Ornstein: Arsenal in talks over potential Mustafi exit

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The BBC’s David Ornstein says Arsenal are keen to offload Shkodran Mustafi this summer, either permanently or on loan, even though the player is eager to prove himself to Unai Emery.

The 27-year-old Germany international, who signed from Valencia in August 2016 for £35 million, is under contract at the Emirates until 2021.

It’s long been reported that the club would be open to the World Cup winner’s departure, however, his six-figure weekly pay packet has proved to be a stumbling block for potential suitors in the past.

AS Roma, AC Milan and Monaco have all been touted as possible destinations in the last couple of weeks.

 

Given the club will almost certainly see club captain Laurent Koscielny leave this summer, it’s interesting that we’re pushing hard for Mustafi, whose confidence appears to be in tatters, to leave. Presumably, given Sokratis and Calum Chambers are our only other fit centre-backs at the moment, we must have another target in mind.

Ornstein also says that Celtic’s Kieran Tierney remains a target despite the Gunners holding off from lodging a third bid for the Scotland international. Given the left-back is still recovering from injury, we’re obviously not in that much of a rush to get him to London Colney.

Arsenal are expected to complete the club-record signing of Nicolas Pepe in the next 24 hours.

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jbrusty
jbrusty

The guy didn’t deserve the boo’s on the weekend, but it can’t be denied how much of a liability he is

If we get anywhere near the £25m asking price for him, and invest that in a new CB then that is a massive win

If we get a new CB, and Tierney as well then we’ve had one of the best transfer windows in our history, and we WILL finish top 4

A Gorilla
A Gorilla

I was saying boo-urns

Savage
Savage

Can we really ask 25m for him? If he’s worth that, then why are we selling?

Tristian Beale
Tristian Beale

We’d be grateful if we could get 10mil I reckon

jbrusty
jbrusty

I do agree in some respects, but at the same time you see what other players are going for (Danny Ings £20m!, Tyrone Mings £26.5 with add-ons), and you might as well ask for £25m and see what happens

Anonymarse
Anonymarse

To be fair I think Tyrone Mings is better

truj
truj

Or Charles Mingus

Mr. Gordon. Phillips
Mr. Gordon. Phillips

Didn’t he play the saxophone?

Wilsheres Middle Finger
Wilsheres Middle Finger

But that’s including the standard £10-15m bump up for them being English. Unfortunatly, we can’t expect that for Mustafi.

PEEKMASTER
PEEKMASTER

Mustafi is homegrown so he should get a boosted transfer fee as a result. 25m£ sounds about right. Especially for the lower half of the PL.

Xxxrob
Xxxrob

Aim for the stars and you might hit the moon

Red-Wing
Red-Wing

In a world where Danny Ings who has barely kicked a ball in 2 years and had a horrible injury before that can be sold for 20m, then yes, we can ask for 25m for a WC winner who has been a regular starter for us.

Having said that, I would be more than happy to sell him for even 20m.

Roof_attack
Roof_attack

its never about what they are worth, its about what people are willing to pay.

Drew
Drew

He is a World Cup winner and a decent CB when he isn’t shot of confidence. In a different league he’ll be a good signing. I think £20m is about right in the current market.

CHIBS
CHIBS

Savage that’s a religious/virtuous compromised thought pattern.
If I can convince you to spend 50million to acquire my old shoes and without putting a gun to your head, then maybe you’ve got some brilliant idea for my old shoes and who/why am I to advice you otherwise . Business is business brother/sister

jon

The boos were embarrassing. Forget transfer fees and surrealistic salaries. He is a guy out there on the pitch, doing his very best. At this level, unfortunately, it’s not good enough.

Red-Wing
Red-Wing

Exactly. Boos and slating him 24/7 on social couldn’t have done him any good, and given the fact that he’s been almost granted to play week in week out due to different circumstances, we could really show him some support. The people at the club know he’s not good enough and we all know they’ve tried to get rid for him for quite some time now, the least we can do is show support to our players on the pitch.

Red-Wing
Red-Wing

*of him

Thierry Bergkamp
Thierry Bergkamp

Fuck support! Hopefully the boos will speed up that donkeys departure

N10
N10

Do you really think he’s doing his “very best”? OK….

assistantref
assistantref

Why would you think he isn’t? You think he is deliberately playing badly?

That’s just such a bizarre way to think about the world.

Evaristus
Evaristus

That’s how people were saying we had a good transfer window when we bought Mustafi and Xhaka..

Goonereality
Goonereality

But who on earth is going to pay remotely close to £25 million for him? Ask yourself this question: if he was playing for another club, and was putting in the performances he has for us since 2016, would we pay that for him now? No, not in a month of Sundays, would we. Then why would any other club pay that now? They see what we see.

Spanish Gooner
Spanish Gooner

Because his stats are actually remarkably good, and for 80% of a game he can be a good defender. I always think about how many managers tried to find the player inside Balotelli despite the fact he is clearly mental, and I’m sure there will be a coach somewhere that has enough self confidence to turn Mustafi into the decent defender his stats say he might be

A Different George
A Different George

I don’t think it’s at all impossible that he can yet be a top-class defender, even in England. Longer than most people, I even thought that it could be for Arsenal. I now believe the interconnected history of bad mistakes, fan hostility, and shattered confidence make that impossible.

goonerink

i think he would fit in well at everton, considering he was there before.

Naked Cygan
Naked Cygan

We have to pay someone £25m to take Mustafi. Nobody will pay for him!!

