokratis
Monreal

Torreira
Xhaka
Ozil/Guendouzi/Ramsey

Iwobi
Auba
Laca

At least this sort of lineup is much more balanced. I cannot see the point of Guendouzi in the starting line up when you are playing Xhaka and Torreira.
Look at Nasri today, he was doing so many one twos. That’s what we need. I don’t mean we need/want Nasri. But we need someone who can actually play quick one-twos. Ozil can do that, but clearly the manager isn’t a big fan, so can we sort it out and get someone who can actually play those one twos with the front three???
When does the summer transfer window start……….

Deano

Any player regardless of how good they are need time on the pitch to build match fitness and form. Not a god situation for both club and player.

George
George

Fuck you. This Ozil situation is now absurd. And the Ramsey one isn’t far behind.

I might very well be dead before we get our Arsenal back.

gee
gee

We should be able to win without Ozil correct.

We should not set up the team and esp the midfield to contain an older Unfit Nasri, a game but getting on Noble and a 6 month novice teenager in Rice.

Auba spent more time back tracking than playing to his strengths, he is not a right winger. i could see Iwobi as the only one trying to link midfield an attack.
if we are to play Auba on the wing we need at least someone who can play between the lines in midfield ahead of Gendozi, Torriera or Xhaxa. Ramsey was the closet player to that description and he benched him for what?

Mr Arsenal
Mr Arsenal

I still think Wenger would have done a better job this season with the same team Emery is having. Too bad he was rushed out of the team. I’m not saying Emery is bad but I don’t see him doing much with a low transfer budget, Wenger on the other hand is experienced in that he get results from an average squad. The two season he didn’t make the top 4 can’t justify that he is finished like people say. Plus it’s only one season that was really bad, the first season he was 1 point away from the top 4. I feel for Emery because he won’t get the players he wants and it will affect his results. This season alone if we don’t get reinforcement in January Emery won’t finish in the top 4

Poldimacht

I wouldn’t mind having Arsene back in some capacity at some point. Wish he was our owner. At least he gave a shit about Arsenal and tried his best to fix things and make us competitive to the best of his ability.

Greg
Greg

Wow

atom
atom

I know the conventional wisdom is either play him or sell him – but I genuinely don’t see who we could sell him to at this point. Ozil on his current wage is one of the highest paid players in the world (Sanchez is the only player in the PL who makes more I believe) – he’s would be the number 1 or 2 earner at virtually any club in the world right now, and by a fair amount. That in itself really limits the clubs who would be interested in him let alone be willing to pay a sizable transfer fee for him.

The next problem then is if you look at the clubs who might be able to afford him, he really doesn’t appear to fit into their playing style, or those clubs already have someone better in his role (City/Juventus/Bayern/Madrid/Barcelona). The 2nd tier have the same issue of playing style and one can add financial concerns to that as well (Napoli/Athletico/Dortmund, etc.). He wouldn’t fit at any of the other top 6 in the PL – he wouldn’t get into Chelsea/Liverpool/United (style of play issues) or into City/Sp*rs (they already have DeBruyne & Erickson – both of whom have been consistently better than Ozil the past few years). Before I get ripped on that – keep in mind that Ozil isn’t even in the top 15 in the PL in assists the past 2 years. While his ceiling is incredibly high which means his top game is among the best in the world, he really hasn’t consistently produced that level.

That pretty much leaves someone like Inter or Milan (financial fair play issues) or China as realistic destinations for him. The issue with the Italian clubs is it’s pretty easy to see a Fernando Torres situation where we end up massively subsidizing his wages and get no fee for him.

The real blame in this situation should be laid at the feet of Wenger and Gazidas who allowed so many players to run down their contracts and then massively overpaid Ozil to avoid the PR hit of losing both he and Sanchez at the same time. That might have been ok if we were planning on keeping Wenger- but it really didn’t make sense to eat up this much of our wage budget on a player who wouldn’t necessarily fit into the next coach’s plans. Virtually none of the other top European teams play a style of football that indulges a true number 10 like Ozil either – so it wasn’t simply a case of finding the coach to fit around Ozil as virtually no top coach would have given him free reign as Wenger did.

I genuinely don’t see how we get out of this mess as moving Ozil will be virtually impossible and he simply does not seem willing or able to change his game enough to fit what Emery requires.