ArsenesLongSufferingZipper
ArsenesLongSufferingZipper

Trying to buy 4th place.

jbrusty
jbrusty

Pepe – 24
Saliba – 18
Tierney (if we can get him) – 22

This shows forward planning in investing in young talents, rather than just a one season push for top 4

Besides, if we continue the good business why can’t we aim for 3rd, seeing as we only finished two points off that position last year?

Thierry Bergkamp
Thierry Bergkamp

What if we get another Mustafi. Would it still be one of the best windows?

Jai
Jai

After this window I think we should evaluate things- Whilst Kroenke is never going to invest his own money into the club, he has never stopped Arsenal from spending what we make. I don’t think any true Arsenal fan wants the club to become state sponsored like City or PSG. Maybe having smart football men in charge of the club like Raul was what was needed all along?

Jai
Jai

Liverpool won the CL by being smart- they were worse than us just a few years ago. Their American owner doesn’t put his own money into the club- in fact, not many do other than the Arab owners and Roman (who has stopped now)

The way forward is being smart. Like Liverpool were with their signings and overall management.

thw14
thw14

Liverpool were smart but they were also willing to absorb losses on players and keep spending.

Like when they bought Joel Matip, decided he wasn’t good enough, and then went for van Dijk. Or the fact that they’re willing to look past the 40 million for Oxlade Chamberlain who’s barely contributed.

Smart is definitely required, but 30 million pound ‘mistakes’ are just a reality of this market. We need to take the hit on Mustafi and still be willing to spend big money on a new CB. I’m glad we’re inching in that direction.

Dave M
Dave M

I agree, though it might be time to stop inching and start striding towards those outcomes. 9 days left.

jon

Liverpool were smart in the transfer market, but Klopp’s aggressive “shock and awe”-football is just as big a factor in their success.

Tony Adams Nose
Tony Adams Nose

This season will be a defining season for Liverpool. Now every other club now know what they are going to get. We will see if they, Like City still pull it off at the lower clubs away on a winter Wednesday.
I watched Liverpool more than I wanted to last year due to the American owner and their east coast fan base and there were many, many games (including at home against us) they should not have won. This also includes the CL final. I was mortified by how close the spuds came to leveling that game and if they had…..it doesn’t bear thinking about. They were by far the better side. The Poo were long ball over the top all game and only got their second because the spud had to throw the kitchen sink at them and got caught out.
Both were lucky to be in the CL final and it showed with the worse final in history. It was like fat Sam’s Bolton (long ball) Vs. Everton (all puff and no goals).
If you want a role model team, look at city. They take good players and make them great just like we did in the 90’s.

We need to fix out defense, sort out our wings (the current default position) and get rid of dead wood. Mustafi, Mikki, Jenks, Nacho (just too old), to name but a few.

High gunner
High gunner

imagine if you had written that EXACT comment, say.. 5 weeks ago? haha

Jai
Jai

Would have been thrown into the gallows by the Arseblog faithful

Tapps

surely ‘thrown up to the gallows’……….. (a pedant)

Pooner
Pooner

My problem with him has never really been his lack investment, it was more his detachment and the drift that seemed to have set in within the club. If these early signs of improvement continue and we become a well-run club that maximises its resources rather than squandering them like we have recently, then I don’t think we can have many complaints. We’ll have to wait and see.

One thing that does seem to have become painfully clear already is how catastrophically bad Ivan Gazidis was.

CHIBS
CHIBS

Pooner, have you ever tried owning several multi billion dollar businesses in several continents at the same time ? The only thing you owe those businesses is to have competent administrators running them. Fortunately for them they can see any matches they want on TV (it’s an investment to them and I’m sure they’ll come when we get to the Champions league final), send out the best analysts for first hand feedback, fly Wenger to and fro to answer questions on one of their Private jets, call the entire group on Video etc . And not have to come pull an unsuccessful and temporary placatory stunt of coming to a game. When you own a large business you have to learn/perfect the art of Delegation and give the guys you send out some space to do their job. Over the past few We’ve been making ‘quality’ personnel signings (takes a process, hopefully we’re there/closer now) Logically it probably doesn’t get better than an ex Barca exec. Now that’s what a business owner would be concerned about .

Ps If you give me a downvote kindly mention Chibs and give your reason, I’m all about enlightenment and often miss glaring points. Live and Learn ✌️
. Unless it just doesn’t sit right with you and you can read long bullshit then that’s fine. Found out posts don’t disappear anymore even with 600+ of the bad boys 🙂

Mushy
Mushy

Sorry but it’s way too early to anoint Raul as a ‘smart football man’.

We have no idea who we are going to sign to replace the outgoing players, how they will perform, and whether we can reach top four.

Leave it till the end of the season.

Sir Henry Norris' Brown Envelope
Sir Henry Norris' Brown Envelope

We no longer see the financials, so I guess we don’t know the extent of Silent Stan’s loan account

Neil
Neil

To your Liverpool example, I believe that if you look at the record, you will see that that the LFC owners understood that *initially* an investment in the club was necessary. Since an initial outlay, they have been smart about marketing and commercial ventures such that they are now able to put profits back into the club.
Edit: they also put a lot of money into redeveloping parts of the stadium that have yielded quite a profit (they’ve been smart all-around)

OnAnyBlock
OnAnyBlock

Without attempting to jinx anything, I’m incredibly impressed by the club demonstrating a ruthless efficiency this window.
From the structuring of deals for our incomings to the acknowledgement that certain players simply have to be moved on.

Long may it continue!

Timsh
Timsh

We still have to move on Elneny and Jenks though.
Mustafi would be a great start, no doubt.

Scott P
Scott P

For me, since we’re not getting a new RB, Jenks can stay. He didn’t look terrible in preseason, and while he shouldn’t be near first choice, can still do a job there if AMN gets injured in early season or if AMN gets used in a different role.

Gutbukkit Deffrolla
Gutbukkit Deffrolla

…and as a goalkeeper he has never conceded a goal. I’d rate him higher than de Gea on their most recent form 😉

Ya gooner
Ya gooner

Elneny next season for me, we’re 2 injuries away from needing him to play plus he’d be a good senior player for europa.

Jim
Jim

Was a big fan of elneny a few seasons back. But last season done it for me. I like the guy and love his commitment, but he’s just lacking something. If those two injuries happen play Maitland Niles in the middle

Maul Person
Maul Person

That was surely more about him not being picked by Emery than him suddenly becoming a shit player?

Eduardo da Silva
Eduardo da Silva

It was real Mustafi but this is where we part ways. Thank you for your service. Go well and blessing upon you and your family.

Moral High Ground
Moral High Ground

Exactly. Thanks and genuinely good luck at your next club. One tip from Arsenal fans. When you analyse your performances with your next club and see yourself rashly sliding into tackles please try to decide to do it a bit less in future! Second tip would be perhaps accept a bit more responsibility if you do make a mistake. It might help you at your new club. Cheers.

goonermaybaj
goonermaybaj

Please, please somebody, anybody, make this happen!!!

JamesGodwinson
JamesGodwinson

LOL. I can’t actually believe someone is willing to pay 30 mil to sign our error prone Mustafi.

Come on Sanllehi! Come on Edu! Make it happen.

Sean
Sean

If Raul manages to oversee a summer transfer window where we get:

i. Pepe, the most coveted winger in world football right now
ii. Tierny, a LB who by all accounts is probably as good as Andy Robertson
iii. Saliba, a CB who is one for the future, but looks like he has all the tools to be a world-beater
iv. rid of Mustafi for ANYTHING > 20m
v. a new CB (I don’t care who he is as long as he’s 6ft+ & > Mustafi

Then, wow. Massive wow. Double WOW. I doff my cap to him. Best transfer window in recent memory.

historical truth
historical truth

+ add Ceballos and Martinelli to the mix

Cultured determination
Cultured determination

If he can pull this off while we’re playing europa, i’d be pleased and look forward to when we have CL to offer.

AmericanGooner
AmericanGooner

Serious question about something I don’t understand and would like to:

We keep hearing that there is no rush on Tierney because of his injury and because we are confident that we will get a deal over the line. But I don’t understand the benefit of waiting it out. I would think it gives another club an opportunity to swoop in. Why not just get the deal wrapped up as soon as possible? Of course waiting can be a negotiation tactic (pretend we are starting to look at target #2, etc.), but it seems like we are close enough to Celtic’s demand that no real, significant negotiation is needed at this point.

Am I missing something?

Jalex
Jalex

I’d assume other deals are more of a priority and we need to ensure those are definitely done first before spending limited cash on a player whose further down the To-Do list?

ach
ach

Imagine what saliba or any other defenders that we are interested in thought when they saw mustafi got booed when he subbed in. Just hope they don’t got turned off by our “fans”

Tim
Tim

Yeah Mustafi can be an abysmal player but to boo our own is just classless. Same awkward feeling I got when we booed Eboue off the pitch after he’d come on as a sub. For me, as long as the player hasn’t disrespected us (I’m looking at your Andre Santos) then when they’re on the pitch they deserve nothing but support.

Aren’t we Arsenal ‘supporters’? Isn’t our role to support the team?

BuckNasty
BuckNasty

A little bit over people calling out the ‘boos’ he received. Truth is if he wanted a fresh start, he’d have taken a pay cut and have gone to somewhere he could play better/recover. I think that’s where I’m frustrated with him about. Feels like he knows he’s not good enough but is determined to cash in

Peter Story Teller
Peter Story Teller

In his eyes it is always someone else at fault so what is he doing wrong? Why would he need to prove anything to anyone or move on?
Truth is highlighted by the goal at Emirates cup last weekend; While Mustafi was busy waving at the officials calling offside our makeshift right back was trying to cover the ground Mustafi wasn’t defending attempting to make a saving tackle!
World cup winner or not play to the whistle and do the job you are paid for!

Cultured determination
Cultured determination

I cant blame him, cos i myself aint gonna take no pay cut to move company.

EddieMcGoldrick
EddieMcGoldrick

It was frustrating to hear this summer that apparently we’ve been open to letting him go for the past 3 seasons and he has had ‘no interest’ in this – instead continuing to play and make his trademark ‘Mustakes’ to the detriment of the team.

As supporters of Arsenal, not Mustafi, I think we have a right to make our feelings known that we (as well as the club it seems) think it would be better if he moved on. If he chooses to stay knowing that – that’s his choice.

I appreciate the argument that you wouldn’t move companies for a pay cut but let’s say you’re not performing in your role, management wants you gone, so do the customers, I think a lot of people might try to find a better situation for themselves in another company even if it’s a bit less money (particularly if they know in their heart of hearts they’re probably being overpaid) rather than stay somewhere they’re not valued or wanted. I might actually question the character of someone who would rather choose the latter!

Gutbukkit Deffrolla
Gutbukkit Deffrolla

If I had a contract like footballers do I’d stay and earn, while hoping my bad patch would pass. Only idiots would try to move when they’re looking poor at their job and they only have a few short years left before they’re looking at retirement. Only a fool demands other people do what he would consider stupid if he was expected to do it. I don’t know where you do your supporting, but Mustafi lives and plays football in the real world.