Devlin
Devlin

City have Sterling, Sane, Jesus and Aguero to take the chances KDB and Silva create.

Spurs have Son, Alli and Kane to take chances created by Erickson.

Ozil has only really had Sanchez as a double figures player. Giroud, Walcott and Ramsey were our top scorers and I think we all know how profligate they are. We didn’t go after Lacazette, Perez, and Aubameyang for no reason. Ozil has basically been working with one hand tied behind his back.

Chances created though, that paints Ozil in a different light. Go ahead, tell us how much everyone else has created more in the past 24 months.

Spanish Gooner
Spanish Gooner

There are only 5 players in Europe on higher weekly wages than Ozil right now. De Bruyne, Silva, Erikson etc all earn at least £130k less than him per week, and for that kind of money teams will want more than somebody better than Ozil, even though he is very good. Erikson et all also score a lot more than Ozil ever has, and are all (bar Silva who City have been easing out over the last 12 months) younger than Mesut. I love Mesut, but he has had our pants down.

Atom
Atom

And therein lies the rub – Ozil is paid so much at this point that you could pretty much pick any two players on that list or have Ozil

MateKiddleton
MateKiddleton

It would help if the players knew what Emery was trying to do. Cos regardless of who is playing or not playing, we seem to be like a bunch of headless chickens with no direction.

Olivije Žirod
Olivije Žirod

Have you watched City against Liverpool? Sterling, Aguero, Sane had very similiar “lazy” body language like Ozil has. Ozil would get in Man City team.

Atom
Atom

Where would he play? Debruyne scores far more goals and has more assists than Ozil does and arguably is a better player than Ozil already. He’s not beating out mahrez/sane/sterling on the wings as all 3 bring pave and score far more goals. It’s arguable if he could even beat out Silva who is already being phased out.

MrT
MrT

Where is #Rich ????? The biggest Ozil fan… LOL

Deano

Never mind Rich where is the chief of doom Fatgooner

Emmanuel
Emmanuel

Arsenal is ownmanaged by a pretender and a deciever called Kronke.for Arsenal to compeete and win the league they must pay for players in the transfer market instead of decieving fans with media messages of aggreement with buyable players and their clubs.Before loosing 5-1 to Liverpool they lost to Mancity Chelsea, C.Palace & lost many points to many draws . Enough lesson for all.Chelsea already paid for a player in January what is Arsenal waiting for.Besides if Emery cannot teach his players to make accurate passes at alltimes at all parts of the feild to put in more energy in passing and intercepting ,to get all players perfect their dribbling skills so that a goal getter like Aubamiyang will no longer be slothfull but can hold on the ball in the 18 yard box to get a self created chance to score then he should resign for another coach to take charge.Klopp has been able to do this in Liverpool. Aubamiyang looks more skillfull than Firmimo ,but the latter is more daring which enabled him to get pass 3 Arsenal defender in row & score.If our passing ,ball holding ability and above all skilled shooting with powetr into the post can be perfected ,then we can win the league

Cd78

WTF – this is pathetic

jon

“We had enough players to win today”, Emery says.

I don’t know if I agree. West Ham won rather deservedly. With the exception of Mtkharian, Welbeck and Õzil, pretty much the whole first team was in action or on the bench. Today’s team represents the quality of Arsenal right now.

I think the self financing model is good, but bad contract management and some unfortunate signings under Wenger, has left a big need for investment, maybe to the tune of £200 million. If Arsenal intends to return to the top four in the premier league, the club will have to invest.

While I believe it could be possible to remain in the top, when you’ve got there, with the income only from operations, I don’t think you can lift yourself from a lower to a higher level without bringing in “fresh” money. And Arsenal is now lagging seriously behind.

Not even a group of genius owners and managers would be able to take for instance Tranmere Rovers from League two to the top of European football without capital infusion from the outside. Operational income could be enough to maintain the level, investment must be made to raise it.

Chippys chip
Chippys chip

Yeah put up or fuck off Kroenke

Tony Adams Nose
Tony Adams Nose

That was a very poor performance by Arsenal, the midfield we unable to get the ball to any of the forwards and West Ham just muscled us out of it.
we are now mid table fodder and laying like it.
Kozzy not ready.
Mutafi not good enough.
AMN is a winger not a right back.
Torreria is burning out and can’t start with no suitable back up.
Kolasniac not good enough.
And the biggest problem of all is Ozil. If his wages IS the reason we can’t bring in any new players in then it is ludicrous he’s not even on the fucking bench. Sort it.

Our recent good run of form was a false dawn.

PGunner
PGunner

From my vantage point (on my sofa) it looked like there were quite a few Arsenal players that didn’t deserve to play today. Not fucking good enough!

Willyp

Super super Jack

Stuey
Stuey

If Ozil was throwing a tantrum and refusing to sit on the bench… the club would be within their rights to fine him each week.
This is simply a case of the club wanting to get rid.
Ozil saying the right things and waiting for the big payoff.
The big losers are the fans who pay to see players like Ozil turn it on (rare, but fabulous when it happens).
We are years away from competing….getting rid of your most talented player won’t help us.

Monkey G
Monkey G

He is mediocre manager at best of times. At worst he is like today – little man without a clue. He will not get better. And Arsenal will suffer badly with Emery. Who will come and play for this man after mess in PSG and now Arsenal? Get rid of him asap. It can’t get any worse. Team is not playing for him because they do not believe in him. He managed to achieve in six months what took Jose 30 months. Get rid of slime. #EmeryOut.

Jack4343
Jack4343

Won 4 domestic trophies last year at that “mess in PSG”. Team not playing for him? The team that just went 22 games unbeaten? 4 game tough patch and you guys want to put his head on a meat hook ffs.

Monkey G
Monkey G

Monkey could win 4 domestic trophies with PSG.

Fatgooner
Fatgooner

I back Emery.

It looks like quite a few people on this website have forgotten just how poor Ozil could be, especially in tough physical away matches like today’s. The reason why Emery began dropping him was because our German friend had a habit of not turning up unless it was an easy home match against a lower-league side. Mesut also had a nasty habit of throwing a strop whenever he was subbed.

I strongly suspect that the Rubicon had been crossed by Ozil. He and the manager have probably had a massive dressing room bust-up and are now no longer talking. I’d be surprised if Ozil ever plays under Emery again. The best thing to do now would be to loan him out this transfer window and try to get some of his wages back.

I can’t believe the negativity towards Emery both here and on AFTV. He’s just walked into a club that has been horribly mismanaged for the last eight years. He’s stuck with a number of players who are not good enough and has no money to replace them. As I’ve said before, the real cause of our problehance of a top-four finish. Chelsea and United both have better squads, and have all the moms is on the other side of the Atlantic. We have an owner who with his wife is worth north of seven billion dollars, but who won’t put a penny into this club. Stan is only interested in what he can take out of Arsenal.

We have zero cmentum behind them. Just watch the crowds disappear when CL qualification is gone. The future looks gloomy.

Fatgooner
Fatgooner

Sorry for the typos

Deano

Now all hope is lost.

Irrational Gunner

Correct, Stan wouldn’t put any money into Arsenal, but he and his wife are worth way more than $7 billion!!

MateKiddleton
MateKiddleton

I like how we want “consistency from Ozil”, when nothing about our team is consistent. We don’t have a consistent formation. We don’t have consistent tactics. We don’t have a consistent team line-up. We don’t have a consistent back four, or five or three depending on the match/half. We don’t have a consistent midfield composition. We play players out of position every game, sometimes several in the same match. The only thing that’s consistent is guaranteed subs at half time cos the starting lineup is always wrong. And to top it off, we don’t even play Ozil, and we expect him to be consistent.

Vonnie
Vonnie

Wish I could thumb this up 100 times.

cygan'sbaldspot
cygan'sbaldspot

Stop being sexist.

Tapiwa
Tapiwa

The only thing that’s consistent is “Özil bashing” by the Press, so-called pundits (Carragher, Redknapp, Lineker 🙈) and the gullible Emery.

Deano

And several people on here.

Emery in Aubalaca wonderland
Emery in Aubalaca wonderland

And these people know a lot of football.

Longfellow
Longfellow

That is a very fucking good point

Fuhgedaboudit
Fuhgedaboudit

Bottom line. Ozil will never be a defensive type player, but one thing he does great is create chances on the pitch for the “scorers.” Qithiut him on the pitch, our defense still has major problems. At least with him on the pitch our chances and ability to score increases dramatically. When he is not on the pitch, the team offensively seems stale. Let’s get better defenders, and let Ozil use the skills he has.