Eddie McGoldrick
Eddie McGoldrick

I find it a bit deluded to call 3 seasons a bad ‘patch’.

He’s not good enough for us, he should know that after this length of time and look to move on for his own good.

Sticking around actually just makes him look worse to other teams as they know we want to shift him! It’s no secret to anyone that he’s not made the grade with us, he’d still be good enough for slightly lesser teams though and I’m sure some would be interested in him if the financials were right.

I think it’s questionable a person would be happy to stay somewhere beyond 3 seasons when they aren’t wanted there. That is a long time to not be ‘thriving’ and be okay with that. It gives the impression that they care more about money than their career and legacy. Is this the world you support football in then?

Donald's Trump
Donald's Trump

So what? You’re probably shit at your job but still stay their to get paid.

RICHARDS
RICHARDS

What possible good can booing a player do?

Gutbukkit Deffrolla
Gutbukkit Deffrolla

Especially when you consider that all football fans boo the players from other teams that they dislike. It’s a sign of derision and hate. Booing your own player is no better than beating your dog for not fetching you your slippers.

Gutbukkit Deffrolla
Gutbukkit Deffrolla

You don’t live in the real world with the rest of us, do you?

Bendtnerschristmastree
Bendtnerschristmastree

This week has been.. ehm, different.

mrufan
mrufan

add xhaka to the list, and we can get excited for the season

Ray Parlour's Left Teste
Ray Parlour's Left Teste

I would love to see the back of Mustafi as much as the next man but getting rid of him with ~10 days left in the window doesn’t leave much time at all to get even a semi-decent replacement in.

Chrispy
Chrispy

Anything that gets him out of the club, boos, petition. Then so be it. The worst defender since Stepanovs but that useless turd wasn’t on £100k+ plus a week. True liability.

Xhaka out next please, Raul.

Tristian Beale
Tristian Beale

Fingers crossed

bonnie hall
bonnie hall

HEH! Everything crossed.

George
George

Funnily enough, I’ve just been watching some re-runs of Happy Days.

goonero
goonero

Look Mr. Frodo! We’re almost there!

OnlyBeingHonest
OnlyBeingHonest

Has been treated awfully by the fan base, No player should be boo’d by his own “fans” however i do think its time to move him on, There saying we value him at 30 mil, Will be great business if we get that for him, Wish him all the best at his new club if it goes through

George
George

True, he shouldn’t have been booed at the game. I boo him at home all the time though.

And what was his most memorable moment from the Lyon game? Putting his hand up not once, but twice for offside when caught woefully out of position for their goal. Consistency at its finest.

RICHARDS
RICHARDS

How will your booing him help?

Gutbukkit Deffrolla
Gutbukkit Deffrolla

….especially when you do it at home (do your neighbours give you funny looks after you’ve watched Arsenal).

A Different George
A Different George

Did he not make a brilliant sliding tackle in the box? My guess is that you will say he needed to do that because of he was out of position.

Look, he makes terrible mistakes, and much too often. But attacking forwards break on our goal between our centre halfs when Mustafi is on the bench. It looks exactly the same to me.

Cultured determination
Cultured determination

Target or no target, he MUSTafi go. I’d give bielik a chance. The question is whether chambers is good enough, or do we sell him and get someone else in?

Twatsloch
Twatsloch

This is great news if it happens. I have no hatred towards him, he never struck me as a bad guy, but it hasn’t worked out and the best thing is if both parties move on. We get a bit of dosh towards improving the team, defence preferably, and he gets a fresh start somewhere else. I hope he lands well in France.

Don't hate me
Don't hate me

Selling him (and for anything like the money being talked about) would be best for all concerned. Rumours of a loan for Rugani make sense with Saliba en route next season, and (don’t hate me) I’d sign Gary Cahill to make up the numbers too – let Mavropanos go on loan. A loan and a freebie plus £25m+ in the bank probably gives us the cash to get Tierney deal done too. Simples.

Santori
Santori

Rugani I hear from Italy also makes mistakes

Shiny new things does not mean good solutions.

Potential young players do not represent immediate solutions.

This is the mistake too many amateurs make.

Add a Tierney at expense at quality to Cback will be an issue too.

Too many loans makes it difficult next summer.

There are things that need to be weighed and balance.

If we can’t find a good enough replacement, we may not let Mustafi go. The fact that we are listening to offers hopefully means we are looking for a Cback solution (Particularly with Koscielny also likely gone) Otherwise we are setting ourselves up for worse issues.

Some summers ago, the same simplistic voices that criticised Mustafi were doing the same to Flamini.

When he left, we did not get any better.

Even when he was in the team, many preferred to blame him and trumpet Coquelin but when Coquelin came back into the squad, we shipped 14 goals in 7 straight matches.

A Different George
A Different George

I know you claim you do not care about the comments and down votes, but perhaps you will just take a moment to consider this: is it really necessary to describe a difference of opinion as “a mistake too many amateurs make,” as if you were a professional football man? Aren’t we all “amateurs” here?

I often agree with the substance of some (certainly not all) of your points. But like many others, I find the tone condescending and unnecessary. Why continue?

Crash Fistfight
Crash Fistfight

Ah, a return to the classics.

Rich
Rich

i posted yesterday I could see a ruthless squad culling on the horizon, with Ozil, Mustafi and Kolasinac at the very top of that list.

Josh Kroenke in his recent interview, talked about moving players out who weren’t going to be part of this journey, and he also told us to be excited.

Pepe and Ceballos seem to have energised the fan base, up next will be a ruthless squad culling.

Emery worked Ozil out within weeks, Kolasinac+Mustafi are part of Ozil’s clique.