Tapiwa
Tapiwa

The earlier we get rid of Emery the better for the Club! He doesn’t know what he is doing 🙈

Fuhgedaboudit
Fuhgedaboudit

I also think Emery ia also trying to make a statement with the way he handles our so called “stars.” Thus not starting Ozil or Ramsey every chance he gets.

Mr Arsenal
Mr Arsenal

The more Emery play Guendouzi the more I hate him. He’s just 19 and this Arsenal football club not Arsenal B or something like that. Give experienced player a chance to play and let the kids learn. First off Guendouzi is not better than Smith Rowe if it about playing young players and he’s definitely not better than Maitland Niles in midfield. This one of the problems we are facing, Guendouzi is not the answer to our midfield right now. It’s good to give him minutes but not to trust him with an entire 90 minutes. He will get that in 2 season time. Emery must admit that he lost the dressing room or give us his honest opinion on Ozil we tired of hearing his tactical decisions that don’t work out. #PlayOzil

santori
santori

I don’t see hunger in this team.

I see caution and fear.

Last 20 minutes we are one behind but we elect to carefully pass the ball back and forth.

We needed to go forward instead we were mollydawdling back to the keeper, short passes with ourselves as if possession wins you games.

It was a tepid performance to say the least.

I mentioned the issues we have do not stem from just Cbacks alone.

The team as a whole was lacklustre from the start.

The forwards (Auba in particular) were not sharp and conspired to waste chances when we should have establish our dominance over a less than confident West Ham rather than allow them to build momentum.

Midfield was an odd selection. Our best pairing is still Torreira/Granit no offense to the developing GUendouzi.

AMN I felt was too casual at times.

Auba could not keep the ball to safe his life losing it on numerous occasions.

Ramsey was poor. Juve where are you?

About the only player I felt was trying very hard was Lacazette, maybe Iwobi albeit not everything came off with him.

BUT that is the issue, we lack players who can take on opponents one on one.

The responsibility unfairly falls mainly on Iwobi.

We have had a need for players who can beat a man or two on their own for some seasons now and it has NOT been addressed by this much celebrated new transfer team of ours.

Instead we are a team that has to pass through the lines. When the opponents suffocate the passing channels, we struggle.

As I mentioned, we will be extremely foolish to feel we will get better options in market in the summer because there is absolutely NO guarantee we will make the top 4 pot so many use to deride Wenger for.

And we will then not be dining off the top top talents in the market rather we will have to pay premium for equivalent quality and you know all about us and paying the extra quid.

Some people are still dillusional blaming Mustafi and Cbacks. Our issues go beyond that. It goes right through the squad.

Redsy
Redsy

Hes another mourinhio sigh …loada bollox to be honest

Tapiwa
Tapiwa

Picks fights with players for no reason other than his own Big Ego!

Burleydave
Burleydave

Osil is a busted flush and has been for years. I have nothing other than utter contempt for him

George
George

Who’s Osil? Basil Brush’s European cousin?

santori
santori

Rumours still on loan for Suarez with permanent deal done in summer.

Hopefully this is true.

Unai needs to assert his position more now with half a season in charge.

The limits of the squad on hand is obvious and he is not going to be able to continue to conjure things up without added abilities both in midfield and Rwing never mind defense.

Wait till the summer to do this when we are out of top4, and we will be asking for it. We will be 3 seasons out of CL and will likely NOT be attracting top tier talent, never mind we have to spend the quid or two over premium for them.

Unai needs to make a strong case and IMO hold some of the power on decision making with regard transfers and loans because up till now, Mslintat and Sanheli have been less than convincing.

AJK
AJK

Emery has no idea what he is smoking..stubborn cookie.

Iceberg10
Iceberg10

Although we can’t know for sure if Ozil would have changed the result, it’s time the club acknowledged something needs to be sorted out between the two. The fact we can only bring players in on loan means we need every first teamer to contribute – that must surely include our highest paid player.

I AM ARSENAL
I AM ARSENAL

Neymar fucked us. Bastard.

Ealing
Ealing

By going to PSG and forcing Barca to splash on Coutinho, thus inflating prices.