If Emery wants to win the battle of the dressing room? He needs to move on players who challenge his authority and his way of doing things.

Over to you Raul.

A Different George
A Different George

I have no idea why you think Ozil has a clique that includes Mustafi. They are both German, of course, and won the World Cup, but I have never seen them linked otherwise. Perhaps you know something you would share with the rest of us?

Santori
Santori

Unlikely.

Ozil will be hard to move and is a more useful player than many give him credit. Whether he can sustain performance has been the issue but clearly he has talents we are lucky to have.

Kolasinac, his defending needs work in a back 4 but he’s good enough back 3 and if you don’t realise, a lot of our assists and good work comes from left side because of him.

The ones we need to cull are Elneny and Jenkinson. They are absolutely useless in a bloated squad. Willock replaces Elneny already and Jenkinson is a great fan but an average player only there bc of injury issues to Bellerin and potentially AMN (Both miles better…in fact Mustafi is better than him at Rback)

OdalGooner
OdalGooner

A lot of our assists come from that side because we’ve been playing on that side a lot, and he makes a decent cross. I like him, make no mistake, but you’re misusing statistics here. Lots of our guys have been passing it to him because then at least something happens. We could do crosses with a winger, and have someone at the back who performed a lot better at the back. My take is that his many crosses have been relatively successful because for years, we’ve been all about passing and passing and looking for the opening. Suddenly we’re hoofing in crosses from the left, and everyone went “Wait.. what?.

A P
A P

So you want a cookie?

Bring back David Hillier

Hank Scorpio please just go…

Cultured determination
Cultured determination

Im impressed that we managed to snag s good loan deal from madrid and sign a bright cb prospect for big money. I’ll be very impressed if we manage to pull off the pepe deal, but ultimately, our best business this summer would be selling mustafi. Hands down.

Santori
Santori

Not if we do not add. It won’t.

Alex
Alex

“eager to prove himself” can be translated as “doesn’t want to earn less money elsewhere”

Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia
Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia

Oh Alex, a lot of people say this about Ozil, you know?

Neil
Neil

That’s unnecessarily cynical.

Goo-nerd
Goo-nerd

Controversial opinion: there is an amazing player somewhere inside Mustafi. He’s got a fantastic engine, great passing range, fantastic aerial ability, versatile across the backline, proactive getting in front of strikers and forcing interceptions.

His attitude and mentality have been his undoing. Somehow Wenger and Emery weren’t able to get through to him.

If his next manager can teach him to play to the whistle, stay on his feet, and stop blaming others, I wouldn’t be surprised if Mustafi becomes a top, top player.

It’s well past time for Mustafi to move on, but I wish him the best and hope he comes to his senses and makes the most of his obvious talent elsewhere.

Horizon
Horizon

Controversial opinion: It means fuck all, if he does not have at least a decent footballing brain.

Goo-nerd
Goo-nerd

Point taken, but at 27 he’s in his prime as a CB and has time to work on those glaring flaws.

You don’t have to have the genius of Messi to be a decent CB. You need to sort out your positioning and not make stupid errors. “Footballing brain” is more relevant to midfielders and attackers e.g. Walcott than a CB.

I would argue in the “footballing brain” department he has more than enough – he’s capable of reading the game and making great interceptions as well as making incisive passes that completely bypass the midfield.

Next coach will receive a World Cup-winning CB with fantastic ability, newly-humbled from not making the grade at a top side.

I’d be willing to take a punt on that.

Gutbukkit Deffrolla
Gutbukkit Deffrolla

…and Germany are famous for putting players with no footballing brain in their National teams from U-16 all the way up to the senior team.

Pakgooner
Pakgooner

His talent was always obvious, most Arsenal supporters knew there is a much better player inside, but his sudden collapses in focus during crucial moments were his downfall; the incessant blaming did not help him either. Because of the fact that people knew he has a lot more in him, he got the most flak.
I also wanted to add to your list of Mustafi’s qualities: for the life of me, I cannot remember the man ever being injured!

Santori
Santori

Heartening to see more people with fair and balance views.

Naturally frustration with the player made some say things that were completely bias against Mustafi.

He’s 27yrs so I don’t think Unai can work out the kinks in him.

He’s a good defender for the most parts but there’s always that concentration issue.

Even in pre-season, you can see he is better than Chambers playing the ball forward, has good aggression and foot skills to move the ball out.

Many times, he is the outlet for the backline to kick the ball long (particularly without Granit)

BUT he has those worrying moments of lapses in concentration and we simply don’t need that.

OTOH, we have to weigh his departure against IF we can get someone better in.

not ‘just anyone’ will do in lieu.

As we saw last season, he was called to fill in at Rback despite lack of pace bc Jenkinson was an even poorer option.

Some people prefer to imagine things like Mavropanos being good enough without empirical evidence over sufficient time.

This is my worry on Saliba who is being judged on stats over a narrow band width of just 19 games.

These are risk.

In absence of answers Mustafi would be a better choice.

So a Mustafi departure IMO must be balanced by an addition of sufficient quality to come in for the now (particularly as Koscielny will likely go to)

Neil
Neil

this is perhaps the most sensible post in this long and sometimes embarrassing thread

Moral High Ground
Moral High Ground

I dont understand why Mustafi has any supporters in the fan base. I keep hearing that 90% of the time he’s good. Or it wasn’t for the lapses in concentration he’d be a good defender. That’s the point about poor defenders. The lapses in concentration only happen now and again but if there are enough of them then they really count in assessing that player. It’s like saying if it wasn’t for the many sitters he missed he would be a prolific striker. He has to have been told many times (and literally watched himself on video) sliding in to silly tackles to no avail (or worse) for example. And yet he keeps doing it. Every game. At his age I feel the chances of him rectifying the many mistakes in his game are slim because they are so repetitive and predictable in nature. Also he appears to be unable to forge any understanding with his fellow defenders and clearly saps their confidence. If a top 4 rival bought him I would be pretty sure they are getting a poor player, not some poor misunderstood WC winner who had a false start with us!

Moral High Ground
Moral High Ground

Being error prone and injury free is actually a big problem if you think about it. It would be better for us if he did pick up the odd niggle! Booing your own player is a bit rubbish, agreed. But minimising sudden collapses in crucial moments is exactly what top level sports is all about! To excuse it is to be really generous.

hustle6
hustle6

I feel like arseblog has never had more of an influence on the arsenal fan base and on a player than with the Mustafi situation.

Blogs drew a line in the sand about mustafi (rightly so) early into his first season and I honestly feel it was an opinion that was taken up by most. (e.g. propensity for brain-farts and to go to the ground, blaming others and also “bottling” situations).

Most arsenal internetters, influences, podders, bloggers etc resonated this argument and it became Arsenal twitter meme content and eventually then filtered it’s way into mainstream media and eventually the match day crowds.

As someone who listens to pretty much all the free arsenal podcasts I genuinely felt a shift in opinion universally since arseblog’s damning (and accurate) assessment of Mustafi all those years back.

I mean he was even boo’d by families, tourists and children at the emirates cup (thanks a lot for that). You don’t even have to be a serious arsenal fan to know that Mustafi is the pantomime villain. To me this highlights that the ire projected on him is more from meme culture knowledge of him being bad not people actually appreciating that he is actually bad at football (which he is).

I genuinely think Andrew slowly engineered his demise through the use of social media influence.

We are the new media.

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It has to be noted we tried to sell him like every single window since he arrived and he was dropped ahead of the Europa league final due to some discipline issues -so it’s not just Andrew who sees Mustafi for the imbecile that he is (yes, imbecile).

So following all that, I would like to thank Andrew thoroughly for enacting immeasurable good for our club.

William Thomas
William Thomas

Too much Black Mirror for you mate

Santori
Santori

He has a point.

To some extent the player isn’t helping himself.

BUT there are plenty of over imagined faults that play into these narratives once they are generated because most people (with all due respects) are too gullible to think for themselves.

Mustafi had faults and blogs is right to pint them out but he also had positives. But the faults out weighed the positives IMO.

Yet the criticism from most quarters than became knee jerk rather than based on evidence.

Most times (including Blogs) focus was poured on Mustafi’s mistakes ignoring the fact that others were doing the same in the team. It also was blind to the positives.

He made an equal amount of good tackles to keep us ‘in the season” just as much as you can say he let in a goal that cost us the season but you could also say that of many other players including the popular Torreira.

The danger is we don’t get a balanced view and we fool ourselves into thinking Mustafi is the problem.

He is not the problem.

As I’ve mentioned before we shipped 3 goals against Wolves when many trumpeted the Koscielny-Sokratis partnership in a back 4. Again it repeated for the Europa finals (Torreira contributing to the fourth goal)

Against Lyon first goal, Mustafi was not on the pitch. Neither Chambers nor Sokratis picked up Mustafi. Now imagine if one of those was Mustafi, there would be the usual moans.

Late on in the game he slid in in the box to deny Dembele which could have been the third goal. These same people will complain he was reckless rather than appreciate a good piece of defending.

Now imagine if it was Sokratis they would be creaming themsleves about how he got stuck in.

See the problem?

Perception.

Too many people are sheep and follow rather than adopt a balance view.

Blogs is just trying to call an issue but he has to be careful because he is an influencer and it can have a very unbalanced opinion propogated from good intention.

Santori
Santori

Which is why I’ve always tried to highlight Mustafi issues.

not because I am a fan of his or bc I’m trying to defend him.

I just don’t see balance assessment here and instead dangerous blind criticism/ lazy scapegoating (like with Flamini) that detracts from the real problems in the squad.

Moral High Ground
Moral High Ground

Scapegoating does indeed happen at Arsenal and other clubs. However many reasonable fans think that Mustafi deserves the criticism and simply isn’t a good example. One of the other key points is that he has played enough games for us to assess him. Many others who have been roundly criticised haven’t. So the sample size is good. We have had a good hard look at Mustafi. He is really quite a nerve wracking player to watch and you can’t really win an argument by quoting a few isolated score lines when he was or wasn’t there. Bottom line. He has had enough games, roughly 30 league starts a season for 3 seasons and has been really poor quite often. It’s wrong to blame one player but the 3 seasons he has been a regular we have started missing out on CL places and he is for many a factor in that. Sorry.

Ordnance Dave
Ordnance Dave

If we sign a CB who can also play RB. This will be the 1st transfer window where I can sit back and say “That’ll do pig. That’ll do “

Rich
Rich

Umtiti first choice or Upamecano second choice apparently….

Umtiti only wants a CL club, but we’re going for it anyway.

Umtiti is best friends with Lacazette, over to you agent Lacca

Santori
Santori

Will be difficult but a slim possibility.

Raul has connections there to call in.

Umtiti has to content with Todibo, Lenglet and Pique. They prob need four Cbacks (Vermaelen getting on, as Pique) but if price is good for them, they should be able to find a good enough replacement to develop.

But Umtiti won’t be cheap. Prob upwards of 35-40m

Alternative of course is another loan to free up money for Tierney.

BUT that may be too many loans and we’ve already pushed the can down the road a little too much IMO.

All these seemingly good deals on Pepe and Saliba, Cebello need to be paid for or revisited next summer and may weigh on that transfer window (particularly IF we don’t make top 4)

Umtiti would be a great addition though. He’s still only 25yrs. If he comes in, we should be able to lose both chambers and Mustafi and promote Bielik into the 4 at Cback.

A Different George
A Different George

Vermaelen has apparently gone to play in Japan. I cannot imagine that Barca would sell Umtiti unless they have a fouth centre half who is better,

onenil
onenil

How about we give him to Celtic as a make-weight for Tierney? We would have to keep paying 1/2 his wages but it would be worth it.

Santori
Santori

How about they don’t want him?

Comedian
Comedian

Give Krystian Bielik a chance. Would like to see him as a back up to Sokratis and Chambers or as a part of back 5, till Holding recovers.

Santori
Santori

Bielik will only get a look in if BOTH Chambers and Sokratis are sold.

But that would entail we need to get in a HIGH quality Cback prob with the rest of the transfer kitty instead of dissipating effort and trying to fit Tierney as well this summer.

Goonereality
Goonereality

He is hopeless, let’s just admit it. We wasted £35 million on him in 2016 (what could we do with that money now?). When he’s playing, I bet 95% of Gooners are hoping, praying, that he won’t make a stupid mistake – which for a player of his supposed experience (and cost) is totally unacceptable. If we can persuade the likes of AS Roma, AC Milan and Monaco to take him, even on loan, all the better – but let’s not get too carried away with that prospect.

Merlin's Panini
Merlin's Panini

The booing was really inappropriate. It’s not his fault he’s not up to scratch for us. I think we’ve seen Mustafi enough times now to know he just can’t learn the things that would make him a really good centre back, despite his physical abilities.
I don’t think any player deserves to be booed unless they really obviously don’t give a shit and act like an arsehole.
We should want our players to improve and booing them will only dent their confidence. I know if they read online comments it can’t always help either but then they’re not directly subjected to them.
Having said that, I think it is beyond him to improve, at least with us.
He needs to find a new club for his own good.

If we get what we are asking for him and are able to redistribute that to bring in a new centre back it’s a win/win for everyone (despite Mustafi saying he wants to stay).

Horizon
Horizon

These “fans” with their Stockholm syndrome.. Look, if he wasn’t such an asshole about himself – through social media, blaming his own teammates, consistent schoolboy errors just to name a few.. fans would probably not booed him when he’s on the pitch. He has done that himself.

Santori
Santori

Why is he an asshole?

I don’t think he has blamed his teammates.

He has always been there for us. He is also not the only one to make mistakes or have lapses in concentration.

First Lyon goal, who was picking up Dembele? Sokratis? Chambers? There were four red shirts in the box to Dembele.

Koscielny-Sokratis partnership let in 3 goals against Wolves and four against Chelsea in Europa finals (One of which was a Torreira mistake)

Torreira himself responsible for at least 4 goals over Xmas (which is why Xhaka started) from give aways or being fleeced in critical areas.

I think you need to check your head.

Moral High Ground
Moral High Ground

Several questionable points there. Its hard to base an argument on any player by picking out a few isolated score lines when they were there or not there. Its a team game and that logic doesn’t stack up. Also 2 of the players you quote as also making mistakes were in their first season with us. Mustafi has been with us for 3 seasons and has probably got worse each season. And worryingly his mistakes have been really repetitive in nature. Big big difference in sample size between 1 and 3 seasons anyway plus we all know it takes players a while to adjust to English football. Thirdly Torreira indeed faded badly in the season and physically suffered but he did have some sparkling performances in the first half. I have no idea when Mustafi really played well for us in comparison. Did I overlook a bunch of MOTM performances or is it fair to say there are very few offsetting really good games from him in his 90 odd league starts?

gooner80
gooner80

maybe worth that kind of fee in the italian league as it’s a lot slower.. may turn out rather good there.. good luck to him!

A Different George
A Different George

Do you think Mustafi’s problem is his lack of pace? He is surely much quicker than Sokratis, Chambers, Holding, or (now) Koscielny.

gooner80
gooner80

no it’s his reading of the game, if he has more time to make a decision it may just improve that side of his game.

Geefive
Geefive

2…….25……£25m??????????? Lucky if we get 2.5m

Geefive
Geefive

[email protected]#$ing phones…posted in wrong place. Sorry.

Forest gooner
Forest gooner

We will not forget that header against Spurs!

Southpaw74
Southpaw74

Sooner the better please

Southpaw74
Southpaw74

Oh and take Xhaka with ya aswell please,,

Ilari
Ilari

If someone thinks that Xhaka is a terrible player, s/he doesn’t know anything about football, period.

George
George

Dunno. At times last season, Xhaka was hot garbage. He needs to be much more consistent and cut out the stupid mistakes.

Dan Nichols
Dan Nichols

Arsenal has always been very harsh to those who didn’t measure up. John Sammels, Gus Caeser, Eboue all had their confidence slowly destroyed by a large section of the crowd getting on their back. to a large extent howls of frustration played their part in the careers of the likes of Walcott, Fabianski and Denilson too. not one of these footballers was a bad human being and most proved at some point they were decent players too, just not at that time in the role they were being asked of at arsenal. i do think we are worse for this than most but i believe we hope deeper and love our players longer than many too. I think it is really about off field factors , ie “cant those who manage the club see what we see”, but I wish Mustafi well, as long as we shift him!

Santori
Santori

Class.Well said.

Too many people have Mustafi on the microscope and pick out his faults only.

They don’t mention the sliding tackle he did against Dembele bearing in on goal which had it been Sokratis would not have been deem reckless instead wanked upon.

He’s not the best defender old Mustafi by any stretch of the imagination but he did some good things as well.

Most of the transition going forward from backline (the ball out from defense) came from him. This is the sort of statistic some prefer not to trumpet and would highlight on say a Saliba instead.

Its all selective by too many who then feed into a common erroneous narrative without balance.

And the danger in that is it gets carried away (like Flamini criticism) these same people can’t see the woods from the trees and the main problems underlying us still there.

This is a problem with people. They are too lazy to think for themselves prefer to jump on band wagons.

Good to see a number of people on today with fair and balanced criticism instead. This is what this site needs.

Goonereality
Goonereality

Gus Caesar certainly had the dubious honour of being generally regarded as one of the worst central defenders we had for many decades. The difference with him and the others mentioned and Mustafi is that Mustafi cost a staggering £35 million and, according to The Daily Mirror article today, is paid a “six-figure (weekly) salary.” This has been reported previously at around £150,000 a week. He was, and remains, a monumental waste of money – more so at a time when we’re scabbling around with loan deals, loan backs, extended repayments because we’ve so little cash available! He won’t go, of course, he’s not daft. Like you, I wish he would though – like yesterday!

Dan nichols
Dan nichols

Gus Caeser proved a poor player but he looked good when he first made the team, who knows what the spotlight did, certainly he was more in the sanogo category than all the others who were very decent players, Theo, Sammels and Fabianski for example, they just werent what we wanted or hoped so we turned on them.

Tony Hall
Tony Hall

We shouldn’t boo any of our players, we are better than that …

N10
N10

Burnt offerings and promises of next born child to the gods…

Arsenala Vista Baby
Arsenala Vista Baby

Considering Koscielny & Holding situation, Mustafi can stay as a squad player while he needs to work on his weaknesses. Chambers or Monreal or any other better defender from our academy should be regular CB along with Sokratis until Mustafi sorted his inconsistencies.

Goonereality
Goonereality

I’m surprised (to say the least) at your suggestion that Mustafi should “…stay as a squad player while he needs to work on his weaknesses.” He joined us in 2016, for goodness sake. How long does it take an “experienced” and certainly expensive player to address his weaknesses – which surely shouldn’t be that great in the first place? No, he should – in an ideal world – be sold without delay. The problem is that he almost certainly won’t be because the combination of average (at best) performance and high wages (read: overpaid) is a real transfer killer, if there ever was one. At the bitter end of this saga, Mustafi will prove to be one of the worst deals Arsenal (Wenger, actually) ever made.

Santori
Santori

As I mentioned pre-summer, it will likely be between Chambers and Mustafi.

Dependent on who gets the better offer and in case of Chambers if he is content with staying on as a third or fourth pick working his way into contention.

There’s no guarantee its Mustafi going as well but if a club is OK with his salary, that would be the main issue.

If we get 15-20m, we should move him.

Contingent that we bring someone in at Cback, not a LBack which would not strengthen us.

There is also a chance we may lose BOTH Chambers and Mustafi but that will depend

a) On the quality of Cback we can get in
b) If as mention Chambers also gets a good offer and does not want to stay.

In which case there may be extra money for Tierney.

Ashish Mann
Ashish Mann

Yass!!

Santori
Santori

If there is interest, sell.

We need to make about 20-25m

Not sure how much Mustafi fetches maybe anywhere guestimate 14-20m good enough to release IMO.

Again, I don’t think he is as bad as many people prefer to make him out to be but clearly he should not be first choice.

He plays the ball well forward but has concentration lapses which is not what we need.

BUT he isn’t the end to our problems. As some would prefer not to recall…we slipped to poor form even without him and shipped 3 goals to Wolves with Koscielny-Sokratis (and again in finals against Chelsea with 4 goals same partnership)

Against Lyon, Mustafi wasn’t in the box when the first goal went in amidst confusion between Sokratis and Chambers.

So yes good move to get rid of him hopefully make some dosh but not if we don’t add a top player at CBack.

That MUST be priority now with Pepe likely coming in (winger) and Cebellos rented (CM)

I think the Tierney deal is unlikely and dependent on only IF the Cback coming in is again a loan.

If we have 40m budget base rate plus 20-25m on player sales to make 60-65m, we have likely spent 20-25m on Cebellos (4m), Pepe (14m) and Saliba (7m)

Thus remainder of money in kitty needs to be concentrated and spent on quality at Cback.

George
George

If my mousewheel wears out, you owe me a new one.

Sir Henry Norris' Brown Envelope
Sir Henry Norris' Brown Envelope

I bet this guy flourishes in a different league, like Italy, just not at The Arsenal, in our league with our set up, high line and defensive frailties.
I hope he goes, and good luck to him, I’m sure he will get game time.

Ozilrightfoot
Ozilrightfoot

Finally a proper winger we have. No more no.10 on wings please.

Rectum Spectrum
Rectum Spectrum

one of the great hopes of this summer window is getting rid of this dick. and yes I say dick. almost every single time he fucked up he would make a big deal of remonstrating with a team mate. he was a total shit. just completely out of his depth most of the time.

NeilBamford
NeilBamford

I’m still absolutely dumbfounded as to why we are buying midfielders/wingers and selling centre backs when our defence is shot to pieces. No point having a quality attack if our defence isn’t up to the same standard.

I get that Mustafi has made mistakes, I get that Kocsielny wants to leave, but we should be coming up with the good for 2 or 3 quality defenders.